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Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
November 04 2010 14:16 GMT
#641
On November 04 2010 20:39 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 20:24 disciple wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:20 Zona wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:11 disciple wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:07 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
Grats to Kal.

He was the aggressor in that final set and Bisu was just playing too reactionary. I agree that he blundered by not playing with HTs - those storms in the last three battles really made the difference.


Bisu had no other choice but to be passive - map positions allowed Kal to drop and harass Bisu's main, while KTY hasnt got such an option because if he was to harass Kal in some way he had to go all the way around the map - stuff like that happened a lot on maps like Tau Cross in the past or Medusa lately. Thats why I would assume both players choose their scouting paths in the beginning, on 3 players maps is almost always like A>B>C>A positional wise for PvP

yep, yep - you would expect the map makers to learn...


3players maps are the best concept imo. just look at the stats on Tau Cross - the only real problem is the PvP


Or they could just put all the main mineral lines sticking to the map border like on Longinus. Leaving a huge space in a base and not in the others doesn't make sense. I can't blame Kal for abusing it, but that's definitely what threw Bisu off this game.

Its not the placement of the mineral lines that is the problems, its the shorter fly distance from your natural to their main and hence quicker way back to defend that is the problem. While your opponent has to fly all around the map to harass your main, with no quick way back to defend if needed. Like you can drop their main as you see their force move out, and still be in time back at your natural with your reavers to defend.
God Hates a Coward
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
November 04 2010 15:08 GMT
#642
This is why I dislike Kal. He beats other people to get a good spot in tournaments, but you know he's never gonna do anything with it. Bisu actually has a chance to go far if he could get his mojo back. Whereas Kal never had any mojo.
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
November 04 2010 15:14 GMT
#643
KT players in slump?? NOOOOOOO~~~
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 04 2010 15:20 GMT
#644
On November 04 2010 23:16 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 20:39 endy wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:24 disciple wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:20 Zona wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:11 disciple wrote:
On November 04 2010 20:07 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
Grats to Kal.

He was the aggressor in that final set and Bisu was just playing too reactionary. I agree that he blundered by not playing with HTs - those storms in the last three battles really made the difference.


Bisu had no other choice but to be passive - map positions allowed Kal to drop and harass Bisu's main, while KTY hasnt got such an option because if he was to harass Kal in some way he had to go all the way around the map - stuff like that happened a lot on maps like Tau Cross in the past or Medusa lately. Thats why I would assume both players choose their scouting paths in the beginning, on 3 players maps is almost always like A>B>C>A positional wise for PvP

yep, yep - you would expect the map makers to learn...


3players maps are the best concept imo. just look at the stats on Tau Cross - the only real problem is the PvP


Or they could just put all the main mineral lines sticking to the map border like on Longinus. Leaving a huge space in a base and not in the others doesn't make sense. I can't blame Kal for abusing it, but that's definitely what threw Bisu off this game.

Its not the placement of the mineral lines that is the problems, its the shorter fly distance from your natural to their main and hence quicker way back to defend that is the problem. While your opponent has to fly all around the map to harass your main, with no quick way back to defend if needed. Like you can drop their main as you see their force move out, and still be in time back at your natural with your reavers to defend.


I totally agree about that, it's even the major issue, but mapmakers can't do anything about it, it's inherent to any 3 players map. But if there had been a very small space between the cliff and the mineral lines this space could have been filled with some buildings + goons by the defender and it would not be as easy to abuse it. Poor Bisu looked totally helpless there.

But Kal played great, especially the second set, so ggs !
ॐ
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
November 04 2010 15:27 GMT
#645
On November 05 2010 00:14 nozaro33 wrote:
KT players in slump?? NOOOOOOO~~~


But, but you have to be good to go into a slump in the first place
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4505 Posts
November 04 2010 15:50 GMT
#646
On November 05 2010 00:27 Xiphos wrote:
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On November 05 2010 00:14 nozaro33 wrote:
KT players in slump?? NOOOOOOO~~~


But, but you have to be good to go into a slump in the first place

Ouch. Seems a bit unfair.
As for the Kal Mojo, he might well place high in the tournament. There's a first time for everything, and beating effort might have been just what was needed for him to actually win something.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 04 2010 16:09 GMT
#647
wtf bull bisu got kicked out
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Cadical *
Profile Joined September 2005
United States469 Posts
November 04 2010 16:57 GMT
#648
VOD magnet
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IMBA
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 17:06:05
November 04 2010 17:05 GMT
#649
Teamliquid so inconsistent. A few days ago Bisu was a hero now he's a zero?

Jesus christ.
Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
nurle
Profile Joined August 2009
Norway308 Posts
November 04 2010 17:23 GMT
#650
bisu was never back in PvP but he is still awesome vs T and Z!!!
Jaedong fucking beast
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
November 04 2010 17:42 GMT
#651
It's because GooJila is awesome. One of my favourite toss'.

so any VODs for these at all? xD
~ The Ultimate Weapon
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
November 04 2010 17:46 GMT
#652
On November 05 2010 00:08 Slow Motion wrote:
This is why I dislike Kal. He beats other people to get a good spot in tournaments, but you know he's never gonna do anything with it. Bisu actually has a chance to go far if he could get his mojo back. Whereas Kal never had any mojo.


Like Bisu is actually going to go anywhere. Out of this group Kal is the only one capable of getting to the semifinals, and Kal on his A game is not lacking in mojo.
YESSSS123
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada12 Posts
November 04 2010 18:17 GMT
#653
bisu isn't kicked out of the msl. u guys know that right....?

moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1548 Posts
November 04 2010 18:31 GMT
#654
On November 05 2010 02:42 cca1ss1e wrote:
so any VODs for these at all? xD


On the way, first ones should start appearing on my channel in about an hour, it will be a few hours before they're all there though I'd say
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
November 04 2010 20:17 GMT
#655
wtf i went 4/4 lb and got zero points!! arggh
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 20:26:34
November 04 2010 20:25 GMT
#656
On November 05 2010 03:31 moktira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2010 02:42 cca1ss1e wrote:
so any VODs for these at all? xD


On the way, first ones should start appearing on my channel in about an hour, it will be a few hours before they're all there though I'd say


That's awesome, can you give me a link?

Edit: NM, just checked your profile
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9827 Posts
November 04 2010 20:40 GMT
#657
On November 05 2010 02:05 night terrors wrote:
Teamliquid so inconsistent. A few days ago Bisu was a hero now he's a zero?

Jesus christ.

no, T1 fans aren't here to fuel the tide of bisu fanboyism. and a large ratio of non-t1 fans are bisu anti-fans.

I WILL FEED ON BISU ANTI-FAN TEARS AT THE END OF THIS OSL./MSL >:D
boomer hands
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8179 Posts
November 04 2010 21:13 GMT
#658
alright kal, I knew you had it in you!

It's sad, when there's no pressure kal is probably the strongest protoss player right now, but pressure gets to him so bad :\
Free Palestine
Hazard
Profile Joined September 2009
Norway594 Posts
November 04 2010 21:21 GMT
#659
Bisu is fine as long as he keeps playing the way he plays he can go all the way to finals.
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 21:24:30
November 04 2010 21:24 GMT
#660
On November 05 2010 03:31 moktira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2010 02:42 cca1ss1e wrote:
so any VODs for these at all? xD


On the way, first ones should start appearing on my channel in about an hour, it will be a few hours before they're all there though I'd say


Woo hoo!! Guess I shouldn't doubt the great moktira and be more patient!! xD

Thanks!!
~ The Ultimate Weapon
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