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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
December 08 2010 04:36 GMT
#241
it's worse because bisu has gone +1 speedlots in every single pvz this season :\
renzy
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada781 Posts
December 08 2010 04:37 GMT
#242
On December 08 2010 13:35 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 13:34 renzy wrote:
On December 08 2010 13:33 Lightwip wrote:
Interesting all-in, I might try it some time.
But damn it Bisu I hate watching you all-in, it isn't a good style to have.
Unless he's trying to discourage his opponents from going too greedy?


I would not say that's all in. Bisu cut probes to get his 4 gates up. But I think once the gates are up and running, Bisu shouldn't have to cut that many probes to sustain zealot production. By the time he pushed out, he's got 3 corsairs already, so it's not THAT early and he didn't cut THAT many probes.

The problem is he had no templar archives. That and cutting probes makes it an all-in.


Bisu's 2 gate build (the one he uses recently) gets templar archive very late too. He goes stargate, +1, corsair, citadel, corsair, SPEED, then archive. I don't think his templar archive timing was too different from his builds lately, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Bisu is the man
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
December 08 2010 04:37 GMT
#243
On December 08 2010 13:35 Musoeun wrote:
Okay, why is Game 2 written as "don't bother"? I realize it wasn't the best game ever, was over quickly, basic strategic error -> loss... but it was still a sweet build from Bisu and a really exciting game overall.


well, Im the bisu fan around here, and seriously the game isnt worth watching for the neutral viewer, zero went 4 hatch spire, or smth like that, bisu hit a very cool timing with his attack, but it was just a hard counter all-in to what zero did
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
December 08 2010 04:37 GMT
#244
On December 08 2010 13:35 Musoeun wrote:
Okay, why is Game 2 written as "don't bother"? I realize it wasn't the best game ever, was over quickly, basic strategic error -> loss... but it was still a sweet build from Bisu and a really exciting game overall.

Because it was rather one-sided, and not every game that Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong win is spectacular.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
December 08 2010 04:37 GMT
#245
On December 08 2010 13:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
That was the greediest shit I've ever seen. Jesus, Zero. You went for six hatcheries before your first mutas even popped out...


What's probably more ridiculous is that if he had gone 5 hatch + 12 lings, he might have delayed the zealots enough to hold. Of such decisions are defeats born.

Or not - he didn't have any way to keep his OLs alive, one way or the other.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 08 2010 04:38 GMT
#246
On December 08 2010 13:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
That was the greediest shit I've ever seen. Jesus, Zero. You went for six hatcheries before your first mutas even popped out...

To be honest, maybe that was what Bisu was counting on. I mean, everyone acknowledges that he's a PvZ god, and the best way to stop that considering his insane scouting skill is to go ultra greedy. Which Zero attempted.
That being said, I'm not fond of the all-in.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
December 08 2010 04:39 GMT
#247
On December 08 2010 13:33 King K. Rool wrote:
Lack of sim city + long distance to fly to third killed him. Mostly the former I'd say.


What? Did you see how early those 4 gates were and how many probes Bisu was cutting? And how Zero only scouted the first 4 zealots but not the second batch of around 10? Bisu had twice as many zealots as Zero was expecting. Zero was also doing a super greedy 6 hatch build. Everything worked perfectly for Bisu. More sim city wouldn't have done much at all. He'd already blocked with every building that he placed anyway, including his spire.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
December 08 2010 04:39 GMT
#248
On December 08 2010 13:30 Mascherano wrote:
Bisu always rapes Zero, it's so funny.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&league=standard&vs=Z#tblt-9964-1-default-0-zero
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
December 08 2010 04:40 GMT
#249
Beesuit so handsome <3
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
Jojee
Profile Joined April 2010
26 Posts
December 08 2010 04:40 GMT
#250
next game...predictions?
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
December 08 2010 04:40 GMT
#251
On December 08 2010 13:39 BlackMagister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 13:30 Mascherano wrote:
Bisu always rapes Zero, it's so funny.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&league=standard&vs=Z#tblt-9964-1-default-0-zero

rofl
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
December 08 2010 04:40 GMT
#252
On December 08 2010 13:37 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 13:35 Musoeun wrote:
Okay, why is Game 2 written as "don't bother"? I realize it wasn't the best game ever, was over quickly, basic strategic error -> loss... but it was still a sweet build from Bisu and a really exciting game overall.


well, Im the bisu fan around here, and seriously the game isnt worth watching for the neutral viewer, zero went 4 hatch spire, or smth like that, bisu hit a very cool timing with his attack, but it was just a hard counter all-in to what zero did


Maybe I'm more easily entertained then, as I consider myself a fairly neutral observer in that matchup - if anything I'd be rooting for ZerO. I guess I find a win that brutally easy just as interesting as the 30-minute macro-fests that usually get attention.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 04:42:40
December 08 2010 04:40 GMT
#253

edit: nvm fail search engine defaulted to zerg instead of ZerO

Go FantaSy next plz!!
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
December 08 2010 04:40 GMT
#254
PLEASE SEND OUT PARALYZE!!!
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
December 08 2010 04:41 GMT
#255
On December 08 2010 13:34 Zona wrote:
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On December 08 2010 13:32 Random_0 wrote:
Wow.

Awesome game by Bisu. Complete changeup, going 4-gate zealot.

But couldn't Zero have scouted just a little bit? Sac an OL or a muta?

muta would have been way too late - when he had his first muta the zealots were already knocking on his 3rd

if zero did give up an OL to see the gates he probably would have been in way better position
but he greedily added a 6th hatch at his 3rd...

If my memory is correct, Zero had lost plenty of zvp's in the past, be couse of that extra sixth hatchery, didn't he?
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 04:43:15
December 08 2010 04:41 GMT
#256
On December 08 2010 13:40 Jojee wrote:
next game...predictions?


fantasy > Really.

EDIT: After consulting some stats, either fantasy > free or fantasy < Soulkey is more likely.

EDIT: As I'm writing this I see s2 vs free. I guess that makes sense too, though why s2?
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9781 Posts
December 08 2010 04:41 GMT
#257
S2
<3
boomer hands
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 04:42:13
December 08 2010 04:41 GMT
#258
cant tell who's the stars player...
craton and his miniscreen >.>
boomer hands
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
December 08 2010 04:42 GMT
#259
free's got this.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 08 2010 04:42 GMT
#260
s2 vs free
brood war for life, brood war forever
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