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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
May 12 2011 09:48 GMT
#441
Well, ZvZ is always the least satisfy MU in BW, but still it require alot of micro and timing sense, but definately no fun to watch.
On to Mind's game, go go go go !!!!
Terran
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
May 12 2011 09:49 GMT
#442
Did the stream just gg??

Aw GTR.... Let's see your awesome stream micro.
WWJDD??
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
May 12 2011 09:49 GMT
#443
i honestly don't understand how can a pro lose SO easily with 12h against 12pool it makes a slight difference if calm didn't build spire at all but still...
Enjoy the game
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
May 12 2011 09:49 GMT
#444
Stop picking on Zero, he misjudged what Calm was doing and died because of it, ZvZ is volatile like that, there was no great fail in this. 1 mistake.
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
May 12 2011 09:50 GMT
#445
On May 12 2011 18:48 Caphe wrote:
Well, ZvZ is always the least satisfy MU in BW, but still it require alot of micro and timing sense, but definately no fun to watch.
On to Mind's game, go go go go !!!!


did you read Shark's guide to watching ZvZ?

also did GTR's stream die or it's me?
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 12 2011 09:50 GMT
#446
Have you noticed GTR only crashes or lags before and after games and rarely during?
I swear he does it on purpose.
Jaedong :3
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 12 2011 09:50 GMT
#447
On May 12 2011 18:50 HeaDStrong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 18:48 Caphe wrote:
Well, ZvZ is always the least satisfy MU in BW, but still it require alot of micro and timing sense, but definately no fun to watch.
On to Mind's game, go go go go !!!!


did you read Shark's guide to watching ZvZ?

also did GTR's stream die or it's me?

Showing as offline now.
whiterabb1t
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium681 Posts
May 12 2011 09:50 GMT
#448
Poll: [C: Mind vs Hydra] Who will win?

Mind (88)
 
60%

Hydra (59)
 
40%

147 total votes

Your vote: [C: Mind vs Hydra] Who will win?

(Vote): Mind
(Vote): Hydra




Poll: [C: Mind vs Hydra] Who do you wnt to win?

Mind (91)
 
62%

Hydra (55)
 
38%

146 total votes

Your vote: [C: Mind vs Hydra] Who do you wnt to win?

(Vote): Mind
(Vote): Hydra


WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
May 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#449
Zero would have been fine if he didn't move out and get all his lings killed. That's what lost him the game.
WWJDD??
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
May 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#450
On May 12 2011 18:50 HeaDStrong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 18:48 Caphe wrote:
Well, ZvZ is always the least satisfy MU in BW, but still it require alot of micro and timing sense, but definately no fun to watch.
On to Mind's game, go go go go !!!!


did you read Shark's guide to watching ZvZ?

also did GTR's stream die or it's me?

yeah, GTR's stream just die
Terran
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
May 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#451
Man, I can't get enough of this rewind, just so awesome!!!
Terran
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
May 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#452
On May 12 2011 18:49 hellbound wrote:
Stop picking on Zero, he misjudged what Calm was doing and died because of it, ZvZ is volatile like that, there was no great fail in this. 1 mistake.


he had 3 idle drones (not sure for how long) and lost some lings for free too. these things add up in ZvZ!
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
May 12 2011 09:52 GMT
#453
On May 12 2011 18:49 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
i honestly don't understand how can a pro lose SO easily with 12h against 12pool it makes a slight difference if calm didn't build spire at all but still...


Calm just understands the matchup very well. He knew that with 12h vs 12p, he would have less gas and later Spire. Therefore, he knew the 12h player would likely try to capitalize on that advantage, get spire ASAP, and pressure with lings to stall until that advantage materializes. The choice to mass lings was a very risky one, but it paid off quite well.

Zero got too greedy, because he was ahead and STILL chose to be greedy in making more drones WITHOUT making a sunken. But even with a Sunken it might've been hard to hold, but he could've potentially minimized losses to stall till Mutas.
TranslatorBaa!
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
May 12 2011 09:52 GMT
#454
On May 12 2011 18:49 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
i honestly don't understand how can a pro lose SO easily with 12h against 12pool it makes a slight difference if calm didn't build spire at all but still...


calm tricked zero into thinking he was droning, did u see calm had 3 drones in his main? even if calm did 12 pool, he still expanded so zero didn't think calm would all in (w/ an expansion) since that's extremely rare at that point in the game.
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
May 12 2011 09:52 GMT
#455
GTR...but thanks for the stream.
Learn,live and love it.
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
May 12 2011 09:53 GMT
#456
I want to watch that game again and look exactly where ZerO's overlords are and how much did he see what Calm build... just curious how he misjudged the game in such a way...
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 12 2011 09:54 GMT
#457
On May 12 2011 18:52 hmmm... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 18:49 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
i honestly don't understand how can a pro lose SO easily with 12h against 12pool it makes a slight difference if calm didn't build spire at all but still...


calm tricked zero into thinking he was droning, did u see calm had 3 drones in his main? even if calm did 12 pool, he still expanded so zero didn't think calm would all in (w/ an expansion) since that's extremely rare at that point in the game.

oh hi Brain Zerg
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
May 12 2011 09:54 GMT
#458
On May 12 2011 18:52 hmmm... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 18:49 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
i honestly don't understand how can a pro lose SO easily with 12h against 12pool it makes a slight difference if calm didn't build spire at all but still...


calm tricked zero into thinking he was droning, did u see calm had 3 drones in his main? even if calm did 12 pool, he still expanded so zero didn't think calm would all in (w/ an expansion) since that's extremely rare at that point in the game.


That's a sneaky little bastard if I ever saw one.
WWJDD??
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
May 12 2011 09:55 GMT
#459
On May 12 2011 18:52 hmmm... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 18:49 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
i honestly don't understand how can a pro lose SO easily with 12h against 12pool it makes a slight difference if calm didn't build spire at all but still...


calm tricked zero into thinking he was droning, did u see calm had 3 drones in his main? even if calm did 12 pool, he still expanded so zero didn't think calm would all in (w/ an expansion) since that's extremely rare at that point in the game.

That's actually extremely smart. Thanks for the explanation !
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
May 12 2011 09:55 GMT
#460
On May 12 2011 18:53 HeaDStrong wrote:
I want to watch that game again and look exactly where ZerO's overlords are and how much did he see what Calm build... just curious how he misjudged the game in such a way...

Pretty much what I was thinking. Would the overlord not normally be over the main to check the spire timing / ling count?
Bankai - Correlation does not imply causation
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