Three reavers are fuckin strong o_O

also I think Stork spread his goons a little to minimize splash damage, while Jaehoon sorta fucked up his positioning in his attack

Quarz

448 Posts

January 16 2011 05:19 GMT

#243

Maybe the drone deparation of Jeahoon was too bad, so that Stork could catch up.

GoTuNk!

Chile4591 Posts

January 16 2011 05:19 GMT

#244

if stork loses the world will implode

pylonsalad

Canada649 Posts

January 16 2011 05:20 GMT

#245

OK I'm confused, how did stork win after losing half his probes? Did Jaehoon cut probes the whole game or something?

nbaker

United States1341 Posts

January 16 2011 05:20 GMT

#246

Thank goodness, I don't think I could handle a night where my two favorite teams get AKed by Frozen and Jaehoon.

TylzOner

Peru12 Posts

January 16 2011 05:20 GMT

#247

i just dont know how stork won . well stork is stork..! waiting for stork AK :D

QuickStriker

United States3694 Posts

January 16 2011 05:20 GMT

#248

I don't even know what just happened on that game but IT DOESN'T MATTER! SONG BYUNG GOO!!!!

REVERSE ALL KILL INCOMING BABY!

emperorchampion

Canada9496 Posts

January 16 2011 05:20 GMT

#249

+ Show Spoiler [mbc spoiler] +

LOL someone angered the Starcraft gods... Jaehoon with a 3 kill and Frozean with a 3 kill. wtf is going on?

Severian

Australia2052 Posts

January 16 2011 05:20 GMT

#250

Jaehoon had barely any Probes at his nat, whereas Stork's was fairly saturated. I'm not sure if that was because he didn't build enough or transfer enough, though.

Womwomwom

5930 Posts

January 16 2011 05:20 GMT

#251

On January 16 2011 14:20 pylonsalad wrote:
OK I'm confused, how did stork win after losing half his probes? Did Jaehoon cut probes the whole game or something?

His natural seemed to suggest he had like less than 10 probes mining at it. Not sure though, was watching STX vs Stars.

kdong90

United States281 Posts

January 16 2011 05:20 GMT

#252

On January 16 2011 14:20 pylonsalad wrote:
OK I'm confused, how did stork win after losing half his probes? Did Jaehoon cut probes the whole game or something?

Either Jaehoon is that bad or stork is that good, didn't get to see the first part of the game

MinoMino

Norway1103 Posts

January 16 2011 05:21 GMT

#253

Hahaha, that was too close of a Jaehoon all-kill. Too bad though, that would've made my day.

Marl

United States694 Posts

January 16 2011 05:21 GMT

#254

Thank god for Stork, I think I'd have to stop watching BW if both Jaehoon and Frozean all killed on the same day.

Spica

United States5582 Posts

January 16 2011 05:21 GMT

#255

It seems that it all came down to that battle at Stork's nat where Stork had 1 more reaver than Jaehoon, had the better shuttle micro, had better goon positioning, whereas Jaehoon seemed to get a little too full of himself and let his 2 reavers get sniped by Stork's reavers. That's what it looked like to me. With all of his forces decimated by Stork's remaining reaver and leftover goons, Jaehoon was forced to GG after Stork decided to push out with his leftover goons and march into Jaehoon's undefended nat.

Musoeun

United States4324 Posts

January 16 2011 05:21 GMT

#256

I admit I was watching in the small screen, but I though Stork managed to squeeze in a two-reaver drop that wrecked Jaehoon's main probes. And I know in the big battle at Stork's nat Stork was +1 reaver (3 vs 2).

So... not the most careful attention, but I didn't think Stork was that far behind in the midgame, then he won the big battle (barely), pushed in with better econ to support his attack, and won.

Or I could have imagined Stork's drop, I guess.

psion0011

Canada720 Posts

January 16 2011 05:23 GMT

#257

On January 16 2011 14:21 Musoeun wrote:
I admit I was watching in the small screen, but I though Stork managed to squeeze in a two-reaver drop that wrecked Jaehoon's main probes. And I know in the big battle at Stork's nat Stork was +1 reaver (3 vs 2).

So... not the most careful attention, but I didn't think Stork was that far behind in the midgame, then he won the big battle (barely), pushed in with better econ to support his attack, and won.

Or I could have imagined Stork's drop, I guess.

He did drop, and the observer checked both reavers afterwards. He killed 3 probes total during that drop.

infinity2k9

United Kingdom2397 Posts

January 16 2011 05:23 GMT

#258

On January 16 2011 14:11 ArvickHero wrote:

Show nested quote +

On January 16 2011 14:06 infinity2k9 wrote:

On January 16 2011 13:51 ArvickHero wrote:

On January 16 2011 13:42 Musoeun wrote:

On January 16 2011 13:38 infinity2k9 wrote:
Have i missed something how did PvZ suddenly swing in P's favour recently. The maps are not even particularly good... this greedy playstyle every Z tries to do never works now. I only caught the end of the Great game but it looks like he was attempting the 4base turtle on 2 mains strat, which i've seen lose ALL THE TIME, it does not work stop fucking doing it!

Short answer: protoss have finally stopped skimping on the corsairs.
Long answer: I don't actually know, the short answer is just one of my pet peeves, I'm so happy that most protoss are finally making more than 2. Jangbi used to lose PvZ like that all the time: 2 corsair -> scourged -> fail DT -> epic storms that just don't dent a massively ahead zerg army. (Of course, now PvZ is all he's good at, so w/e).

I'd say its the change in the fundamental strategy of PvZ. Before, it was 4 Gate 2 Archon, which was powerful, but hit at too late of a timing (in today's timings at least) and was susceptible to Hydra busts. With 4 Gate 2 Archon, you didn't really have the money to spare for the 6 sairs.

Now that the fundamental strat of PvZ is the 2 Gate +1 Speedlot rush, it hits at a faster timing (which sometimes ends up killing zergs outright if they don't have enough defense up in time) and it gets the 6 sairs (because it is necessary for defense agianst Muta openings).

Also a lot of weird offbeat strats are being invented in PvZ, like the ones Jaehoon is using.

I'm just surprised Zergs have not changed up play already. Just in the past few weeks it's clear going for fast 4base doesn't work against any decent opponent even with a good simcity. I think they need to go back to basics and good old fashion aggressive ZvP (not hydra busts though). Muta's are being made to look as bad as trying to use wraiths against P in recent games except the odd really bad P player. They should take the normal 3rd for a change instead of another nat so they can reinforce quicker and put an end to these easy early-mid game wins for P.

3 Base Hydra/Lurker/Muta is risky as hell though, the most successful game of this recently I'd say was Action vs Bisu, but that's only because Bisu was sloppy with his early sairs and totally completely lost all air-control. In the crucial battle, if Bisu didn't get his HT sniped he would've steamrolled through Action.

4 Base turtle works, its just that progamers are getting TOO greedy w/ the strategy and attempt to cut way too many corners (that smart protosses abuse)

Yeah you might be right there, i remember one particular game i believe Roro vs Bisu where i was basically shouting at Roro on IRC to sunk up some more... it might not have even made him survive but it was clear a push was coming... they seem to be so intent on being greedy they won't just go and build the static defence required to protect themselves. I think Flash has shown you can infact go heavy on the static defence and still win games... of course that's different because you're losing a drone too, but a heavy sunk line with evos in front is worth the mins imo if it gets you to 4 bases quickly... meanwhile get the mutas out for a bit of harass and 3rd denial.

It's getting to be a pathetic sight Z's trying to hold speedlot busts off with slow hydras or like 3 mutas and 2 sunks.

CCa1ss1e

Canada3231 Posts

January 16 2011 05:23 GMT

#259

reverse all kill for stork?