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On December 22 2010 00:07 Holgerius wrote:
Let me put it like this; I can easily think of several occasions where Fantasy has been BM'd because he has horrible gg timing (CC's by Xellos, Ultra consume by Soulkey, Scout recall by Free).
When was that soulkey vs fanta game in which he consumed an ultra? The korean commentators must've gone wild. ;D
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I am pretty sure that Fantasy is imitating Flash (oh forget it, its TwoTonTerran and Holgerius here)
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On December 21 2010 22:31 Ikonn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2010 22:15 Ricjames wrote:
Oh why SKT had to lose this. I haven't seen the games yet but Canata probably sucked all the way when he got beaten by Juni Pretty much Show nested quote +On December 21 2010 22:15 Ricjames wrote:
and Fantasy probably pulled another bullshit card out his sleeve. Build order loss followed by some impressive micro by TurN. Not much Fantasy could do
Fantasy went for a greedy build despite technically being the superior player. He gambled for early game advantage rather than going for solid mid-game play. Plus, when he saw the marines, he did not try to turtle up and accept a slight but noticeable BO disadvantage. Which one knows that in TvTs, aren't always fatal given the nature of the matchup. Instead he tried to compete in marine micro and failed horribly.
The stupidest thing is that Fantasy did the above two things despite knowing that his marine control sucks ass. While his mid-late game TvT is much better. Hence his BO loss is mostly on him and not luck.
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Best has worse gg timing than Fantasy. In fact, he's probably the worst I can think of.
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On December 22 2010 00:11 Radiomouse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 00:07 Holgerius wrote:
Let me put it like this; I can easily think of several occasions where Fantasy has been BM'd because he has horrible gg timing (CC's by Xellos, Ultra consume by Soulkey, Scout recall by Free). When was that soulkey vs fanta game in which he consumed an ultra? The korean commentators must've gone wild. ;D
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/47692_Fantasy_vs_Neo.G_Soulkey/vod
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And why are you kids bringing up Flash/KT or whatever? Quickly, mention three examples of Flash getting BM'd with an in-game ceremony due to gg timing!
Listen to Free's interview after playing Fantasy:
''At first, I had no intention of doing anything like that but he went too far not typing in "GG".''
This has nothing to do with me being a fan of another player/team, Fantasy is objectively speaking one of the absolutely worst when it comes to this.
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On December 22 2010 00:16 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 00:11 Radiomouse wrote:On December 22 2010 00:07 Holgerius wrote:
Let me put it like this; I can easily think of several occasions where Fantasy has been BM'd because he has horrible gg timing (CC's by Xellos, Ultra consume by Soulkey, Scout recall by Free). When was that soulkey vs fanta game in which he consumed an ultra? The korean commentators must've gone wild. ;D http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/47692_Fantasy_vs_Neo.G_Soulkey/vod------------------ And why are you kids bringing up Flash/KT or whatever? Quickly, mention three examples of Flash getting BM'd with an in-game ceremony due to gg timing! Listen to Free's interview after playing Fantasy: ''At first, I had no intention of doing anything like that but he went too far not typing in "GG".'' This has nothing to do with me being a fan of another player/team, Fantasy is objectively speaking one of the absolutely worst when it comes to this.
To be fair, Free uses scouts to BM in most of his games. But yes, Fantasy does have bad gg timing. Although perhaps it's because he often thinks he can still pull off a come back despite being badly behind.
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On December 22 2010 00:04 mnesthes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2010 23:59 Holgerius wrote:On December 21 2010 23:16 kamikami wrote:On December 21 2010 23:05 Holgerius wrote:On December 21 2010 22:59 alffla wrote:
i love when fantasy loses lololol it seems like he gets so frustrated every time. ok kinda mean but surely everyone can agree with me that fantasy has one of the worst GG timings out of all progamers. Yes he has, together with some CJ players. You are the best KT fan ever Holgerius. So true so true. How is this about me being a KT fan? He was trying to be sarcastic but the statement just fails to carry any sarcasm. Poor guy. xD
It's you who failed to understand my statement, I was not sarcastic towards KT. Holgerius said "together with some CJ players" and that pleased me, so I made that statement. Your reply to my post is of no importance at all since my post is about the "together with some CJ players" part, not the Fantasy part.
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Jesus SKT on slump all of a sudden. Fantasy losing to Turn! We didn't even get to see an epic Bisu Vs Stork game. This clanwar has failed me!
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Tyson and Jaehoon went to watch Bisu's game:
![[image loading]](http://img.dailygame.co.kr/news/201012/attachments/20101221_bd44645d51784ab9742ce46dbb13e790.jpg)
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I never thought I would have to say this but "SKTBisu"
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MBC still loves their former golden boy
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On December 22 2010 00:54 kamikami wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 00:04 mnesthes wrote:On December 21 2010 23:59 Holgerius wrote:On December 21 2010 23:16 kamikami wrote:On December 21 2010 23:05 Holgerius wrote:On December 21 2010 22:59 alffla wrote:
i love when fantasy loses lololol it seems like he gets so frustrated every time. ok kinda mean but surely everyone can agree with me that fantasy has one of the worst GG timings out of all progamers. Yes he has, together with some CJ players. You are the best KT fan ever Holgerius. So true so true. How is this about me being a KT fan? He was trying to be sarcastic but the statement just fails to carry any sarcasm. Poor guy. xD It's you who failed to understand my statement, I was not sarcastic towards KT. Holgerius said "together with some CJ players" and that pleased me, so I made that statement. Your reply to my post is of no importance at all since my post is about the "together with some CJ players" part, not the Fantasy part.
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It's not too relevant, but Flash, Jaedong, Stork and Bisu are top 4 once again.
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To be honest, I'm not sure whether Bisu or Stork belongs at #3. I suppose time will tell, but they are really close and a fair(but not insurmountable) distance from all the others.
Fantasy fell down to #7 under TBLS(redverse order) Shine and Light.
Also, I wouldn't mention Flash gg timing because in most games he's gonna lose, I think, "is he gonna turtle his way back into this?" And about 20% of the time the answer is yes. And in all honesty, he often ggs when he has nothing left to do rather than when he's about to get destroyed. He gg'd vs ssak while he had a tank line because he had no means of reinforcing his 3rd and he was starved out, while Ssak could pretty much do anything. If he had waited another 5-10 minutes for Ssak to break his tank line, that would be both BM-worthy and bad gg timing.
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TurN is the terran Kwanro it seems :D
great micro by him in the beginning \m/_
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On December 22 2010 00:11 Xiphos wrote:
I am pretty sure that Fantasy is imitating Flash (oh forget it, its TwoTonTerran and Holgerius here)
Yeah, Flash's TvT GG timing is so slow; that's why he's the fastest televised TvT loser of all time. Er what?
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YES!! Stork and TurN winning=Khan victory! YESSS
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Fantasy has been slumping pretty hard, and it's been bad decision-making costing him a lot of his games =( at this rate I think he'll fall to Hydra in the OSL today
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Wow,
SKT is going through a rough time now...
4th consecutive loss?
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On December 22 2010 01:39 nayumi wrote:
I never thought I would have to say this but "SKTBisu"
Best isn't an auto-loss. Neither is Ssak.
But man this pisses me off. Where's Kwanro and Paralyze?
Why is Fantasy playing like every SKT-hater's wet dream?
This should be the SKT match-up from now on:
+ Show Spoiler +1. Bisu
2. Best
3. Bisu's hair
4. Best's abs
7. 1, 3, and 4 will win no matter what, so SKT can just Hyuk the next three and have Bisu play the ace match if it comes to that.
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EPT
