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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
February 12 2011 09:50 GMT
#1081
On February 12 2011 18:48 Kenpachi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [I was right] +
On February 10 2011 13:51 Kenpachi wrote:
can anyone explain to me how Hydra could possibly lose? Clearly he has the stronger mentality, better ZvZ, stronger gameplay, solid mechanics, incredible Muta micro, and the power of Efforts.

Jaedong? well, he played significantly less ZvZs, has a knack for slacking recently, not the god of ZvZ anymore and his Bo5 record was destroy in 2010.

Hydra 3-0 yo.



On February 10 2011 14:03 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 13:58 blue001 wrote:
Kenpachi you haven't proved any of the points you made. Stronger mentality? Jaedong always fights for his life like vs Snow. Better ZvZ? Jaedong's ultimate record shows he has Bo5 experience and ZvZ experience that is backed by his micro.. Also Jaedong annihilated Effort... So.. If he has the power of effort he'll probably fall like effort too. Hydra's recent ZvZ records could be a one-time win streak thing which is going to be ended by Jaedong, he doesn't have a good ZvZ history to show consistency like Jaedong

Stronger Mentality - Destroys everyone. Annihilates with the CJ face without even blinking. (Bisu Jaedong Calm are just a few examples)
Jaedong even admitted he wasnt playing top tier vs Snow. Jaedong probably only takes it seriously vs the likes of Stork, Bisu and Flash.
Who else is good enough to take down Jaedong in a Bo5? Hydra
Recent ZvZ shows Hydra will be more prepared.
Power of Effort in a specialty unit.
Explain to me why Hydra's 1 time streak isnt coming to an end any time soon?



On February 10 2011 14:05 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 14:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
JvZ.

'Nuff said.

No Flash, No Problem. 3-0.

JVZ IS NO MORE
HVZ
HVZ
HVZ!!!!!!



On February 11 2011 10:41 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 10:14 Lightwip wrote:
GO JAEDONG GO! You are not mortal as all the haters say, you are GOD TIER. Show these two zergs who the true overmind is.
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu is more awesome though. And more skilled.

If Hydra > Bisu > Jaedong, then Hydra > Jaedong.



On February 11 2011 14:16 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 13:16 BisuDagger wrote:
On February 10 2011 14:03 Kenpachi wrote:
On February 10 2011 13:58 blue001 wrote:
Kenpachi you haven't proved any of the points you made. Stronger mentality? Jaedong always fights for his life like vs Snow. Better ZvZ? Jaedong's ultimate record shows he has Bo5 experience and ZvZ experience that is backed by his micro.. Also Jaedong annihilated Effort... So.. If he has the power of effort he'll probably fall like effort too. Hydra's recent ZvZ records could be a one-time win streak thing which is going to be ended by Jaedong, he doesn't have a good ZvZ history to show consistency like Jaedong

Stronger Mentality - Destroys everyone. Annihilates with the CJ face without even blinking. (Bisu Jaedong Calm are just a few examples)
Jaedong even admitted he wasnt playing top tier vs Snow. Jaedong probably only takes it seriously vs the likes of Stork, Bisu and Flash.
Who else is good enough to take down Jaedong in a Bo5? Hydra
Recent ZvZ shows Hydra will be more prepared.
Power of Effort in a specialty unit.
Explain to me why Hydra's 1 time streak isnt coming to an end any time soon?



Let's disprove you one at a time.
Stronger Mentality: Jaedong has come back again and again to the Ro4 and finals consistently even after being defeated by the god flash. He has no record of a slump. He has the better ZvZ elo. And he never takes a win for granted. Every interview he tell them he will train harder and win better.

Jaedong admitted he wasn't playing to tier to snow: So this means when JD does play top tier its gonna be something fierce. Because he played pretty damn well against a flawless playing snow.

Who else is good enough to take JD down? After defending JD, I will admit who can actually beat him. KT Flash. has consistently beat him in the Bo5 last year. and I doubt Hydra is in the same league as Flash.

Recent ZvZ shows hydra will be more prepared: ....What?!? JD has the most experience in this match up. He defeated Fake Yellow in the finals a couple years back. He's more then prepared and more experienced.

Power of Effort in a specialty unit: That makes no sense. So Im going to assume you mean he's alien to. Which is unlikely.

Explain to me why Hydra's 1 time streak isnt coming to an end any time soon?:
.
..
...
JvZ...that is all


Stronger Mentality- DO YOU EVEN WATCH THEM PLAY? Jaedong has been shaky as fuck while hydra just stomps people down. Other than his series vs Snow ..

I was just saying that Jaedong's Bo5 Record was tainted and probably stopped working after Flash took him down so many times.

Recent ZvZ. How many ZvZs did they both play since Early December?

Effort was well known for ling control.

JvZ doesnt exist anymore. its done. now its normal ZvZ because Jaedong cant dominate from a BO disadvantage anymore.



:D IN YOUR FACE PEOPLE :D


I BELIEVED IN YOU!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
radialis
Profile Joined November 2010
726 Posts
February 12 2011 09:50 GMT
#1082
On February 12 2011 18:49 Zona wrote:
It's not Avalon all over again because once Hydra wins this gold, he'll still keep performing and will prove that he's worthy.

Not revert to some mediocre zerg who is slightly better than average.

how do you be mediocre but at the same time be better than average?
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
February 12 2011 09:50 GMT
#1083
so who's gonna be watching next week?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Jeremy Reimer
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1059 Posts
February 12 2011 09:50 GMT
#1084
Well, JD, you came pretty damn close. I still believe in you.

JvZ will return!
"Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere." -- Carl Sagan
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
February 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#1085
One of the best Bo5 ZvZ ever? In terms of suspense of course
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
February 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#1086
Damn you Hydra!
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
February 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#1087
I've got the feeling that the finals can only disappoint after this.
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
February 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#1088
On February 12 2011 18:50 ssregi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 18:47 Keidy wrote:
On February 12 2011 18:44 ssregi- wrote:
Ok i'm done with BW


Same, It was great, but everything must come to and end.

Bye!

Ok but u mean an end



goodbye BW
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
February 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#1089
On February 12 2011 18:50 ssregi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 18:47 Keidy wrote:
On February 12 2011 18:44 ssregi- wrote:
Ok i'm done with BW


Same, It was great, but everything must come to and end.

Bye!

Ok but u mean an end


Didn't everyone say this after one game before? Flash vs Ssak?
웅진 멘쓰즈
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
February 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#1090
On February 12 2011 18:48 Doraemon wrote:
MBC chiefs won't be happy

Perhaps. But Samsung is a very well supported team and Hydra seems to have many fans.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
February 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#1091
That what had to be expected happened. JD was not the favorite for this. Not because he slumps but because Hydra is insanely good.

It was no fluke and no luck, Hydra is just an awesome player.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#1092
On February 12 2011 18:45 GTR wrote:
[image loading]

[image loading]

Hells yes, playing the odds finally worked out! Good on ya Hydra, I was kind of rooting for you!
Remember Violet.
pinkranger15
Profile Joined June 2010
Philippines1597 Posts
February 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#1093
On February 12 2011 18:47 flamewheel wrote:
Also, updating ELO...

2302
2280

Wow.


so, how much ELO does hydra have after this game?
yoyo!
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
February 12 2011 09:51 GMT
#1094
On February 12 2011 18:49 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 18:44 raga4ka wrote:
For the first time since 2007 there is a better zerg playing BW then JD .

Uh, no.

He is totally unproven in ZvT.

62% against mid tier, but descent tvz'ers

Whats your point?
In the woods, there lurks..
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
February 12 2011 09:52 GMT
#1095
Great must create some hive tech ZvZ against Hydra.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 12 2011 09:52 GMT
#1096
On February 12 2011 18:50 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 18:48 Kenpachi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [I was right] +
On February 10 2011 13:51 Kenpachi wrote:
can anyone explain to me how Hydra could possibly lose? Clearly he has the stronger mentality, better ZvZ, stronger gameplay, solid mechanics, incredible Muta micro, and the power of Efforts.

Jaedong? well, he played significantly less ZvZs, has a knack for slacking recently, not the god of ZvZ anymore and his Bo5 record was destroy in 2010.

Hydra 3-0 yo.



On February 10 2011 14:03 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 13:58 blue001 wrote:
Kenpachi you haven't proved any of the points you made. Stronger mentality? Jaedong always fights for his life like vs Snow. Better ZvZ? Jaedong's ultimate record shows he has Bo5 experience and ZvZ experience that is backed by his micro.. Also Jaedong annihilated Effort... So.. If he has the power of effort he'll probably fall like effort too. Hydra's recent ZvZ records could be a one-time win streak thing which is going to be ended by Jaedong, he doesn't have a good ZvZ history to show consistency like Jaedong

Stronger Mentality - Destroys everyone. Annihilates with the CJ face without even blinking. (Bisu Jaedong Calm are just a few examples)
Jaedong even admitted he wasnt playing top tier vs Snow. Jaedong probably only takes it seriously vs the likes of Stork, Bisu and Flash.
Who else is good enough to take down Jaedong in a Bo5? Hydra
Recent ZvZ shows Hydra will be more prepared.
Power of Effort in a specialty unit.
Explain to me why Hydra's 1 time streak isnt coming to an end any time soon?



On February 10 2011 14:05 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 14:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
JvZ.

'Nuff said.

No Flash, No Problem. 3-0.

JVZ IS NO MORE
HVZ
HVZ
HVZ!!!!!!



On February 11 2011 10:41 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 10:14 Lightwip wrote:
GO JAEDONG GO! You are not mortal as all the haters say, you are GOD TIER. Show these two zergs who the true overmind is.
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu is more awesome though. And more skilled.

If Hydra > Bisu > Jaedong, then Hydra > Jaedong.



On February 11 2011 14:16 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 13:16 BisuDagger wrote:
On February 10 2011 14:03 Kenpachi wrote:
On February 10 2011 13:58 blue001 wrote:
Kenpachi you haven't proved any of the points you made. Stronger mentality? Jaedong always fights for his life like vs Snow. Better ZvZ? Jaedong's ultimate record shows he has Bo5 experience and ZvZ experience that is backed by his micro.. Also Jaedong annihilated Effort... So.. If he has the power of effort he'll probably fall like effort too. Hydra's recent ZvZ records could be a one-time win streak thing which is going to be ended by Jaedong, he doesn't have a good ZvZ history to show consistency like Jaedong

Stronger Mentality - Destroys everyone. Annihilates with the CJ face without even blinking. (Bisu Jaedong Calm are just a few examples)
Jaedong even admitted he wasnt playing top tier vs Snow. Jaedong probably only takes it seriously vs the likes of Stork, Bisu and Flash.
Who else is good enough to take down Jaedong in a Bo5? Hydra
Recent ZvZ shows Hydra will be more prepared.
Power of Effort in a specialty unit.
Explain to me why Hydra's 1 time streak isnt coming to an end any time soon?



Let's disprove you one at a time.
Stronger Mentality: Jaedong has come back again and again to the Ro4 and finals consistently even after being defeated by the god flash. He has no record of a slump. He has the better ZvZ elo. And he never takes a win for granted. Every interview he tell them he will train harder and win better.

Jaedong admitted he wasn't playing to tier to snow: So this means when JD does play top tier its gonna be something fierce. Because he played pretty damn well against a flawless playing snow.

Who else is good enough to take JD down? After defending JD, I will admit who can actually beat him. KT Flash. has consistently beat him in the Bo5 last year. and I doubt Hydra is in the same league as Flash.

Recent ZvZ shows hydra will be more prepared: ....What?!? JD has the most experience in this match up. He defeated Fake Yellow in the finals a couple years back. He's more then prepared and more experienced.

Power of Effort in a specialty unit: That makes no sense. So Im going to assume you mean he's alien to. Which is unlikely.

Explain to me why Hydra's 1 time streak isnt coming to an end any time soon?:
.
..
...
JvZ...that is all


Stronger Mentality- DO YOU EVEN WATCH THEM PLAY? Jaedong has been shaky as fuck while hydra just stomps people down. Other than his series vs Snow ..

I was just saying that Jaedong's Bo5 Record was tainted and probably stopped working after Flash took him down so many times.

Recent ZvZ. How many ZvZs did they both play since Early December?

Effort was well known for ling control.

JvZ doesnt exist anymore. its done. now its normal ZvZ because Jaedong cant dominate from a BO disadvantage anymore.



:D IN YOUR FACE PEOPLE :D


I BELIEVED IN YOU!

HIGH FIVE!
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
February 12 2011 09:52 GMT
#1097
On February 12 2011 18:49 Goragoth wrote:
Yay, another month where Flash gets to coast at #1 PR even though he isn't in any league (I mean seriously, the only thing that would get him knocked would have been Jaedong winning the MSL). FML. Hydra, you better keep this up and actually dominate hard and not go into huge slumps the way EffOrt did.
What the hell is wrong with you?
Leave Flash out of this.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
February 12 2011 09:52 GMT
#1098
There is a new dong in town.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
February 12 2011 09:52 GMT
#1099
NADA
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
February 12 2011 09:52 GMT
#1100
FUCK. REALLY.

ok i'll sleep now. someone wake me up for the real MSL RO4 later
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
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