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On December 08 2010 09:42 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there. TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV Yeah, I guess you've got a point. The guy only has the highest TvT career record ever (with a winning percentage of 73.5%) and the highest TvT record for the past year (at 84% from individual leagues, and 75.5% including all standard events). He's fucking terrible at TvT, dunno why KT keeps him around.
grats on 8k man
flash is pretty good, it's just that nobody except flash and sometimes stats is capable of winning
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Not gonna lie, kinda happy to see Flash lose a game for once.
(Obviously, he's still legendary.)
Does this mean that, this season, Jaedong and Bisu have better records than him now? 
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Very good games. That Flash game was something else. Great job.
What I can't understand is, in the first and only big BC clash, why did Flash allow his left side of the BCs to just get POUNDED by those goliaths? why not go up the ramp? Those goliaths were doing SO much damage to his BCs.
Anyway, good games though. 
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On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there. TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV
So you've seen.... zero of Flash's games? Is that it?
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On December 08 2010 09:43 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 09:42 moopie wrote:On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there. TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV Yeah, I guess you've got a point. The guy only has the highest TvT career record ever (with a winning percentage of 73.5%) and the highest TvT record for the past year (at 84% from individual leagues, and 75.5% including all standard events). He's fucking terrible at TvT, dunno why KT keeps him around. grats on 8k man flash is pretty good, it's just that nobody except flash and sometimes stats is capable of winning
Point taken.
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On December 08 2010 09:45 cca1ss1e wrote:Very good games. That Flash game was something else. Great job. What I can't understand is, in the first and only big BC clash, why did Flash allow his left side of the BCs to just get POUNDED by those goliaths? why not go up the ramp? Those goliaths were doing SO much damage to his BCs. Anyway, good games though.
If he did, then he would then need to retreat with the BCs, when he is backing off with BCs, he won't be able to attack things and Light still has a fair amount of BCs himself so by the time when Flash makes it back to the ramp to get "away" from the Golis, Light's BCs might have already killed a few of Flash's BCs OR simply backed off and waited for Flash to come out and then fight them another time (Light's economy is like 6K in Minerals while Flash was around 1K, he could've easily made another 10 BCs).
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Rofl, Release is my new favourite poster on TL. What a comedian!
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On December 08 2010 09:50 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 09:45 cca1ss1e wrote:Very good games. That Flash game was something else. Great job. What I can't understand is, in the first and only big BC clash, why did Flash allow his left side of the BCs to just get POUNDED by those goliaths? why not go up the ramp? Those goliaths were doing SO much damage to his BCs. Anyway, good games though. If he did, then he would then need to retreat with the BCs, when he is backing off with BCs, he won't be able to attack things and Light still has a fair amount of BCs himself so by the time when Flash makes it back to the ramp to get "away" from the Golis, Light's BCs might have already killed a few of Flash's BCs OR simply backed off and waited for Flash to come out and then fight them another time (Light's economy is like 6K in Minerals while Flash was around 1K, he could've easily made another 10 BCs).
Yea, who knows how much damage Light could have done to Flash's BC fleet while he slowly (like BC-slow) make his way back upramp =/
Anw, Flash might not know it, but i dont think there was any chance of Light losing that game.. he could have just A-moved into Flash army, and make another back home, while Flash roll over n die (he could have made like.. 3 BCs at best? =/)
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KTfans =\= Flash Fans ..
MBC HWAITING!
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I wonder if Flash ever gets to late game TvT in practice with the likes of ForGG and Suny.
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On December 08 2010 09:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Not gonna lie, kinda happy to see Flash lose a game for once. (Obviously, he's still legendary.) Does this mean that, this season, Jaedong and Bisu have better records than him now?
Bisu, yes
Jaedong has dropped quite a few games so no
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I just caught Hyun's game - amazing stuff. Those who missed it should watch it. Moktira already has it up (and thanks).
On December 08 2010 09:45 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there. TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV So you've seen.... zero of Flash's games? Is that it?
seriously...Flash's micro and macro weak?
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On December 08 2010 13:22 Zona wrote:I just caught Hyun's game - amazing stuff. Those who missed it should watch it. Moktira already has it up (and thanks). Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 09:45 ch33psh33p wrote:On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there. TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV So you've seen.... zero of Flash's games? Is that it? seriously...Flash's micro and macro weak?
I think that's the first time I've ever seen the words Flash macro and weak used in the same sentence.
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On December 08 2010 16:06 ZavikZyke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 13:22 Zona wrote:I just caught Hyun's game - amazing stuff. Those who missed it should watch it. Moktira already has it up (and thanks). On December 08 2010 09:45 ch33psh33p wrote:On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there. TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV So you've seen.... zero of Flash's games? Is that it? seriously...Flash's micro and macro weak? I think that's the first time I've ever seen the words Flash macro and weak used in the same sentence.
That's the second time for me.
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BTW caught myself on a thought that Flash reminds me Ole Einar Bjoerndalen in biathlon.
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On December 08 2010 07:38 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 02:57 infinity2k9 wrote:
Flash's tendency to fall at a disadvantage in a TvT only to catch up later was going to bite back sooner or later in my opinion. There's been at least 3 games that come to mind where his opponent made heavy mistakes to allow him back into the game lategame, but Light kept his cool and held it out. This is nothing like that. Flash had the advantage after expanding and blocking the 2 port, but he allowed Light to double expo without doing anything. In the end, it came down to drops followed by BCs. Flash has been known to lose games once they reach that stage. BC TvT should be outlawed 
Yes, so in this case Light's double expo was the reason for Flash's disadvantage wasn't it? I didn't mean just early game disadvantages. Flash has managed to pull out of heavily disadvantaged situations numerous times because of opponents not playing correctly with the upper hand, but Light in this case was patient and won. If i recall correctly Leta was also up one base with superior supply before that ridiculous move of flying 50 supply worth of dropships in turrets. Other games didn't have moves that bad, but Flash being a base down or inferior supply was not unusual last season.
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