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PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
September 11 2010 12:28 GMT
#3481
On September 11 2010 21:21 Melancholia wrote:
Game 1: Oops, you lost a Defiler. GG!
Game 2: Alright, we traded cheeses, I dodged you bunker and still managed to take out half a dozen SCVs, circumvented your return push to stall reinforcements, and just barely held out to win.
Game 3: Err, my Zerglings were miss-pathed by your SCVs for a second, GG.
Game 4: I lose a handful of drones in exchange for almost your entire force and shut down the harass, but of course you can keep building workers when YOU cheese so you still win out. I then manage to take a lost game and pull off some sick swarm drops, plagues, and runbys to stay alive for ages after your lead should have finished it, as you 1a2a around the map and take out multiple expansions with a single Defensive Matrix.

Fuck you, Flash. Fuck you.

this post is dripping with butthurt


Flash is the GOAT. Deal with it
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
September 11 2010 12:28 GMT
#3482
T_T jaedong dont be sad you'll be the only bonjwa in my heart.
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
September 11 2010 12:28 GMT
#3483
On September 11 2010 21:25 Noxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 21:21 Melancholia wrote:
Game 1: Oops, you lost a Defiler. GG!
Game 2: Alright, we traded cheeses, I dodged you bunker and still managed to take out half a dozen SCVs, circumvented your return push to stall reinforcements, and just barely held out to win.
Game 3: Err, my Zerglings were miss-pathed by your SCVs for a second, GG.
Game 4: I lose a handful of drones in exchange for almost your entire force and shut down the harass, but of course you can keep building workers when YOU cheese so you still win out. I then manage to take a lost game and pull off some sick swarm drops, plagues, and runbys to stay alive for ages after your lead should have finished it, as you 1a2a around the map and take out multiple expansions with a single Defensive Matrix.

Fuck you, Flash. Fuck you.


Game 4 he lost like 4 marines, not his "entire force" OL snipe was key. He was also forced to build sunkens, delay his third and lurker/ling instead of muta when Flash had no intention of pushing and just teched/tanked up without building mineral line turrets. It was a very high level game from Flash, nm JD could do.

On top of that, JD did a bunch of drops that killed some marines and supply depots, but lost a lot of units for it. 'Sick swarm drops' they may have been mechanically, but they didn't do much.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
September 11 2010 12:28 GMT
#3484
On September 11 2010 21:27 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 21:25 PoP wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:22 Heimatloser wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:17 PoP wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:15 regerstreen wrote:
Brood War ended for me. Whether kespa can defeat blizzard or not, after this final, pro starcraft will just feel empty.
The cycle is complete. The God has arrived. It's time for all to bow out gracefully.


Yeah people were saying this about Savior too.

savior, the match fixer?
lets not talk about him anymore, okay?


He's still one of the bonjwas, and probably the most dominant of them all (relatively). Deal with it.


Savior never accomplished what Flash is doing, and a lot of people would argue Nada was more dominant and oov/boxer was more important for all races.


nada wasn't as dominant over a short period of time

nada was the most successful but he was successful over a long period of time whereas savior and iloveoov came in, destroyed everything without question and then went out

in iloveoovs case he retired. savior slumped and then started throwing games for money. nada didn't have the same sort of hyperdominant period on the scale of oov and savior
RIP Aaliyah
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
September 11 2010 12:29 GMT
#3485
On September 11 2010 21:27 Slow Motion wrote:
The races in BW are balanced. They are so balanced that maps become a far larger factor in balance than race.


TvZ is still like 54% in favour of T over all time i believe...
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
September 11 2010 12:29 GMT
#3486
On September 11 2010 21:26 crazeh wrote:
wasn't imba, Jaedong could have won those games if he got defilers earlier in game one and controlled his drop better in game 4 he just wasn't good enough and Flash crushed him.


Yes, you need to do those things. But Zerg always needs to do more to win, Terran is just easier.
That's imba for you.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
September 11 2010 12:29 GMT
#3487
On September 11 2010 21:27 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 21:25 PoP wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:22 Heimatloser wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:17 PoP wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:15 regerstreen wrote:
Brood War ended for me. Whether kespa can defeat blizzard or not, after this final, pro starcraft will just feel empty.
The cycle is complete. The God has arrived. It's time for all to bow out gracefully.


Yeah people were saying this about Savior too.

savior, the match fixer?
lets not talk about him anymore, okay?


He's still one of the bonjwas, and probably the most dominant of them all (relatively). Deal with it.


Savior never accomplished what Flash is doing, and a lot of people would argue Nada was more dominant and oov/boxer was more important for all races.


I'm talking about dominance as in the difference between his level and the rest.

Jaedong is closer to Savior than anyone was ever close to Savior during his era of dominance.

But we're disgressing.
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NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-11 12:29:47
September 11 2010 12:29 GMT
#3488
LMFAO @ All JD FANBOYS.
Terran is now imbalanced because flash stomped again the top zerg.
After flash name one terran that would dominate JD.
There isn't one. If flash chose to afk the first 20 seconds of the game he would still probably wind up winning. Just deal with the fact he is what he is...

Bonjwa when JD isn't.
zimms
Profile Joined November 2009
Austria561 Posts
September 11 2010 12:29 GMT
#3489
Could someone with some skillz pls make a photoshop of flash and the last samurai, but instead saying last bonjwa?

ps: i'd really appreciate it, if some mods shut down this "t imba" whining....
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
September 11 2010 12:29 GMT
#3490
On September 11 2010 21:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 21:25 PoP wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:22 Heimatloser wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:17 PoP wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:15 regerstreen wrote:
Brood War ended for me. Whether kespa can defeat blizzard or not, after this final, pro starcraft will just feel empty.
The cycle is complete. The God has arrived. It's time for all to bow out gracefully.


Yeah people were saying this about Savior too.

savior, the match fixer?
lets not talk about him anymore, okay?


He's still one of the bonjwas, and probably the most dominant of them all (relatively). Deal with it.


Yeah. I understand people being upset about match fixing but refusing to accept saviors existence and impact is pretty ridiculous.


match fixing problems aside, savior was the one that took a race that was considered undepowered and weak and made it overpower and strong to a point people were wandering if he could ever be defeated (much like today's flash, but with terran never being considered weak)
BW is back
sb_474
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore11 Posts
September 11 2010 12:30 GMT
#3491
Whoever that says terran isnt op is a retarded. Most of the bonjwas are terran. This means the players of the other 2 races are noobs? or they have no brain?

When a player is able to beat an opponent who has a much better micro than him, it shows that something is wrong.. jaedong definitely has better micro as displayed in the games. Flash only need to turtle in 2 bases and win a zerg player. Nice balance starcraft1 got.

Fuck Terran.

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PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
September 11 2010 12:30 GMT
#3492
On September 11 2010 21:27 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 21:25 PoP wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:22 Heimatloser wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:17 PoP wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:15 regerstreen wrote:
Brood War ended for me. Whether kespa can defeat blizzard or not, after this final, pro starcraft will just feel empty.
The cycle is complete. The God has arrived. It's time for all to bow out gracefully.


Yeah people were saying this about Savior too.

savior, the match fixer?
lets not talk about him anymore, okay?


He's still one of the bonjwas, and probably the most dominant of them all (relatively). Deal with it.


Savior never accomplished what Flash is doing, and a lot of people would argue Nada was more dominant and oov/boxer was more important for all races.

Oov/Boxer were more important for evolving the game, but aren't as good players; and numbers-wise, Flash is more dominant than Nada (win percentages) . Remember that Flash is also doing this when the overall quality of all players is higher than it ever was with those 3
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
September 11 2010 12:30 GMT
#3493
I really hope that Broodwar will continue to exist long enough to see Flash fall into a long and hard slump the way Savior did. It is inevitable that it will happen eventually and it will make me so happy (as long its not yet another Terran that takes his place at the top).
Creator of LoLTool.
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2784 Posts
September 11 2010 12:30 GMT
#3494
On September 11 2010 21:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 21:25 alypse wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On September 11 2010 21:22 alypse wrote:
BTW we officially got over 9000 viewers this final


that is pretty typical

do people still find the vegeta over 9000 thing amusing?


not typical for BW. for SC2 i don't know. never watch sc2


you must be quite new here if you think more than 9000 viewers for a bw finals stream is in any way significant

if anything this is probably one of the smaller viewings


really? because if my memory don't betray me, last 2 msl finals it never reached that mark. bigfile was around 7000.

KT Violet 1988 - 2012
Smix *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States4549 Posts
September 11 2010 12:30 GMT
#3495
I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope this ending montage is put up on youtube later.. so epic
TranslatorBe an Optimist Prime, Not a Negatron // twitter @smixity
Pvvned
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States409 Posts
September 11 2010 12:30 GMT
#3496
On September 11 2010 21:29 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 21:27 Slow Motion wrote:
The races in BW are balanced. They are so balanced that maps become a far larger factor in balance than race.


TvZ is still like 54% in favour of T over all time i believe...

I would expect Terrans to have an advantage head-to-head against Zergs cause you know.. naturally T>Z

if it was Z>T overall, then we can talk about imbalance.
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif
Catalyst
Profile Joined September 2008
Japan77 Posts
September 11 2010 12:30 GMT
#3497
TvZ is still like 54% in favour of T over all time i believe...

How does that number look if you remove Flash's contribution? Just curious...
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
September 11 2010 12:30 GMT
#3498
On September 11 2010 21:27 hydraden wrote:

Terran is too imba against zerg.
Mentally and skillwise, I always think Jaedong is the better player among these two.

...Flash beating anyone is not proof of terran imba, it's proof of flash imba. If some mid->high level T beat JD 3-1 then you might have an argument.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
September 11 2010 12:31 GMT
#3499
On September 11 2010 21:30 Smix wrote:
I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope this ending montage is put up on youtube later.. so epic


same it keeps laggging :/
Writer
Animostas
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States568 Posts
September 11 2010 12:31 GMT
#3500
I can't believe people are crying Terran imbalance now. After like what, 12 years?
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