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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
December 08 2010 00:43 GMT
#1021
On December 08 2010 09:42 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:
On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:
On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen

You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there.

TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV

Yeah, I guess you've got a point. The guy only has the highest TvT career record ever (with a winning percentage of 73.5%) and the highest TvT record for the past year (at 84% from individual leagues, and 75.5% including all standard events). He's fucking terrible at TvT, dunno why KT keeps him around.

grats on 8k man

flash is pretty good, it's just that nobody except flash and sometimes stats is capable of winning
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46651 Posts
December 08 2010 00:44 GMT
#1022
Not gonna lie, kinda happy to see Flash lose a game for once.
(Obviously, he's still legendary.)

Does this mean that, this season, Jaedong and Bisu have better records than him now?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
December 08 2010 00:45 GMT
#1023
Very good games. That Flash game was something else. Great job.

What I can't understand is, in the first and only big BC clash, why did Flash allow his left side of the BCs to just get POUNDED by those goliaths? why not go up the ramp? Those goliaths were doing SO much damage to his BCs.

Anyway, good games though.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
December 08 2010 00:45 GMT
#1024
On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:
On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen

You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there.

TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV


So you've seen.... zero of Flash's games? Is that it?
secret - never again
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
December 08 2010 00:46 GMT
#1025
On December 08 2010 09:43 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 09:42 moopie wrote:
On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:
On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:
On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen

You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there.

TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV

Yeah, I guess you've got a point. The guy only has the highest TvT career record ever (with a winning percentage of 73.5%) and the highest TvT record for the past year (at 84% from individual leagues, and 75.5% including all standard events). He's fucking terrible at TvT, dunno why KT keeps him around.

grats on 8k man

flash is pretty good, it's just that nobody except flash and sometimes stats is capable of winning


Point taken.
☺
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 08 2010 00:50 GMT
#1026
On December 08 2010 09:45 cca1ss1e wrote:
Very good games. That Flash game was something else. Great job.

What I can't understand is, in the first and only big BC clash, why did Flash allow his left side of the BCs to just get POUNDED by those goliaths? why not go up the ramp? Those goliaths were doing SO much damage to his BCs.

Anyway, good games though.


If he did, then he would then need to retreat with the BCs, when he is backing off with BCs, he won't be able to attack things and Light still has a fair amount of BCs himself so by the time when Flash makes it back to the ramp to get "away" from the Golis, Light's BCs might have already killed a few of Flash's BCs OR simply backed off and waited for Flash to come out and then fight them another time (Light's economy is like 6K in Minerals while Flash was around 1K, he could've easily made another 10 BCs).
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 08 2010 00:58 GMT
#1027
Rofl, Release is my new favourite poster on TL. What a comedian!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 01:52:46
December 08 2010 01:50 GMT
#1028
On December 08 2010 09:50 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 09:45 cca1ss1e wrote:
Very good games. That Flash game was something else. Great job.

What I can't understand is, in the first and only big BC clash, why did Flash allow his left side of the BCs to just get POUNDED by those goliaths? why not go up the ramp? Those goliaths were doing SO much damage to his BCs.

Anyway, good games though.


If he did, then he would then need to retreat with the BCs, when he is backing off with BCs, he won't be able to attack things and Light still has a fair amount of BCs himself so by the time when Flash makes it back to the ramp to get "away" from the Golis, Light's BCs might have already killed a few of Flash's BCs OR simply backed off and waited for Flash to come out and then fight them another time (Light's economy is like 6K in Minerals while Flash was around 1K, he could've easily made another 10 BCs).


Yea, who knows how much damage Light could have done to Flash's BC fleet while he slowly (like BC-slow) make his way back upramp =/

Anw, Flash might not know it, but i dont think there was any chance of Light losing that game.. he could have just A-moved into Flash army, and make another back home, while Flash roll over n die (he could have made like.. 3 BCs at best? =/)
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
December 08 2010 02:23 GMT
#1029
KTfans =\= Flash Fans ..

MBC HWAITING!
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 02:39:13
December 08 2010 02:29 GMT
#1030
I wonder if Flash ever gets to late game TvT in practice with the likes of ForGG and Suny.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
December 08 2010 02:38 GMT
#1031
On December 08 2010 09:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Not gonna lie, kinda happy to see Flash lose a game for once.
(Obviously, he's still legendary.)

Does this mean that, this season, Jaedong and Bisu have better records than him now?


Bisu, yes

Jaedong has dropped quite a few games so no
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 08 2010 04:22 GMT
#1032
I just caught Hyun's game - amazing stuff. Those who missed it should watch it. Moktira already has it up (and thanks).

On December 08 2010 09:45 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:
On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:
On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen

You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there.

TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV


So you've seen.... zero of Flash's games? Is that it?

seriously...Flash's micro and macro weak?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
ZavikZyke
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States382 Posts
December 08 2010 07:06 GMT
#1033
On December 08 2010 13:22 Zona wrote:
I just caught Hyun's game - amazing stuff. Those who missed it should watch it. Moktira already has it up (and thanks).

Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 09:45 ch33psh33p wrote:
On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:
On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:
On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen

You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there.

TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV


So you've seen.... zero of Flash's games? Is that it?

seriously...Flash's micro and macro weak?

I think that's the first time I've ever seen the words Flash macro and weak used in the same sentence.
Hoejja is Bonjwa
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 07:27:05
December 08 2010 07:26 GMT
#1034
On December 08 2010 16:06 ZavikZyke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 13:22 Zona wrote:
I just caught Hyun's game - amazing stuff. Those who missed it should watch it. Moktira already has it up (and thanks).

On December 08 2010 09:45 ch33psh33p wrote:
On December 08 2010 09:36 Release wrote:
On December 08 2010 09:09 moopie wrote:
On December 08 2010 08:57 Release wrote:
Light has monster Macro and Flash has weak TvT from what i've seen

You clearly haven't seen much. Flash is a monster at TvT, far more so than Light (and any other player, short of possibly Skyhigh, but that's debatable). His shortfall is BC endgame occasionally, I don't think he practices it too much since it rarely gets there.

TvT usually end up at super macro/micro and Flash's micro/macro seems weak from his FPV


So you've seen.... zero of Flash's games? Is that it?

seriously...Flash's micro and macro weak?

I think that's the first time I've ever seen the words Flash macro and weak used in the same sentence.

That's the second time for me.
Translator:3
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 09:16:40
December 08 2010 09:15 GMT
#1035
BTW caught myself on a thought that Flash reminds me Ole Einar Bjoerndalen in biathlon.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
December 09 2010 02:52 GMT
#1036
On December 08 2010 07:38 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 02:57 infinity2k9 wrote:
Flash's tendency to fall at a disadvantage in a TvT only to catch up later was going to bite back sooner or later in my opinion. There's been at least 3 games that come to mind where his opponent made heavy mistakes to allow him back into the game lategame, but Light kept his cool and held it out.

This is nothing like that. Flash had the advantage after expanding and blocking the 2 port, but he allowed Light to double expo without doing anything. In the end, it came down to drops followed by BCs. Flash has been known to lose games once they reach that stage. BC TvT should be outlawed


Yes, so in this case Light's double expo was the reason for Flash's disadvantage wasn't it? I didn't mean just early game disadvantages. Flash has managed to pull out of heavily disadvantaged situations numerous times because of opponents not playing correctly with the upper hand, but Light in this case was patient and won. If i recall correctly Leta was also up one base with superior supply before that ridiculous move of flying 50 supply worth of dropships in turrets. Other games didn't have moves that bad, but Flash being a base down or inferior supply was not unusual last season.
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