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Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 08:15:25
January 08 2011 08:14 GMT
#2401
EDIT: wrong thread
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 08 2011 08:15 GMT
#2402
I'm so fucking deaaaaaaaaaaad. 9AM here, and I don't want to wake up past 12AM. Oh my... headache pretty much.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
January 08 2011 08:15 GMT
#2403
On January 08 2011 17:12 revy wrote:
I don't understand how people are saying bad things about how Bisu played that game. His opening was beautiful. His late expo ran him up the tech tree while simultaneously denying Flash the benefits of his fast expand. Following that he harassed around with reavers which covered him as he setup a third. His play up to midgame was utterly sublime.

I believe what cost him the game was he over-expanded. If Flash is staying on 3 bases for that long you can be assured he's going to have a push from hell coming. Bisu's response was to addon more expos when he needed more army.

this.

there was no need to take 9 natural so quick, he could have saved the money spent on nexus + pylon + cannons at the natural for more gateways, so that he could have done a sandwich-type of attack with units from main and from 9.

also, the recall was kinda too late, should have saved for stats.

also, needs gateway at expansions for DTs to kill tanks (which flash always does - splitting tanks to multiple-harass several expansions)
POGGERS
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
January 08 2011 08:15 GMT
#2404
On January 08 2011 17:12 Lightwip wrote:
Well, I suppose I must go to sleep while being mildly irritated.
Not that I didn't expect something like this, something annoying always happens in SKT vs KT.


I've got a few hours to let in sink in Like you I kinda expected it, but I was holding out hope that Bisu would cheese. He really just doesn't have the PvT chops to take on Flash in that sort of mood in a straight up game. Bisu's harass was good, but Flash was just too solid defensively.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 08 2011 08:15 GMT
#2405
On January 08 2011 17:13 Ciryandor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 17:10 Holgerius wrote:
I'm a little sad that Stats actually won a game, an all-kill would've been so sweet.

If Stats didn't take out BeSt, Flash would have had to face a PvT specialist, then an excellent TvTer, and possibly two snipers. At least he neutralized SKT's best shot at taking Flash out.

There isn't a doubt in my mind that Flash would've rolled Best today.

Flash will rape in WL this season. It has begun.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
January 08 2011 08:15 GMT
#2406
On January 08 2011 17:12 revy wrote:
I don't understand how people are saying bad things about how Bisu played that game. His opening was beautiful. His late expo ran him up the tech tree while simultaneously denying Flash the benefits of his fast expand. Following that he harassed around with reavers which covered him as he setup a third. His play up to midgame was utterly sublime.

I believe what cost him the game was he over-expanded. If Flash is staying on 3 bases for that long you can be assured he's going to have a push from hell coming. Bisu's response was to addon more expos when he needed more army.

Yes agree about overexpanding, this could be the reason too, but still what was so good about his harass, how many units did he kill actually??? 8 scv's ??? he did keep Flash worried about his bases, but this is not enough when you go for a reaver drop or whatever you are trying to drop in there
Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 08:17:34
January 08 2011 08:15 GMT
#2407
On January 08 2011 17:13 bITt.mAN wrote:
Damm KTFlash

Here's a PM I sent to Craton thanking him for the awesome coverage of, well, everything. Like now he's streaming MSL (Snow just went 2star)

Show nested quote +
Hey dude, I woke up at 5AM this morning, for the first time in my life, to watch SKT v KT, my second LR experience ever, and you made it fucking AWESOME!

Dude, I'd just like to say thanks a lot for streaming such high quality (o hai Konadora) and GOOD content. Though I could tend to find your taste in [s]music[s/] KPooP less than orgasmatastic, the fact that you always had fun VoD's to watch, of pressing, recent games, that you had silliness on the side and we absolutely GOSU at switching between different events, while never truly sidelining any of them (SKT KT > Fox Hite ANYDAY!).

Just thanks so much for the great service you have wrought us

~bITt.mAN


Swamp him with thanks guys, he deserves it!


Wait, don't you mean you're-welcomes? ;D

Never mind, going to bed... :I
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
kwkwookw
Profile Joined August 2010
218 Posts
January 08 2011 08:16 GMT
#2408
On January 08 2011 17:13 darklordjac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 17:11 kwkwookw wrote:
seriously, the psychological impact skt is going to receive from this.....lol

although both fantasy and flash had 3 wins, fantasy had 3 wins against noobs while flash had 3 wins against decent-good players



You consider Ssak a decent-good player??


i think he's decent, not good.
did he play as bad as action or tempest, both who played against fantasy, today? i don't think so.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
January 08 2011 08:16 GMT
#2409
On January 08 2011 17:14 kwkwookw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 17:12 revy wrote:
I don't understand how people are saying bad things about how Bisu played that game. His opening was beautiful. His late expo ran him up the tech tree while simultaneously denying Flash the benefits of his fast expand. Following that he harassed around with reavers which covered him as he setup a third. His play up to midgame was utterly sublime.

I believe what cost him the game was he over-expanded. If Flash is staying on 3 bases for that long you can be assured he's going to have a push from hell coming. Bisu's response was to addon more expos when he needed more army.


yeah seriously give both players more credit geez
saying bisu played bad only belittles how well flash played
the fact is if flash pushed out just a moment later and didn't emp as well as he did, bisu would have won 99%

I say bisu played poorly. He didn't properly scout what flash was doing. Instead of taking his 6th, he should of pumped more units. In fact, I don't really know if he should of taken his 5th. Having expo is great, but you need units to defend the expo, which is what bisu neglected to do. I think its a fundamental mistake that bisu made.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 08 2011 08:17 GMT
#2410
On January 08 2011 17:13 Ciryandor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 17:10 Holgerius wrote:
I'm a little sad that Stats actually won a game, an all-kill would've been so sweet.

If Stats didn't take out BeSt, Flash would have had to face a PvT specialist, then an excellent TvTer, and possibly two snipers. At least he neutralized SKT's best shot at taking Flash out.

Did you not see the last Flash vs Best game?

Also, Best might get sniped by Action before KT sends out Flash.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
January 08 2011 08:17 GMT
#2411
when flash pushes out in tvp, you better shit your pants. his pushes are so damn scary....

but im disappointed in bisu. i expected something more spectacular, something with more feel to it. this whole game seemed dull and kinda "helpless" from bisus side.

overall, it was probably fantasy who lost the series for skt. he had a 2 base advantage over flash and controlled 75% of the map, in a tvt. without that crucial fail attack while simultaneously losing 2 expoes at once to drops, he could have rolled flash soooo easily...

well, gz godyoungho, u still are the best player in the world.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
January 08 2011 08:17 GMT
#2412
Bisu, I am so disappointed. Such terrible unit control/timing. Should have saved Best for Flash.
I like money. You like money too? We should hang out.
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
January 08 2011 08:17 GMT
#2413
*Sigh* Flash definitely brought his A-game and angrymode with him today for being kicked outta the individual leagues, so well played to him.

I don't really think that it's Ssak and Bisu's fault for not coming through the clutch- I feel that Fantasy should NEVER have let that huge blunder happen when he was at an advantage in the first place, and he was playing so well too...! He could've prevented KTFlash from happening and made an all-kill tonight. Alas, the negatives of being stuck in the Kong line....

Epic games today though, especially Fantasy vs. Flash. Everyone's gotta check that one out, even though it was a bit dragged out. Thanks to all the streamers again for your heroic deeds! :D

You may have won this time KT, but next tiiiiiiiiiiiiiimeee we'll get our revenge you whippersnapperrrs~ *Shakes angry fist*
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 08 2011 08:17 GMT
#2414
Best wouldn't have beaten Flash, the way he's been playing recently is enough to tell you that.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
January 08 2011 08:17 GMT
#2415
The last time SKT met up KT in WL, Flash did a reverse AK
and it was much more one-sided than today
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
January 08 2011 08:18 GMT
#2416
On January 08 2011 17:15 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 17:13 Ciryandor wrote:
On January 08 2011 17:10 Holgerius wrote:
I'm a little sad that Stats actually won a game, an all-kill would've been so sweet.

If Stats didn't take out BeSt, Flash would have had to face a PvT specialist, then an excellent TvTer, and possibly two snipers. At least he neutralized SKT's best shot at taking Flash out.

There isn't a doubt in my mind that Flash would've rolled Best today.

Flash will rape in WL this season. It has begun.

I doubt he'd roll BeSt; and most likely we'd see BeSt giving him a really hard time at the least, but it's our individual opinions

Now that he's gotten of to this start, there's no doubt indeed that he'll rape hard. He's got complete focus on PL; nothing to distract him from knowing the maps and reading the players.
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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
January 08 2011 08:19 GMT
#2417
On January 08 2011 17:15 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 17:12 revy wrote:
I don't understand how people are saying bad things about how Bisu played that game. His opening was beautiful. His late expo ran him up the tech tree while simultaneously denying Flash the benefits of his fast expand. Following that he harassed around with reavers which covered him as he setup a third. His play up to midgame was utterly sublime.

I believe what cost him the game was he over-expanded. If Flash is staying on 3 bases for that long you can be assured he's going to have a push from hell coming. Bisu's response was to addon more expos when he needed more army.

Yes agree about overexpanding, this could be the reason too, but still what was so good about his harass, how many units did he kill actually??? 8 scv's ??? he did keep Flash worried about his bases, but this is not enough when you go for a reaver drop or whatever you are trying to drop in there


The thing is he didn't really need the harass to kill anything, it pushed him up the tech tree and kept Flash on the back foot meanwhile he grabbed an expo. If Bisu didn't kill a single unit I'ld say it was successful, but he did get a few. I'ld chalk up the low losses to Flash's defense, Flash's unit movement was perfect to keep the harass under control.
kwkwookw
Profile Joined August 2010
218 Posts
January 08 2011 08:19 GMT
#2418
On January 08 2011 17:17 Lightwip wrote:
Best wouldn't have beaten Flash, the way he's been playing recently is enough to tell you that.


i'm sure best would have wanted revenge on flash after the last humiliating game where flash dropped all over him. haha but no way to know if he would have won or not
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
January 08 2011 08:21 GMT
#2419
yeah that game was awesome. the whole time I was thinking about bisu's extra expansions.

flash must be really happy, great job.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
January 08 2011 08:21 GMT
#2420
T.T woke up to T1 loss. Only time I root against flash is when he plays T1 in proleague
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