EPT[SWL] SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster - Page 122
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:16 MuffinDude wrote: I say bisu played poorly. He didn't properly scout what flash was doing. Instead of taking his 6th, he should of pumped more units. In fact, I don't really know if he should of taken his 5th. Having expo is great, but you need units to defend the expo, which is what bisu neglected to do. I think its a fundamental mistake that bisu made. I agree with your assessment on why he lost the game, as you and others have said he needed to build gates + cannons at 9 instead of taking 9 nat // 11. But really Bisu's play up to that one error was very good. Even during the push I thought both Bisu and Flash played beautifully. Flash just had too many units. | ||
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okum
France5777 Posts
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:15 letian wrote: Yes agree about overexpanding, this could be the reason too, but still what was so good about his harass, how many units did he kill actually??? 8 scv's ??? he did keep Flash worried about his bases, but this is not enough when you go for a reaver drop or whatever you are trying to drop in there If it was BeSt with those amount of bases, that delay would have been enough to go into his patented anti-terran-macro-onslaught, and not even Flash can hold that off. Of course, BeSt wouldn't have had the chops to delay Flash with just needling his defense in many different places all the time and forcing him back. Bisu is great at the elegance and management strengths of Protoss, which makes him so deadly in PvZ, but he doesn't have the late-game brute force that the great PvT monsters have - his play-style is just very different. Considering Flash's (superb) defense in the game, Bisu managed to do the maximum damage without over-extending himself, up until his greedy late-game which opened him up for a timing push. If Bisu could have held Flash back just a little longer, his lack of (well, compared to Stork and BeSt at least) late game PvT strength wouldn't have mattered. His game-plan was great, his performance near perfect. But Flash is the best TvP player of all time by a large margin. A perfect game doesn't guarantee a win against him. | ||
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shadymmj
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
Oh and having the best player on earth in shape in the only league he's still participating in can only be good for the game too. I was frustrated while reading the Fanta vs Flash report but all in all having Fantasy all-killed KT wouldn't have been as epic as this. | ||
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maximuspita
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 I want tears! ;D | ||
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
Bisu started the game completely in control and the whole game was going to his rhythm. He was harassing, containing, and expanding and never let Flash settle. His plan here is very similar to his game vs Mind on Tornado. Keep Terran pinned while expanding and then recall to delay/ slow T push enough to just let his expansions blow up and take such a lead the other guy might as well call GG. He can even kill the opponent with just recalls after a while with 20+ gates operational. On Icarus you cannot really split your forces defending your nat + 3rd as Terran as it has to be very widespread because of the terrain and if a recall went off in the main he could use that window to break that front easily. Flash was prepared though with vigilant vessels and turrets/mines. Flash just hit the perfect timing while canceling out recalls and getting clutch EMPs and even then it was very close. Great play from both. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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okum
France5777 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:35 PoP wrote: Despite T1 losing (obviously a bad thing), 122 frigging pages, a nice set of games plus a huge packed crowd (from the little I would watch) are all excellent news. Oh and having the best player on earth in shape in the only league he's still participating in can only be good for the game too. I was frustrated while reading the Fanta vs Flash report but all in all having Fantasy all-killed KT wouldn't have been as epic as this. Once it got to game seven, either outcome would have been equally epic. WL FTW  Also, agree completely with Noxide's post above. Well said. | ||
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kwkwookw
218 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:40 Noxide wrote: Bisu's build, game plan and execution that game was top class and it would have guaranteed beat any terran in that situation, but Flash has the best vP right now not just because of his macro, but also his sense of timing in this matchup and EMP usage which saved him. Bisu started the game completely in control and the whole game was going to his rhythm. He was harassing, containing, and expanding and never let Flash settle. His plan here is very similar to his game vs Mind on Tornado. Keep Terran pinned while expanding and then recall to delay/ slow T push enough to just let his expansions blow up and take such a lead the other guy might as well call GG. He can even kill the opponent with just recalls after a while with 20+ gates operational. On Icarus you cannot really split your forces defending your nat + 3rd as Terran as it has to be very widespread because of the terrain and if a recall went off in the main he could use that window to break that front easily. Flash was prepared though with vigilant vessels and turrets/mines. Flash just hit the perfect timing while canceling out recalls and getting clutch EMPs and even then it was very close. Great play from both. great reflection. :D | ||
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yoonyoon
Korea (South)1065 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:29 yoonyoon wrote: Found sets 1 and 5 for the SKT v KT game on daum, posting links Set 1 + Show Spoiler + Best v Stats Set 5 part 1 Set 5 part 2 + Show Spoiler + Fantasy v Flash =] The uploader doesn't seem to be posting the others though, so I guess we'll have to wait for moktira for the others. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
Fantasy : He is a top tactician but not a good strategist. In a battle situation he micros well and always strike at the weakest position of the enemy line. The problem is that he's weak when it comes to strategic decision : which base should I attack ? where should I put my army ? where's he gonna strike ? He can win most battles with smaller army but he just loses it in the grand scheme of things. Ssak : This guy is the opposite of Fantasy : a good strategist since he knows exactly where to drop and where to defend, but his unit control - tactic is bad so he lost army and die. Bisu : Bisu is bad at mind game. Many of his losses are due to him failing to read his opponents and so he made stupid decisions that cost him the games. His strong point is his pre-game plan which most of the time put the opponent to a bad situation. Flash is good at both strategy and tactics, and his mind game / decision making is good too, that's why he won against players who are strong at one aspect and weak at another. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:17 Black Gun wrote: when flash pushes out in tvp, you better shit your pants. his pushes are so damn scary.... but im disappointed in bisu. i expected something more spectacular, something with more feel to it. this whole game seemed dull and kinda "helpless" from bisus side. overall, it was probably fantasy who lost the series for skt. he had a 2 base advantage over flash and controlled 75% of the map, in a tvt. without that crucial fail attack while simultaneously losing 2 expoes at once to drops, he could have rolled flash soooo easily... well, gz godyoungho, u still are the best player in the world. 2 base advantage in TvF means it's about an even game, he will always find some way. | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3689 Posts
 5AM WAS worth it, if not for the first games, but for the experience with you guys | ||
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
On January 08 2011 17:44 bITt.mAN wrote: 122 pages, that was a pretty fucking epic for my 2nd LR experience 5AM WAS worth it, if not for the first games, but for the experience with you guys 8:46 am here | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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