Group A: Paralyze < Gladiator > Hyuk This game is going to result in a team kill. We have all seen Hyuk play good games and really poor games. His teammates are always giving him credit for preparing them for victories. Maybe he will be confident since he's playing a teammate. Paralyze has declared himself as the PvP specialist of SKT. His PvZ skills are little known but he has Bisu to train him. I predict Hyuk will take this match
Group B: Jaedong < Pathfinder > HiyA This game is the second team kill of the night. Its hard to imagine that JD does not take this win tonight. His only kryptonite has only ever been Flash in the finals. He's still in great form and has the advantage of beating Hiya daily in practice. Hiya on the other hand just needs to get very lucky and play a perfect game. If he can keeps his mouth from gaping open like the grand canyon at every surprise then I'm sure he can put up a good fight. I predict Jaedong to win.
Group C: Sea < Icarus > Shine We all know that we are disappointed by the defeat of Bisu. But now it is time to Shine. But seriously, Sea is far to good of a player for this match up to go anywhere. I expect Sea to win this game. Here's the catch-22, we all recently saw Fantasy lose to Modesty on this map. So maybe Shine can wiggle his way through. That said, Sea will win this easy.
Group D: free < Aztec > Hydra Oh, our beloved Free. He's been the receiving end of many insults from Stork and Bisu. They dont like his boring play style, yet he makes it to the semifinals consistently. Will Free truly embrace the will of the protoss dragons and advance again. Hydra on the other hand is doing well in the proleague coming off a win against Jaedong. His last game against protoss was a win versus Jangbi. I think Free is the clear favorite here, but this might be the closest game of the night. The winner for this game I declare Free.
nice thx for the thread, btw if you want them, the tag for dividers/lines is [hr.], and for centering is [center.]...[/center.] (all without the dots ofc) (ignore me if you already know this )
I approve of early threads for the sake of hype! Nice job BisuDagger.
I think Shine and Hydra might give Sea and Free a bit of a fright. They're both in the form of their lives, and Free in particular looks a bit inconsistent to me.
Hopefully Hyuk plays a captain's knock and sacrifices himself for the up-and-coming Paralyze.
On December 10 2010 19:09 Goragoth wrote: I would say that it is rather likely that Shine's killer winning streak will end today. His play has been good but Sea should be a huge favourite.
Depends on spawning positions, if Fantasy's game on that same map was any indicator. I personally don't believe that was a massive factor but it'll be interesting to see.
On December 10 2010 19:01 BisuDagger wrote: I did not know. I'm working on making it look better now. This is my first time and I always wanted to make one! I love TL!
it's looking good dude, thanks again for doing the OP
Paralyze < Hyuk [so far: no games played between the two] As far as I know, everyone is hyping up this rookie at the moment; unfortunately Hyuk won't all-in this time, and I guess Afroman got a little bit figured out already. Sorry, Protoss and SKT Fans.
Jaedong > HiyA [so far: Jaedong is 2-0 vs Hiya] Easiest prediction of all time. As long as Hiya won't go three Port into Nukes cheese or play on meth, he has no chance here. By the way, I wonder what is their record in practice games?
Sea > Shine [so far: Sea is 1-0 vs Shine] Actually, I expect this to be a highlight of today and the closest match of the night. Shine is the real deal, but it's TvZ and Sea really knows what to do in this matchup. Hoping for GG, though.
free > Hydra [so far: 1-1 tie; Hydra took the last game] Hydra looks good recently? Free will make him look bad again. I'm not kidding: Woongjin Protoss is possibly the most consistent representative of his race. He will take it, but after good fight.
On December 10 2010 19:01 BisuDagger wrote: I did not know. I'm working on making it look better now. This is my first time and I always wanted to make one! I love TL!
As some one else who is of similar post count, and made their first LR thread in the past month; it gets easyier after your first. I thought about making this one, but I have a flight to catch later this morning.
Gogo paralyze!! Royal Road incoming!!! And the guy with the deep voice reading the matchup is awsome.
On December 10 2010 19:34 kuroshiroi wrote: Paralyze with stargirl advantage?
AND hairstyle advantage
I really don't get a buzz about Paralyze. Sure, he has had 2 games, but so have Trap and Brave, for example. Except for the afro, I think he'll be forgotten after this game vs. Hyuk.
On December 10 2010 19:34 kuroshiroi wrote: Paralyze with stargirl advantage?
AND hairstyle advantage
I really don't get a buzz about Paralyze. Sure, he has had 2 games, but so have Trap and Brave, for example. Except for the afro, I think he'll be forgotten after this game vs. Hyuk.
On December 10 2010 19:34 kuroshiroi wrote: Paralyze with stargirl advantage?
AND hairstyle advantage
I really don't get a buzz about Paralyze. Sure, he has had 2 games, but so have Trap and Brave, for example. Except for the afro, I think he'll be forgotten after this game vs. Hyuk.
He's an SKT player. Does that answer your question? ^^
On December 10 2010 19:34 kuroshiroi wrote: Paralyze with stargirl advantage?
AND hairstyle advantage
I really don't get a buzz about Paralyze. Sure, he has had 2 games, but so have Trap and Brave, for example. Except for the afro, I think he'll be forgotten after this game vs. Hyuk.
I was pleasantly surprised at how good he was tbh. Added to that was the obvious hair, the fact he was unique, and most of all the fact that he was so quick to smile. For me it's refreshing to see a guy who you can tell really, really enjoys what he's doing, and to whom winning is still a massive thing.
Large crowd tonight :D First game of the night Map is Gladiator Hyuk in red, at 7 Afrotoss in white at 2
The Fro starting off with FFE Spawning pool first for Hyuk. Hyuk puts a hatch at 5.5, meanwhile Fro puts his nexus and cannon down. Hyuk taking his nat, second cannon down for the Fro, he also puts down a cannon
Hyuk has zerglings out in the field, trying to kill that probe.
Zerglings backing off to kill scouting Probe, so far without success. The Probe lives to tell the tale, although it exits Hyuk's bases. Lair is morphing, Cybernetics Core already up.
On December 10 2010 19:34 kuroshiroi wrote: Paralyze with stargirl advantage?
AND hairstyle advantage
I really don't get a buzz about Paralyze. Sure, he has had 2 games, but so have Trap and Brave, for example. Except for the afro, I think he'll be forgotten after this game vs. Hyuk.
He's an SKT player. Does that answer your question? ^^
Lol, I think I get it now. Let's see if he'll let his fans down.
Two more Gates and a Citadel for Afrotoss; his Probe scout finally bites the dust. Three Zealots engaging handful of Zerglings. Good micro by Protoss. Hyuk hectically makes defence to hold his third.
2 gates added (total for three) Zerglings threatening Afro's nat, hydran den coming up for Hyuk, zerglings engage with zealots and dragoon, few zerglings die the rest back off.
Sunkens being added to the third, scourge out as Hyuk sim-cities his bases, speed done for zealots.
They hit the third, two sunkens defending, zealots kill three drones and leave. Templar archive warping in.
8 zealots walk towards the third, sair goes down to scourge. drones and zerglings attacking zealots at the third, couple of zerglings and 1 or 2 drones die, zealots backing off
First DT out on the field killing a few zerglings. Small group of zerglings kill a stray zealot. 2 HTs sitting infront of the nat
Hyuk making pretty good simcity against Speedlots; Zealots come in but run away after a brief fight. Zerglings poke around Toss natural to distract Zealots. There are crap lot of Scourge out. Protoss expands to low-ground base.
Hyuk has quite a number of scourge, enough to nullify all the sairs.
Zealots and HTs keeping some map control as they patrol around. Another sair falls to a pair of scourge.
4 lurkers burrowed at the third Observatory warping in. Shuttle is out for Afro, scourge miss the shuttle as it heads towards the fourth. HTs and a lone DT dropped, storm over a few drones, scourge also die to storms. Shuttle dies to scourge. Hydras arrive to kill the HTs
Shuttle barely sneaks in, finally gets revealed by Scourge, but it drops two High Templars. Many, many, many Drones mining in Hyuk's fourth expansion. Another expo for Paralyze, this may turn into long macrofest.
Queen's nest finished for Hyuk, afro taking the mineral only outside his main and the 12.5 base.
Meanwhile Afro sends his main army to take down all the lurkers in front of Hyuk's third, to no avail though as Hyuk sends more units to defend. Zerglings shut down 12.5
Hyuk has a nice spread on his lurkers, those hydras there make it even more difficult for Afro overcome that ridge with his dragoon/zealot army. Afro taking the 3 expo
Large amounts of overlords on the move, sairs disrupt them for now. Zealot/goons engage with lings. couple of dragoons die, a lot of lings dead. Hyuk at Hive and has his defiler mount finished. Zerglings hitting the mineral only expo outside Afro's main, cannons down, archon comes to defend. Afro holding that base
Afro hitting the nat, sairs running in to kill overlords, all the lurkers relocate to defend, storms go off killing a lot of lurkers, swarm goes off as well, a single reaver there. No good though as Hyuk has too many units.
Hyuk decides to transition into Zergling/Lurker army, loses couple of Overlords to Corsairs. Cracklings doing damage to Afro's low-ground base, while Toss assaults at the other side of the map. Paralyze's army gets mopped up, but he has plenty of reinforcements; killed even more Overlords.
Hyuk's Guerilla Lings kill Nexus at the mineral only. Afrotoss still not able to cross the ridge with legion of Lurkers crouching. Finally chooses the other way around, but will it work?
Afro regrouping his army, plague goes off and hits a few units and the shuttle, no too many units hit from the plaguem which is good for Afro Sairs still hunting down overlords, zerglings once again hit the mineral only expo, probes run as the expo falls very quickly
Defiler and lings run into the protoss army, none of which survive. Reaver out targeting lurkers, storm over the lurkers! They unburrow and move back. Shuttle being chased by scourge, reaches the base safely
Hyuk just suiciding zerglings into Afro's army. Reaver micro killing some hydras, storm over lurkers again, takes them out too
Afro trying to expand to 12.5 but Hyuk keeps denying with zerglings
Another battle with lurkers, so many storms going off, somehow there are still lurkers left. Hyuk expanding to 6.5, but it's being hit by zealots.
Afro being fought all the way back to his base. Hydras arrive to defend 6.5 but the hatchery falls before the zealots die. Lurkers advancing forward, they're close to Afro's nat
Wow Hyuk has a large hydra/ling/lurk army, storms going off once again, not enough to Kill the hydras, meanwhile there's a drop at Hyuk's fourth, but this looks over for afro as the large army is evading the nat
Two hero Zealots sniped a Hatchery in new Zerg base! Hyuk lost dozen of Lurkers, but now he moves in with two dozens of Hydras. Too few Storms left for Afrotoss, so he concedes as Hydra blob kills his natural.
Hyuk's lurker spread was nice, he defended well early, and Frotoss really struggled all game to inflict any economic dmg to his teammate. NB from Hyuk, definitely a lot better than his recent PL form.
No sound for Hiya's pc, not sure what's wrong with Jaedong's. Time to replace the equipment. I don't want to see this happening at tmr's proleague matches.
On December 10 2010 20:12 Ryo wrote: Hiya probably going to try some crazy build
hiya's aways been a baller, i expect a crazy build for this game too
crazy build hm? I don't ever remember him employng very many unique crazy strats, other than the triathalon TvP
he beat soulkey on this map with 2 port wraith another zerg on this map he 2 port 1 dropship/wraiths dropped scvs/marine/vulture in main
i have been seeing 2 ports from him in a lot of his previous tvz's and he said prior to this "i know things about jaedong other people dont" which makes me suspect he is going to try something innovative because he is still sad after getting WTFSLAMMED in last wcg
On December 10 2010 20:19 fatguyallen wrote: Asked this yesterday , but what song just played ? It's not linking park :D
It is.
He means the song that plays just as they enter the game, while we see the countdown. I have no idea which song that is and there are no clear lyrics to search for either.
On December 10 2010 20:19 fatguyallen wrote: Asked this yesterday , but what song just played ? It's not linking park :D
It is.
He means the song that plays just as they enter the game, while we see the countdown. I have no idea which song that is and there are no clear lyrics to search for either.
JD going hatch first, Hiya building his supply and rax in his nat, second depot completes the wall at his nat, he then places his Cc
Second rax building in his base. SCV attacking the pool inside JD's base. Acadamy coming up. Hatchery at JD's nat morphing into a Lair. Third rax in the making now. Overlord spots the rax
Hiya moving out as JD puts down his spire. Handful of marines stim up along with a fire bat, 2 meds healing them all
On December 10 2010 20:19 fatguyallen wrote: Asked this yesterday , but what song just played ? It's not linking park :D
It is.
He means the song that plays just as they enter the game, while we see the countdown. I have no idea which song that is and there are no clear lyrics to search for either.
Hiya walls himself in and expands.
Yeap that one. Won't offtopic anymore have fun watching the game :D
Jaedong's Overlord finally confirms that Hiya is going bio. First group of infantry moving out to force the Sunkens. Spire is almost done, Jaedong sits comfortably on two Sunkens.
second sunken placed now, Spire finishes and larva morph into eggs straight away. Ebay finished for Hiya and he's in the process of erecting turrets around his base.
Zerglings sitting outside Hiya's nat Mutas are finished, they are now terrorizing Hiya's main.
Meanwhile Hiya has his army advance towards JD where he only has two sunkens, his zerglings are far far away. Zerglings enter Hiya's nat and attack the bunker, nothing inside.
Hiya advances his army, two sunkens go down. Mutas arrive to defend. Overlord down. Couple of Mutas die. Fresh zerglings take out some marines, more en route though
Uh, oh, Hiya's Turrets were a little too late, so the Mutas did lots of damage. But Terran breaks Jaedong's natural! Zerg forced to retreat with all Mutas to hold. Another Marine break fails narrowly; in the meantime Hiya got backstabbed by Ling runby.
JD microing his mutas furiously, lings aid the mutas, mnm are dying, the ones that survive retreat back to base. JD has lurkers now. Hiya adding a factory. His barracks are still pumping marines out. Lurker arrives at Hiya's nat, it burrows and attacks the depot
More lurkers arriving, mnm sitting outside the nat, they engage with the lurkers, mutas/lings arrive to take out a few mnm along with the lurker spikes.
Mnm retreat back to the nat, lurkers move in and Hiya focus fires them down. JD expanding to 6, lurkers are being burrowed around the map, Hiya sending an scv for scouting info
JD moving to Hive tech now as the Queen's nest is finished Hiya ha his starport up and science facility, he's also getting his second ebay
Come on, Jaedong, you can do this! And why, Paralyze... don't worry, you will win against Flash, I believe in you! =3 Sea and Free should take the next two match-ups, I am sure.
Pair of scourge out, almost snipes the science vessel as it pops, the vessel gets away
Tanks mixed into Hiya's army. They seige up and the lurkers retreat. Defiler mound on its way for JD Lings and lurkers scramble around the map and regroup. Hiya advancing forward. Lurkers/ling sandwich!!!
mnm drop in the main, gase goes down. pool being hit, sunken goes down too mnm also hitting 6 but lurkers and lings are there.
Hydras defending the main but they die too! Fresh lings finish off the marines, but a hatch is down and quite a number of drones died.
Hiya barely saves his Vessel from Scourge ambush. Moving out again with some Tanks. Jaedong assembled crap ton of units, but what he will do about the drop at his main? Epic drop by Hiya, kills so many Drones, but his frontal push got smashed. Tense game!
Oh god, that flank by Jaedong was sick but was it enough damage?! I <3 the commentators as usual, they are so exciting to listen to but cool down on the volume, haha. >_<
Hiya with another wave of mnm ready. Defiler out for JD, Hiya going for another drop, scourge on patrol, DS sniped Meanwhile Mnm moving towards 6, swarm and lurkers stem the advance though
Poor attack by JD got too greedy after the plague, lost a few lurks there. Otherwise JD is doing well to stay in the game after the low econ early-midgame .
Jaedong buying time with Swarms, but I'm not sure how is his economy going. Hiya not having Tanks anymore, manages to kill waves of Lings and retreat before Lurkers shoot. Double drop for him, avoiding the Scourge thanks to some luck. Jaedong is in deep trouble!
3 vultures terrorize 6 for a while before backing off
two DS unload in JD's main, mnm run in to attack the hatch. scourge irradiated. Hatch sniped. Lings run in to attack the marines but without swarm they don't last long. Lurkers can't get into the main as it's blocked off by hatches and the spire, DEFILER CAN"T GET IN EITHER!
man who the fuck is the observer... JD's shit is stuck at the ramp, we get it, no need to spend 15 minutes there while there is a battle in the main -_-
Hiya massacres all tech buildings in Jaedong's main, while his own bases remain intact. "Oh fuck" faces from the Tyrant, as he sees it's over. GG! Hiya comes out with a drum ceremony. What a baller!
but just think about it guys, dont you realise this is the best possible way for group b to be double oz advancement? not suggesting anything here though
On December 10 2010 20:40 Metalwing wrote: If this was an online event, I'd definitely say account sharing. This can't be Jaedong.
JD played really well. It's just extremely hard to come back after a sunken break with continous pressure, his econ was dead at that point, his 3rd delayed, and he could only pump pure ling/muta instead of teching and droning. Hiya went for a gambit attack instead of defending and it worked, strong pressure after that too. Well played by hiya.
That was hard to watch... JD seemed on tilt b/c he got crushed with a lotttt of small mistakes all over the place (threw away so many units, sim city blew up in his face etc).
Lol at Hiya with the drum tho. Can't believe he pulled that out against his team member even if they are friends.
Just tuned in at the end but that looked like a horrible game from Jaedong. Misses the 2 drop ships with tons of scourge nearby, loses the scourge to MnM, fail wall-in blocks defiler/lurker from defending and then proceeds to run 2 defilers right into Hiya's ball. =(
On December 10 2010 20:39 doothegee wrote: I don't mean to cry about BW imba after 12 years of the game, but terrans can do so much damage with one dropship it's bullshit.
Yeah well maybe he shouldn't wall off his own main
That was such a BM drum ceremony by Hiya, but that was hilarious! Jaedong, don't lose heart... hey, what are you doing looking down at Hiya's butt backstage? Haha, that was funny to see. =3
On December 10 2010 20:41 shucklesors wrote: but just think about it guys, dont you realise this is the best possible way for group b to be double oz advancement? not suggesting anything here though
Man Jaedong fouled up at so many spots and suicided his defilers a LOT. I think the point which Hiya got a huge edge was with that drop when he sniped the spool that first time.
On December 10 2010 20:41 shucklesors wrote: but just think about it guys, dont you realise this is the best possible way for group b to be double oz advancement? not suggesting anything here though
Hahaa, Hiya, I love you! And I don't even feel sad about JD, Its all about the moment, not some titles, yeah! good game Hiya, worth a victory, not a very solid play from JD though
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
Wowww. Then my bet between my friend about Kal winning over Lee-Ssang.. would be won... OMG.
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
Well fuck, now Jaedong has two Bo1 ZvZ's to win in order to advance. Even though it's the matchup he is statistically best in lately, it's still by far the one I'd least want him to have to rely on in Bo1's.
Would be awesome if both Hiya and Jaedong managed to advance though.
On December 10 2010 20:47 Cpadolf wrote: Well fuck, now Jaedong has two Bo1 ZvZ's to win in order to advance. Even though it's the matchup he is statistically best in lately, it's still by far the one I'd least want him to have to rely on in Bo1's.
Would be awesome if both Hiya and Jaedong managed to advance though.
neither hogil nor calm can touch jaedong (post-avalon division)
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
On December 10 2010 20:41 shucklesors wrote: but just think about it guys, dont you realise this is the best possible way for group b to be double oz advancement? not suggesting anything here though
I thought about that, honestly.
yes, me too. That doesn't looks anything like the Jaedong I know!
And his other opponents are both Zerg... no problem for the Dong.
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
I don't want to see this. I want to see both advance past ro16, for the sake of BW. Bad enough that Bisu didn't make it into the OSL. If all the S-class players get knocked out early, the final is going to have really low attendance.
On December 10 2010 20:47 Cpadolf wrote: Well fuck, now Jaedong has two Bo1 ZvZ's to win in order to advance. Even though it's the matchup he is statistically best in lately, it's still by far the one I'd least want him to have to rely on in Bo1's.
Would be awesome if both Hiya and Jaedong managed to advance though.
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
i actually wouldn't mind seeing flash not advance (not that i hate the kid, but i really want to see Jaedong vs a Protoss or something)
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
I think that even they might be tired of JD/Flash finals in individual leagues.
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
i wouldn't want to see that
I would barf then eat it, just to barf again... if Kal won.
On December 10 2010 20:47 Cpadolf wrote: Well fuck, now Jaedong has two Bo1 ZvZ's to win in order to advance. Even though it's the matchup he is statistically best in lately, it's still by far the one I'd least want him to have to rely on in Bo1's.
Would be awesome if both Hiya and Jaedong managed to advance though.
And a great game too. Very intense.
Wow, you are right. =/ I don't want to see JD get knocked out due to ZvZ Bo1's.
On December 10 2010 20:47 Cpadolf wrote: Well fuck, now Jaedong has two Bo1 ZvZ's to win in order to advance. Even though it's the matchup he is statistically best in lately, it's still by far the one I'd least want him to have to rely on in Bo1's.
Would be awesome if both Hiya and Jaedong managed to advance though.
neither hogil nor calm can touch jaedong (post-avalon division)
In Bo1's anything can happen though. And ZvZ is such a fickle matchup, as one small mistake can easily lose you the game, and even though Jaedong is by far the best at it, and is least likely to make such mistakes, he's by no means impervious to it.
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
I think that even they might be tired of JD/Flash finals in individual leagues.
Yeah I want to see Flash vs Afrotoss finals.....
off topic:Nukethestars got a directors account so I can watch full length english VODS from him after i'm done with the korean vods of course.
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
I think that even they might be tired of JD/Flash finals in individual leagues.
Nope, JD vs Flash is awesome. I could watch it all day long.
If it wasn't Jaedong, people probably wouldn't say that Zerg play was horrible, but he set his standards so high, we always expect super-accurate Dropship defence, clean-cut flanking and top-notch Swarms. Let's think the other way around: after first successful drop Hiya wasn't supposed to get another one, because, from progamer point of view, it was too primitive strategy to work. Unfortunately, Jaedong went wrong with Scourge positioning and got beaten. This doesn't mean that he played 'bad', but only made two the same mistakes in a row. 'Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me'.
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
I think that even they might be tired of JD/Flash finals in individual leagues.
Yeah, definitely. I want Jaedong vs Free or Fantasy
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
I think that even they might be tired of JD/Flash finals in individual leagues.
Yeah I want to see Flash vs Afrotoss finals.....
off topic:Nukethestars got a directors account so I can watch full length english VODS from him after i'm done with the korean vods of course.
.... is there a ceremony contest or something? normally people would be saying how bad mannered that was. i remember when firebathero did shit which was WAY less "in your face" and he received an unbelievable amount of hate.
On December 10 2010 20:47 Cpadolf wrote: Well fuck, now Jaedong has two Bo1 ZvZ's to win in order to advance. Even though it's the matchup he is statistically best in lately, it's still by far the one I'd least want him to have to rely on in Bo1's.
Would be awesome if both Hiya and Jaedong managed to advance though.
neither hogil nor calm can touch jaedong (post-avalon division)
In Bo1's anything can happen though. And ZvZ is such a fickle matchup, as one small mistake can easily lose you the game, and even though Jaedong is by far the best at it, and is least likely to make such mistakes, he's by no means impervious to it.
You can say that about anything though, although I do get your point. If he beats Calm, then he's pretty much guaranteed at least a tiebreaker (assuming Hiya doesn't go magifail), at which point I would say he's almost a lock to advance.
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
I think that even they might be tired of JD/Flash finals in individual leagues.
Yeah, definitely. I want Jaedong vs Free or Fantasy
You're just scared that Flash will stomp JD again. ^__^
On December 10 2010 20:52 radialis wrote: .... is there a ceremony contest or something? normally people would be saying how bad mannered that was. i remember when firebathero did shit which was WAY less "in your face" and he received an unbelievable amount of hate.
JD and Hiya are teammates though. FBH was just being an asshole to Savior.
On December 10 2010 20:52 radialis wrote: .... is there a ceremony contest or something? normally people would be saying how bad mannered that was. i remember when firebathero did shit which was WAY less "in your face" and he received an unbelievable amount of hate.
Well you have to consider that Hiya and Jaedong are teammates, so there's a considerable amount of friendliness. FBH pelvic thrusting and dancing around wasn't as... friendly.
On December 10 2010 20:52 radialis wrote: .... is there a ceremony contest or something? normally people would be saying how bad mannered that was. i remember when firebathero did shit which was WAY less "in your face" and he received an unbelievable amount of hate.
Well they are teammates. If Hiya did that to some random person he might have gotten some hate (especially entering the booth of his opponent and all), but it's still so hilarious I think it'd be hard for people to be mad.
On December 10 2010 20:52 radialis wrote: .... is there a ceremony contest or something? normally people would be saying how bad mannered that was. i remember when firebathero did shit which was WAY less "in your face" and he received an unbelievable amount of hate.
JD and Hiya are teammates though. FBH was just being an asshole to Savior.
you could also argue that being team mates makes it worse though. idk how JD wasn't pissed off by that.
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
I think that even they might be tired of JD/Flash finals in individual leagues.
Yeah, definitely. I want Jaedong vs Free or Fantasy
You're just scared that Flash will stomp JD again. ^__^
If it's Shine vs Flash in the final, who would TL support? >.>
On December 10 2010 20:52 radialis wrote: .... is there a ceremony contest or something? normally people would be saying how bad mannered that was. i remember when firebathero did shit which was WAY less "in your face" and he received an unbelievable amount of hate.
JD and Hiya are teammates though. FBH was just being an asshole to Savior.
you could also argue that being team mates makes it worse though. idk how JD wasn't pissed off by that.
they joked about it and it was set in advance that the winner would do the drum ceremony.
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
I think that even they might be tired of JD/Flash finals in individual leagues.
Yeah, definitely. I want Jaedong vs Free or Fantasy
You're just scared that Flash will stomp JD again. ^__^
If it's Shine vs Flash in the final, who would TL support? >.>
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
I think that even they might be tired of JD/Flash finals in individual leagues.
Yeah, definitely. I want Jaedong vs Free or Fantasy
You're just scared that Flash will stomp JD again. ^__^
Hehe, well, it does take a toll on your heart after you see it 3 times in a row :p
On December 10 2010 20:52 radialis wrote: .... is there a ceremony contest or something? normally people would be saying how bad mannered that was. i remember when firebathero did shit which was WAY less "in your face" and he received an unbelievable amount of hate.
JD and Hiya are teammates though. FBH was just being an asshole to Savior.
you could also argue that being team mates makes it worse though. idk how JD wasn't pissed off by that.
they joked about it and it was set in advance that the winner would do the drum ceremony.
Jaedong would have done it too? That would have been hilarious.
On December 10 2010 20:44 chongu wrote: This OSL is turning out to be awesome!!! Kal > flash and Hiya beating JD hahah. never in a million years..... now all we need is Sea to beat SmugZerg
would lmao if both flash and jd dont make it out of ro16
is there anyone (non-kt oz fans) that wouldn't want to see that?
I think that even they might be tired of JD/Flash finals in individual leagues.
Yeah, definitely. I want Jaedong vs Free or Fantasy
You're just scared that Flash will stomp JD again. ^__^
Hehe, well, it does take a toll on your heart after you see it 3 times in a row :p
On December 10 2010 20:52 radialis wrote: .... is there a ceremony contest or something? normally people would be saying how bad mannered that was. i remember when firebathero did shit which was WAY less "in your face" and he received an unbelievable amount of hate.
Well they are teammates. If Hiya did that to some random person he might have gotten some hate (especially entering the booth of his opponent and all), but it's still so hilarious I think it'd be hard for people to be mad.
they already decided to do the drum ceremony depending on who won the game during the lottery selection
On December 10 2010 20:52 radialis wrote: .... is there a ceremony contest or something? normally people would be saying how bad mannered that was. i remember when firebathero did shit which was WAY less "in your face" and he received an unbelievable amount of hate.
JD and Hiya are teammates though. FBH was just being an asshole to Savior.
you could also argue that being team mates makes it worse though. idk how JD wasn't pissed off by that.
they joked about it and it was set in advance that the winner would do the drum ceremony.
Hiya's ceremonies are like... joke-ish. It's not really the IN YOUR FACE type; you can tell that it's meant to be funny. Plus, he doesn't win enough to do a lot of ceremonies, so it's like... a rare gem =]
JD did laugh it off, but he is most likely pissed off inside.
On December 10 2010 20:52 radialis wrote: .... is there a ceremony contest or something? normally people would be saying how bad mannered that was. i remember when firebathero did shit which was WAY less "in your face" and he received an unbelievable amount of hate.
JD and Hiya are teammates though. FBH was just being an asshole to Savior.
you could also argue that being team mates makes it worse though. idk how JD wasn't pissed off by that.
they joked about it and it was set in advance that the winner would do the drum ceremony.
Hiya's ceremonies are like... joke-ish. It's not really the IN YOUR FACE type; you can tell that it's meant to be funny. Plus, he doesn't win enough to do a lot of ceremonies, so it's like... a rare gem =]
JD did laugh it off, but he is most likely pissed off inside.
also might be worth mentioning the drum is a meme re: Jaedong.
For those who didn't watch the group selection ceremony yesterday, + Show Spoiler +
Sea did a parody of a movie scene yesterday and cut off a big snip of his hair in the front. He said he was going to get a haircut before today's game, and that's why his hair's shorter.
On December 10 2010 20:52 radialis wrote: .... is there a ceremony contest or something? normally people would be saying how bad mannered that was. i remember when firebathero did shit which was WAY less "in your face" and he received an unbelievable amount of hate.
JD and Hiya are teammates though. FBH was just being an asshole to Savior.
you could also argue that being team mates makes it worse though. idk how JD wasn't pissed off by that.
they joked about it and it was set in advance that the winner would do the drum ceremony.
Hiya's ceremonies are like... joke-ish. It's not really the IN YOUR FACE type; you can tell that it's meant to be funny. Plus, he doesn't win enough to do a lot of ceremonies, so it's like... a rare gem =]
JD did laugh it off, but he is most likely pissed off inside.
also might be worth mentioning the drum is a meme re: Jaedong.
Jaedong's a pretty good sport. Except when he has to build 4 hatches in your natural after getting BCd.
This was either the worst Bunker rush or the best rush defence in months. All Shine's Drones live to tell the tale while Sea loses Marines, SCV's, Bunker... Now he sets up an expansion at the natural.
Shine with his third hatch at his main near the entrance. SCV roaming around Shine's main sending info back to base. Factory finished, Sea starting his starport
Shine moving up to lair tech Cc being made at Sea's nat now. Starport finishes and is flashing vutlure sitting outside Shine's nat, kills a zergling
Single wraith out for Sea, it's going overlord hunting for now. control tower being added to starport
vultures are laying mines are various areas of the map. Zerglings scouting around the map see the vultures laying mines, they also spot a wraith
Shine morphing in a Spire. Turrets being erected around Sea's base, wraith scouting around Shine's main, sees the spire. Den finished for Shine as he makes hydras
Mutas on their way to Sea's base, he has his turrets up. first vessel out also
Sea looks like he is trying to cut corners with this build, gets one Overlord spy though. Shine uses single Ling to defuse the Mines, adds more Hydras. Sea with a Vessel, but Mutas are out as well. Doesn't look good for Terran.
Irradiate on mutas, Shine splits the infected, tank sniped by mutas. Machine shop spinning, irradiate on mutas again as they advance along with lings and hydras into Sea's nat, scvs pulled and they repair the bunker. Lings run into the main, kill a few marines. Mutas help out
Shine recklessly charging into Terran natural, killing a Bunker, bunch of Marines and SCV's. Sea surrenders! Epic winning streak continues wow! So, right side is 3-0 against left side. Will Hydra deliver?
As they say, if you control the terran's mean of production you basically win. No idea what the hell happened but it definitely worked really well to say the least.
On December 10 2010 21:13 disciple wrote: hahah shine is absolutely the new villain of the scene, there is nothing I like about his play or even his looks
The players don't even like him that much, judging from the MSL ceremony.
On December 10 2010 21:13 5unrise wrote: I think this game sums up day9's "If your opponent goes for something weird, the easiest counter is simply to just go fucking kill him"!
On December 10 2010 21:13 disciple wrote: hahah shine is absolutely the new villain of the scene, there is nothing I like about his play or even his looks
The players don't even like him that much, judging from the MSL ceremony.
Can't stand him.
I actually like him because he was one of the only progamers at that ceremony who could speak without mumbling, and confidently.
On December 10 2010 21:17 chongu wrote: Shine probably does have what it takes to beat any player in a Bo (eso tosses)...... but man...... he needs to stop choking + Show Spoiler +
On December 10 2010 21:01 Holgerius wrote: I am still not convinced that Shine is good.
Prove me wrong Mr. Shine.
did that convince you? It didnt for me :\
Hmmm. He actually showed some really sick defence. Good aggression, good defence, at least he's good at 2 things. I think he's still crap at macro though.
On December 10 2010 21:17 disciple wrote: thing is, his style wont take him anywhere - he will just take down ppl in Bo1 and cause major upsets
After he beat Bisu in EVER OSL, people said he can't win consistently. After he beats Bisu again and has a 10-game winning streak, people said he can't beat a terran. Now he beats Sea, and he still sucks because he can't win a roX? (he's 1-1 btw)
On December 10 2010 21:17 disciple wrote: thing is, his style wont take him anywhere - he will just take down ppl in Bo1 and cause major upsets
After he beat Bisu in EVER OSL, people said he can't win consistently. After he beats Bisu again and has a 10-game winning streak, people said he can't beat a terran. Now he beats Sea, and he still sucks because he can't win a roX? (he's 1-1 btw)
have you seen Shine's late game management ? it happens once a year, cause his games end around the 10 minutes mark ... win or lose
On December 10 2010 21:17 disciple wrote: thing is, his style wont take him anywhere - he will just take down ppl in Bo1 and cause major upsets
After he beat Bisu in EVER OSL, people said he can't win consistently. After he beats Bisu again and has a 10-game winning streak, people said he can't beat a terran. Now he beats Sea, and he still sucks because he can't win a roX? (he's 1-1 btw)
have you seen Shine's late game management ? it happens once a year, cause his games end around the 10 minutes mark ... win or lose
On December 10 2010 21:20 Jackal03 wrote: i'm still uncapable of understending why did sea try a tech build against shine, a player known for his HYPER aggressiveness and all-ins
It's like... he's completely unaffected by the opponent's strategy, and just rolls them with units. I have no idea how >.> watch his game vs Bisu in Winner's League for an example.
Replay shows how useless Sea's 2nd Bunker was. Once Shine killed first one and a Tank at the choke, he just ran units into main, completely bypassing that stronghold. Sadly, Bunkers can't move.
On December 10 2010 21:17 disciple wrote: thing is, his style wont take him anywhere - he will just take down ppl in Bo1 and cause major upsets
After he beat Bisu in EVER OSL, people said he can't win consistently. After he beats Bisu again and has a 10-game winning streak, people said he can't beat a terran. Now he beats Sea, and he still sucks because he can't win a roX? (he's 1-1 btw)
have you seen Shine's late game management ? it happens once a year, cause his games end around the 10 minutes mark ... winor lose
Loving this OSL. Flash and JD can still advance and give us the same old tired finals, but the chance for something different is there. New, fresh, and invigorating.
Also, the July video for those that have not experienced the brilliance.
On December 10 2010 21:20 Jackal03 wrote: i'm still uncapable of understending why did sea try a tech build against shine, a player known for his HYPER aggressiveness and all-ins
This always happens when Sea goes unprepared into a match. He did something really silly against Killer on pathfinder in the previous round as well. Proleague Sea with lots of practice under his belt would just open standard.
On December 10 2010 21:17 disciple wrote: thing is, his style wont take him anywhere - he will just take down ppl in Bo1 and cause major upsets
After he beat Bisu in EVER OSL, people said he can't win consistently. After he beats Bisu again and has a 10-game winning streak, people said he can't beat a terran. Now he beats Sea, and he still sucks because he can't win a roX? (he's 1-1 btw)
have you seen Shine's late game management ? it happens once a year, cause his games end around the 10 minutes mark ... win or lose
hello mister archon, congrats on your 6000 in a lr
On December 10 2010 21:17 disciple wrote: thing is, his style wont take him anywhere - he will just take down ppl in Bo1 and cause major upsets
After he beat Bisu in EVER OSL, people said he can't win consistently. After he beats Bisu again and has a 10-game winning streak, people said he can't beat a terran. Now he beats Sea, and he still sucks because he can't win a roX? (he's 1-1 btw)
have you seen Shine's late game management ? it happens once a year, cause his games end around the 10 minutes mark ... win or lose
hello mister archon, congrats on your 6000 in a lr
:D
oh I was sick of the scout, so I decided to spam my way to the 6000, Zona-style
On December 10 2010 21:20 Jackal03 wrote: i'm still uncapable of understending why did sea try a tech build against shine, a player known for his HYPER aggressiveness and all-ins
This always happens when Sea goes unprepared into a match. Proleague Sea with lots of practice under his belt would just open standard.
Sea was unprepared? He proxy-raxed in an amazing position, and had a specific build order to tech up quickly. Not to mention that he had almost a week to prepare for the OSL.
On December 10 2010 21:16 Hyde wrote: LOL, that clip of July is so mean XsebT
what was it i wasnt watching and didnt see it > _ >
Search for it on youtube, it'll be better than me describing it and you'll probably get a laugh out of it :D It's mean though haha Never mind Ikonn got it for you
On December 10 2010 21:20 Jackal03 wrote: i'm still uncapable of understending why did sea try a tech build against shine, a player known for his HYPER aggressiveness and all-ins
This always happens when Sea goes unprepared into a match. Proleague Sea with lots of practice under his belt would just open standard.
Sea was unprepared? He proxy-raxed in an amazing position, and had a specific build order to tech up quickly. Not to mention that he had almost a week to prepare for the OSL.
A build that was not refined clearly. MBC has already had 2 proleague matches this week. I don't expect that he got much practice on Icarus, especially after an MSL ceremony that took up an entire day.
On December 10 2010 21:20 Jackal03 wrote: i'm still uncapable of understending why did sea try a tech build against shine, a player known for his HYPER aggressiveness and all-ins
This always happens when Sea goes unprepared into a match. Proleague Sea with lots of practice under his belt would just open standard.
Sea was unprepared? He proxy-raxed in an amazing position, and had a specific build order to tech up quickly. Not to mention that he had almost a week to prepare for the OSL.
A build that was not refined clearly. MBC has already has 2 proleague matches this week. I don't expect that he got much practice on Icarus, especially after an MSL ceremony that took up an entire day.
...that Shine also attended. Not even I'm going to argue that Shine is naturally more talented than Sea is. Sea just got completely outplayed that game.
On December 10 2010 21:20 Jackal03 wrote: i'm still uncapable of understending why did sea try a tech build against shine, a player known for his HYPER aggressiveness and all-ins
This always happens when Sea goes unprepared into a match. Proleague Sea with lots of practice under his belt would just open standard.
Sea was unprepared? He proxy-raxed in an amazing position, and had a specific build order to tech up quickly. Not to mention that he had almost a week to prepare for the OSL.
A build that was not refined clearly. MBC has already has 2 proleague matches this week. I don't expect that he got much practice on Icarus, especially after an MSL ceremony that took up an entire day.
...that Shine also attended. Not even I'm going to argue that Shine is naturally more talented than Sea is. Sea just got completely outplayed that game.
Sure Sea got outplayed because he made so many mistakes and Shine didn;t. If you don't think Sea made several errors of judgment that he normally would not have made then I don't know what game you were watching.
On December 10 2010 21:20 Jackal03 wrote: i'm still uncapable of understending why did sea try a tech build against shine, a player known for his HYPER aggressiveness and all-ins
This always happens when Sea goes unprepared into a match. Proleague Sea with lots of practice under his belt would just open standard.
Sea was unprepared? He proxy-raxed in an amazing position, and had a specific build order to tech up quickly. Not to mention that he had almost a week to prepare for the OSL.
A build that was not refined clearly. MBC has already has 2 proleague matches this week. I don't expect that he got much practice on Icarus, especially after an MSL ceremony that took up an entire day.
...that Shine also attended. Not even I'm going to argue that Shine is naturally more talented than Sea is. Sea just got completely outplayed that game.
Sure Sea got outplayed because he made so many mistakes and Shine didn;t. If you don't think Sea made several errors of judgment that he normally would not have made then I don't know what game you were watching.
Thing is, he normally makes these mistakes in individual leagues.
On December 10 2010 21:20 Jackal03 wrote: i'm still uncapable of understending why did sea try a tech build against shine, a player known for his HYPER aggressiveness and all-ins
This always happens when Sea goes unprepared into a match. Proleague Sea with lots of practice under his belt would just open standard.
Sea was unprepared? He proxy-raxed in an amazing position, and had a specific build order to tech up quickly. Not to mention that he had almost a week to prepare for the OSL.
A build that was not refined clearly. MBC has already has 2 proleague matches this week. I don't expect that he got much practice on Icarus, especially after an MSL ceremony that took up an entire day.
...that Shine also attended. Not even I'm going to argue that Shine is naturally more talented than Sea is. Sea just got completely outplayed that game.
Sure Sea got outplayed because he made so many mistakes and Shine didn;t. If you don't think Sea made several errors of judgment that he normally would not have made then I don't know what game you were watching.
On December 10 2010 21:20 Jackal03 wrote: i'm still uncapable of understending why did sea try a tech build against shine, a player known for his HYPER aggressiveness and all-ins
This always happens when Sea goes unprepared into a match. Proleague Sea with lots of practice under his belt would just open standard.
Sea was unprepared? He proxy-raxed in an amazing position, and had a specific build order to tech up quickly. Not to mention that he had almost a week to prepare for the OSL.
A build that was not refined clearly. MBC has already has 2 proleague matches this week. I don't expect that he got much practice on Icarus, especially after an MSL ceremony that took up an entire day.
...that Shine also attended. Not even I'm going to argue that Shine is naturally more talented than Sea is. Sea just got completely outplayed that game.
Sure Sea got outplayed because he made so many mistakes and Shine didn;t. If you don't think Sea made several errors of judgment that he normally would not have made then I don't know what game you were watching.
how is that a defense of sea at all -_-
How was I defending Sea's play? I said he should have prepared better and made better judgments. Not sure why you're disagreeing with me on this.
Overlord is heading in the wrong way, Probe moves out and places the first pylon at the nat Looks like Free is going to find Hydra first.
Forge goes down for Free, two cannons placed soon after and rightly so as Hydra put his pool down first. Zerglings are made and are on their way to Free's base
Free putting down his nexus. Gateway warps in just as the zerglings arrive
Woah! Nexus was cancel? Free starting his nex again, Hydra has taken his nat and places his third at 5
On December 10 2010 21:33 pvzvt wrote: despite the underdog mood that is setting here free wont lose this free vs zerg is a match u cant win with pure shenanigans
you could say that about bisu v z. fantasy v z. flash v p
On December 10 2010 21:20 Jackal03 wrote: i'm still uncapable of understending why did sea try a tech build against shine, a player known for his HYPER aggressiveness and all-ins
This always happens when Sea goes unprepared into a match. Proleague Sea with lots of practice under his belt would just open standard.
Sea was unprepared? He proxy-raxed in an amazing position, and had a specific build order to tech up quickly. Not to mention that he had almost a week to prepare for the OSL.
A build that was not refined clearly. MBC has already has 2 proleague matches this week. I don't expect that he got much practice on Icarus, especially after an MSL ceremony that took up an entire day.
...that Shine also attended. Not even I'm going to argue that Shine is naturally more talented than Sea is. Sea just got completely outplayed that game.
Sure Sea got outplayed because he made so many mistakes and Shine didn;t. If you don't think Sea made several errors of judgment that he normally would not have made then I don't know what game you were watching.
how is that a defense of sea at all -_-
How was I defending Sea's play? I said he should have prepared better and made better judgments. Not sure why you're disagreeing with me on this.
Sorry, I'm in auto-praise Shine mode right now. Euphoria is getting to me.
Free emulating Paralyze's successful Cannon placement on this map. He is laughing for some reason. A minor mistake? Oh, Nexus seals him in :-P Scouting Probe escapes it's fate, moves back to mining.
LOL, so he cancelled the Nexus? Idra's strategic inspiration?
Why do progamers never attack an enemy scouting drone that goes through their mineral lines? Is it because disrupting their own workers messes up their build order timing?
Hydra moving up to Lair, Overlord moving through Free's main and sees the stargate warping in. Spire beings morphing in Hydra's main, 2 zealots out for Free, they guard the entrance to the nat
Adun warping in now. Hatchery placed at the nat and the third for Hydra has he prepares his sim city. He also takes his fourth at 4, sair out killing an overlord
On December 10 2010 21:36 doothegee wrote: Why do progamers never attack an enemy scouting drone that goes through their mineral lines? Is it because disrupting their own workers messes up their build order timing?
i guess its cause its not worth it, if you don't do at the exact same time you'll lose a lot of mining time (as your workers runs for the scouting worker) + you have to reorganize them
On December 10 2010 21:38 Biff The Understudy wrote: Free learning from Idra. I hope he will nerd rage, insult his opponent, make hilarious sarcastic comments and rage quit without gg now.
forge is spinning, cannons being warped in at Free's main, sair narrowly escaping with it's life.
Hydra has mutas out, another sair narrowly escaping with its life. Nevermind, spoke too soon, mutas kill one sair
Zealots en route to Hydra's third, but an overlord spots them! Zealots retreat as mutas pick off a few. Sairs scare off the mutas for now. 2 sunkens placed at the third, archon out Free has 5 gates
Mutas enter into the main, first cannon down, second cannon down. Probes run, sairs dodge scourge. Archon arrives to defend against this air raid
I wonder how Free is going to move out with his forces. His simcity really locks him in. Nightmary Muta flak chases the Zealots. Free already has six Gateways! But Mutas own Zealots. Thankfully there are Corsairs and Archon to defend.
Hydra making a lot of hydras, , zealots move out again, they run into the hydras, zealots retreat as there are too many. Free takes his third at 2. Hydras engage zealots, Free doesn't look too happy
Hydras arrive at the nat, archons go down, so do the zealots Hydras make short work and Free is not happy, Hydras are in the nat blowing up probes. This looks over as the hydras enter the main
lol Free S Class you must be kidding man. Dude has been blowing chunks at PvZ for a long time, I honestly can't remember a single amazing PvZ from him in 2010.
On December 10 2010 21:51 Musoeun wrote: I went 2/4 on Day 1 and that was bad. I went 1/4 on Day 2 and this is worse. I assume I'll go 0/4 on Day 3, and vote accordingly.
Who did you get right? I got Stork and Calm D1, Shine D2.
What the hell at the results. This is not what I wanted to see when I woke up this morning.
This is bringing back really bad memories of EVER 2008, when BackHo and JD were in the same OSL group (the last Oz teamkill I remember), and JD got knocked out. T_T
So from what I read in the LR thread, JD did a fail simcity or something? Can someone explain why? Also, why can't HiyA play like this in PL -_-.
If JD gets himself knocked out, I guess Flash is an autolock for the 4th OSL, unless Stork or Fantasy can take him down.
This OSL sucks. As if it wasn't bad enough that we got a whole bunch of mediocre players in the RO16, now we've got several top players who are at a risk of being eliminated. Lucky for Flash, the rest of his group sucks so that loss to Kal shouldn't be a big deal, but Jaedong, Sea, and Fantasy are in serious trouble.
Oh well, maybe we'll get to see a Flash vs. Stork finals.
On December 10 2010 22:59 DarkMatter_ wrote: This OSL sucks. As if it wasn't bad enough that we got a whole bunch of mediocre players in the RO16, now we've got several top players who are at a risk of being eliminated. Lucky for Flash, the rest of his group sucks so that loss to Kal shouldn't be a big deal, but Jaedong, Sea, and Fantasy are in serious trouble.
Oh well, maybe we'll get to see a Flash vs. Stork finals.
Yes, my greatest fear is that we get a final with 2 mediocre players.
It's bad enough that OSL lost a lot of goodwill by moving the finals to Shanghai and then date/security concerns meant less than 1000 pple could watch it live.
I'm only surprised JD lost. But teamkills can always go either way.
Most of the maps have been good for zerg. And although Paralyze vs Hyuk was on Gladiator, Paralyze is very inexperienced compared to the relative veteran.
Although it'd be disappointing to have a finals between non-top players, I think I'd still like it more than FvJ. It's not as if most of FvJ was impressive, if you ignore the pre-hype. As long as it's not another Avalon.
Please tell me there's some ungodly ridiculous maps that destroy terran so that Flash could lose again. Other than the one that was already played I guess. The new maps aren't so balanced.
Gah my Lb. Free seems to be in some kind of slump after his series with flash last osl. I didn't watch this game but he seems to lose games he shouldn't and his recent wins in pl have been sort've shaky :c
On December 10 2010 21:42 konadora wrote: quote if you have 0/4 liquibet
QFT. Free had been playing well, JD is JD, Paralyze gets the autovote (plus Hyuk isn't really that great and afrotoss doesn't seem to bad), and I didn't see shine beating sea, that dude is on one hell of a role here.
I am actually amazed that people don't realize how good HiYa is when he's on. He's slumped a bit recently but hiya can put up some seriously S-class games and if he gains just a bit more consistency he could be regarded as one of the best Terrans in the game.
Um, Jaedong let Hiya win that match because JD is so confident he can advance over the other players in the group. Because JD purposefully set Hiya up for the win, it will allow them both to advance to RO8. You heard it here first.
wow I have 0/4 here, even though Hyuk's ZvP is his only stable match-up he was doing sooooo bad lately I didn't think he could win even one game. Also cool to see Hyuk vs Paralyze and Jaedong vs Hiya even though "team kill" sux, still curious of seeing them play each other.
I have 1/3, as you can guess it's because of Shine. X_X I knew that dude would win, cause he wants to WIN GAMES, not simply to play good.
Didn't liquibet on Jaedong vs Hiya. Seriously, wtf is with his micro. Maybe he really has some problem with his body? (I've heard he had complained about it on Twitter after his loss vs Hydra)
Some micro in this match was really like... WTF? It's absolutely uncharacteristic of him... =/ Hiya as far as I have seen played semi all-inish style of "SK Terran" heavy army from 2 bases. JD lost gas in main, lost tons of scourge in vain (like 1/10 of them could hit the vessels, at most) and didn't make swarm in his main when it was dropped, because of this WTF placement of hatcheries that blocked his defilers from coming there X___X .
And wtf with his multitask... He reacted to drops poorly, and all this scourge lost in vain - he'd better use it to map control. Really, that play by a player that can be really outstanding, makes me sad.
I bet on Paralyze but Hyuk just killed him without a chance.
I bet on free, I didn't see the game but i see the recommendation and i guess Free just lost to hydra (i mean units, not player :D ) push or some crap like this right? X_X
On December 10 2010 18:55 ariK wrote: I want the players on the left side to win ^^
LOL, add this inside the spoiler, because this, being at the start of this topic, strongly delivers :D
And hydra is a zerg who SUDDENLY can play ZvT (ZvP is usual for zergs, but ZvT 10-5 winrate is just very good, especially when among your opponents are Leta and Fantasy)
On December 11 2010 04:50 _Quasar_ wrote: I think Stork and Shine will both advance, and what is more, Shine on the first place.
About JD's group - something is definitely up with JD's play and if he plays that bad next 2 games he might drop out right here and now.
He didn't play all that bad, HiyA really abused his knowledge of JD's play. His drop timings and angles were very well prepared. That first drop was absolutely perfect timing and he did a good job skirting around the ol's ans scourge. No credit away from HiyA, he played excellently, but thats what you get in a team kill. Nothings up with JD's play, he's still a favorite to advance
On December 11 2010 02:06 asdfTT123 wrote: Um, Jaedong let Hiya win that match because JD is so confident he can advance over the other players in the group. Because JD purposefully set Hiya up for the win, it will allow them both to advance to RO8. You heard it here first.
You can be as confident as you want, but in the end ZvZ's can be crapshoots so I wouldn't put it past HoGiL and Clam to pull off the upset.
On December 11 2010 04:50 _Quasar_ wrote: I think Stork and Shine will both advance, and what is more, Shine on the first place.
About JD's group - something is definitely up with JD's play and if he plays that bad next 2 games he might drop out right here and now.
He didn't play all that bad, HiyA really abused his knowledge of JD's play. His drop timings and angles were very well prepared. That first drop was absolutely perfect timing and he did a good job skirting around the ol's ans scourge. No credit away from HiyA, he played excellently, but thats what you get in a team kill. Nothings up with JD's play, he's still a favorite to advance
But that freaking simcity! And JD's irraded lurkers killing his own workers and not burrowing! And 238576287 of scourge and 234578962347856283746789 of lings suicided into mms. Hiya played well, I see! But JD played lower level than we all are used to ((
so it's not a OZ vs KHAN, now it's going to be OZ vs FOX on 11 December, 13-00 KST? I could make that but i guess i won't get up early enough (it's 7:00 in Moscow when it starts O.O)
wow I can't believe how many upsets are happening this OSL. I think only 3/8 of the games the favorite won (stork vs mind, calm vs hogil, hyuk vs paralyze), and 2 of those "favorites" were barely favorites anyway (calm/hyuk). Hopefully this OSL continues to shake things up. I really want someone else who isnt JD/flash to win an OSL this season.
On December 11 2010 06:00 _Quasar_ wrote: so it's not a OZ vs KHAN, now it's going to be OZ vs FOX on 11 December, 13-00 KST? I could make that but i guess i won't get up early enough (it's 7:00 in Moscow when it starts O.O)
Well, I gotta go zzzzz now. If you know someone else who wants to make it, pls PM them the info if the TL calendar doesn't get updated. thanks!
On December 11 2010 06:08 Ideas wrote: wow I can't believe how many upsets are happening this OSL. I think only 3/8 of the games the favorite won (stork vs mind, calm vs hogil, hyuk vs paralyze), and 2 of those "favorites" were barely favorites anyway (calm/hyuk). Hopefully this OSL continues to shake things up. I really want someone else who isnt JD/flash to win an OSL this season.
Maybe one of the two kings of silver will win an OSL.
Hahahaha, I think JD might have "accidentally" thrown that game. Pros don't make that kind of mistake with building placement.... Especially ZvT. The drum ceremony was just too good though
Also, it makes it so both players can advance in their rounds!
On December 11 2010 10:53 meegrean wrote: what's with all the upsets?
This OSL is meant to troll us. Although I hope JD and Flash drop out of their groups so we can have a new champion. Hopefully a protoss but most likely a zerg.
Why does it seem like Jaedong hasn't been playing like Jaedong for a month or two now? I keep seeing him playing sloppy and looking frustrated. He looked so depressed halfway through his game with Hiya here.
On December 11 2010 09:55 Gummy wrote: Hahahaha, I think JD might have "accidentally" thrown that game. Pros don't make that kind of mistake with building placement.... Especially ZvT. The drum ceremony was just too good though
Also, it makes it so both players can advance in their rounds!
They do make mistakes like that occasionaly. Even worse mistakes sometimes.
On December 11 2010 09:55 Gummy wrote: Hahahaha, I think JD might have "accidentally" thrown that game. Pros don't make that kind of mistake with building placement.... Especially ZvT. The drum ceremony was just too good though
Also, it makes it so both players can advance in their rounds!
They do make mistakes like that occasionaly. Even worse mistakes sometimes.
honestly though that spire placement was just so retarded :\
I'm not a particular fan of Shine but I don't think he gets enough credit for his attacking ability. That counter-attack was well-timed to catch a player Sea's caliber off guard and that kind of thing takes a lot of instinct and balls to pull off.
Im just going to say that cancelling the nexus and rebuilding it lost the game for free. That's 100 minerals down the drain + maybe 200-300 minerals of mining time. Basically gave hydra a free base.
Cuz drums represent a funny meme of jaedong. It is sort of like if Calm and Kal were playing each other, and Calm lost, Kal comes to Calm's booth with bunch of clams.
I don't quite understand why he would do this after winning against a teammate
It's a visualization of one of Jaedong's nicknames, 이제동네북 (literally meaning Lee Jae (Dong) neighborhood drum)). This appeared during that mid-2008 to pre-Batoo OSL 2009 when Jaedong wasn't doing so good. He was doing bad enough that fans felt like his opponents just "beat" him too often. At least that's how i think it came about (limited knowledge on this issue).
Hiya's the latest one now to "beat the neighborhood drum." Making Jaedong waste his 붕어빵 (fish-shaped bread filled with red-bean paste that Jaedong was planning to eat after he beat "the Magikarp") was bonus.
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Let's see if he'll let his fans down.
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