• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 19:54
CET 01:54
KST 09:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)8Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns6[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1822Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3
StarCraft 2
General
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) WardiTV Winter Cup WardiTV Mondays SC2 AI Tournament 2026 OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution
Brood War
General
Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I would like to say something about StarCraft BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Mechabellum Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Psychological Factors That D…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2414 users

[MSL] Ro4 Day 2 - Page 58

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 56 57 58 59 60 63 Next
GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
February 12 2011 09:59 GMT
#1141
I'm just happy that after the endless repetitions of the same FvJ finals, we finally got a season where neither of them made it to a finals...
Brood War is alive and well.
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
February 12 2011 10:00 GMT
#1142
to be honest I didn't care much. ZvZvZvzzzzzz
Its grack
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50602 Posts
February 12 2011 10:01 GMT
#1143
On February 12 2011 18:59 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 18:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 12 2011 18:56 gongryong wrote:
On February 12 2011 18:54 supersoft wrote:
Now that jeadongs dominance as Zerg in BW is over, he will probably switch to sc2 like all the other former champions...


After he gets his 7th Gold!
2 more for the road!
I STILL BELIEVE


Does this mean you ain't leaving?

I NOW OFFICIALLY MISS FVJ FINALS!!!

People are saying this after two amazing ZvZ series. (Great vs Zero is amazing because Zero is in it)


I had huge expectations for that series...but I only got 1 hive tech ZvZ.

hopefully the finals will have at least 3 hive tech ZvZs.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
February 12 2011 10:01 GMT
#1144
On February 12 2011 18:58 OpticalShot wrote:
I'd say the ZvZ's in the semis really lived up to the hype. Super-intense. Now just hoping the finals will be just as good!
No, the final will just become an one-sided ZvZ rapefest.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
February 12 2011 10:01 GMT
#1145
A season without JD and Flash winning starleagues. Nice.
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
February 12 2011 10:02 GMT
#1146
On February 12 2011 18:58 _Quasar_ wrote:
Well, it was clear that we're seeing the #2 zerg and the pretendent for #1 zerg's spot. No shame for the Dong that he lost, but he played kind of... worse than he can.

Anyone else thinks that he could do more with his first muta+ling attack? Because any BO has at least one advantage against any of other BOs, and that's the idea that granted JD so ridiculous dominance in ZvZ earlier (p.e.: 12 hatch is ahead of 9 pool in economy, so if enemy wastes (or you make him waste) some precious seconds - he will fall behind (watch Jaedong vs Zerg on Aztec the ones who don't know about this game)).

So - 12 pool is ahead of 12 hatch in muta timing, so you can use your timing advantage to the fullest, and you must do so. But JD flew away in that timing - and since this, time was working only against him.

Still, I think despite being JD's fan myself this was a great series. Both series of 1/2 MSL went actually as we expected them to be (one - mindfucking and hi-tech strats, second - insane micro and skill). And that's good.


yeah, why did he leave hydras main. the lings were doing damage and could have used them simultaneously to draw fire from mutas while he micro his own

GOD THIS IS AWEFUL
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7817 Posts
February 12 2011 10:02 GMT
#1147
I definetly don't see Hydra as an extension of Effort.. because I actually like Hydra... lol.

That said I can't wait to watch these games
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 10:04:52
February 12 2011 10:03 GMT
#1148
LOL some Jinro in that finals commercial, I honestly think that JD should have committed a bit more multitask to that attack in Game 5, killing the gas drones at the nat delays the scourges more than the minerals for the mutas; it forces Hydra to split his mutas to deal with lings at both the nat and main, giving JD more time to hit the mutas back and/or kill the mineral-mining drones too. We all know how big a difference two lings left to molest drones can be in a ZvZ.
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 10:16:27
February 12 2011 10:03 GMT
#1149
On February 12 2011 18:56 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 18:54 supersoft wrote:
Now that jeadongs dominance as Zerg in BW is over, he will probably switch to sc2 like all the other former champions...

are you high? losing a semi is not OVER.
When jaedong loses he plays better. He lost the ever and won the nate.
He lost to baby then made the finals.
He lost 3-0, then lost 3-2. MSL

YEAH! Jaedong!!! don't be upset, u can make it, he is still the best in all matchups,, not like some one legged master
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
February 12 2011 10:04 GMT
#1150
I actually think the amount of hype that can be drawn from this will be substantial. Only thing I could have really said about Jaedong winning was "he's getting his mojo back and he'll get the Golden Badge, tie NaDa in medal count, blah blah blah".

Actually that sounds pretty damn good in itself, but it's what we've been saying for the past two MSLs.

Hydra's pretty sick.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
February 12 2011 10:05 GMT
#1151
On February 12 2011 18:56 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 18:53 letian wrote:
Oh, and now let Hydra be happy, I'm sure he'll win this MSL, but he will never be the best Zerg in the world, and he will never win 3 MSL and 2 OSL's and he willl NEVER be 3-4 years in top3 KESPA,so fuck it, let it be, it will be nice if he struggles for a year, just like Calm. Jd youre still the best, don't be upset!


I think JD's career has peaked and his skill has too, I dont think he is as good anymore, his skill is much worse, his multitasking is worse and so is his micro and macro. He's been winning BoXs in SLs using mind games and aggressive play, but I'm not sure how long he can keep it up, I just don't feel he is as sharp anymore, oh well, I dont mind him losing out of the MSL, after he gave us the most epic PvZ series ever.


Jaedong stomping everyone else on pure mechanics hasn't happened since 2008. He gained much experience and grew stronger overall as a player, but I always feel like his peak was way back then when he was simply that much better than anyone else mechanics and multitasking-wise.

I'm not sure whether his mechanics has dropped all that much. It's pretty much relative, I think. Hydra's mutalisk micro was out of this world, all the more impressive given the fact that it was against Jaedong.
TL+ Member
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 12 2011 10:05 GMT
#1152
Jaedong while not in his peak will continue to make semi finals because he is still better and more consistent then other players , but if he wants to do better against the other S - class players he needs to step up his game .
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 10:07:32
February 12 2011 10:06 GMT
#1153
On February 12 2011 19:02 gongryong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 18:58 _Quasar_ wrote:
Well, it was clear that we're seeing the #2 zerg and the pretendent for #1 zerg's spot. No shame for the Dong that he lost, but he played kind of... worse than he can.

Anyone else thinks that he could do more with his first muta+ling attack? Because any BO has at least one advantage against any of other BOs, and that's the idea that granted JD so ridiculous dominance in ZvZ earlier (p.e.: 12 hatch is ahead of 9 pool in economy, so if enemy wastes (or you make him waste) some precious seconds - he will fall behind (watch Jaedong vs Zerg on Aztec the ones who don't know about this game)).

So - 12 pool is ahead of 12 hatch in muta timing, so you can use your timing advantage to the fullest, and you must do so. But JD flew away in that timing - and since this, time was working only against him.

Still, I think despite being JD's fan myself this was a great series. Both series of 1/2 MSL went actually as we expected them to be (one - mindfucking and hi-tech strats, second - insane micro and skill). And that's good.


yeah, why did he leave hydras main. the lings were doing damage and could have used them simultaneously to draw fire from mutas while he micro his own

GOD THIS IS AWEFUL

So, basically, JD shows slumping in one thing he didn't before - in his (in)ability anymore to win matches from a BO disadvantage. He used to be able to. But now he loses 9 pool vs 12 pool and 12 pool vs 12 hatch to Hydra without showing signs that he could win, and without doing the right things that are needed to win in that case.

That's sad.

Still don't "bury" Jaedong yet - Boxer had a comeback, Nada too, and Jaedong can have it as well ^_^
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
February 12 2011 10:06 GMT
#1154
On February 12 2011 18:56 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 18:53 letian wrote:
Oh, and now let Hydra be happy, I'm sure he'll win this MSL, but he will never be the best Zerg in the world, and he will never win 3 MSL and 2 OSL's and he willl NEVER be 3-4 years in top3 KESPA,so fuck it, let it be, it will be nice if he struggles for a year, just like Calm. Jd youre still the best, don't be upset!


I think JD's career has peaked and his skill has too, I dont think he is as good anymore, his skill is much worse, his multitasking is worse and so is his micro and macro. He's been winning BoXs in SLs using mind games and aggressive play, but I'm not sure how long he can keep it up, I just don't feel he is as sharp anymore, oh well, I dont mind him losing out of the MSL, after he gave us the most epic PvZ series ever.

I agree with you, it all started long long ago, when he started losing games even before Flash, then OSL and MSL losses, and then, I just realised that he's getting old, he is a veteran right now, he is the champion, but the champion that just waits for an successor. But no matter how he plays, he will be the best for me among zergs, for a long time
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50602 Posts
February 12 2011 10:06 GMT
#1155
On February 12 2011 19:04 flamewheel wrote:
I actually think the amount of hype that can be drawn from this will be substantial. Only thing I could have really said about Jaedong winning was "he's getting his mojo back and he'll get the Golden Badge, tie NaDa in medal count, blah blah blah".

Actually that sounds pretty damn good in itself, but it's what we've been saying for the past two MSLs.

Hydra's pretty sick.


so Hydra winning gives you some good written material for the finals preview. :D
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
February 12 2011 10:14 GMT
#1156
Wasn't able to watch, but i couldnt resist looking at the scores
LOL
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7817 Posts
February 12 2011 10:16 GMT
#1157
People are def overreacting to JD losing this series and looking shakey vs Snow. Guy is a sick hero/champion and will be back next season
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
February 12 2011 10:19 GMT
#1158
wow hydra!!!!!!!!!! im so happy for him. hopefully he can go for the gold
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
February 12 2011 10:22 GMT
#1159
So depressing that Jaedong loses in his best matchup, with his best matchup set for the final vs. a first time finalist, and loses his chance at a golden badge.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
February 12 2011 10:24 GMT
#1160
noooooooo jaedong wtf. well, i guess this is hydra's season.
Brood War loyalist
Prev 1 56 57 58 59 60 63 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
20:00
S21 Non-Korean Championship
LiquipediaDiscussion
AI Arena Tournament
20:00
Swiss - Round 1
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 394
WinterStarcraft0
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 689
NaDa 22
Counter-Strike
summit1g8452
fl0m5486
minikerr26
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox666
Mew2King37
Other Games
tarik_tv5292
FrodaN4928
B2W.Neo499
ToD161
KnowMe152
ViBE60
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick53448
BasetradeTV22
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 141
• Hupsaiya 61
• davetesta50
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 41
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22827
• WagamamaTV204
League of Legends
• Doublelift7715
Other Games
• imaqtpie2166
• Scarra123
• tFFMrPink 6
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
12h 6m
ByuN vs Percival
Percival vs Rogue
Percival vs Classic
ByuN vs Classic
ByuN vs Rogue
Classic vs Rogue
IPSL
19h 6m
DragOn vs Sziky
Replay Cast
1d 8h
Wardi Open
1d 11h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 16h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
All Star Teams
6 days
INnoVation vs soO
sOs vs Scarlett
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-10
Big Gabe Cup #3
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Nations Cup 2026
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.