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DreXxiN
Profile Joined July 2010
United States494 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1581
On August 28 2010 19:38 nK)Duke wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:38 Xinliben wrote:
I just want another 3-0 for the delicious tears.
I like jaedong but his fanboys are horrible, horrible people.


stfu


And there you have it.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1582
On August 28 2010 19:39 Chen wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:37 Shikyo wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:35 Zona wrote:
JD is making the obvious assumptions when he sees what limited information he can see, while Flash is assuming that JD will make the obvious assumption and modifying his plans to take advantage of that. It's lovely and neutral to say the two players are "roughly on the same level" but Flash is really showing he's thinking one level deeper.

The fact that Zerg has no way to scout a Terran and that Terran has about 50 differing openings that are all extremely viable and require perfect response by Zerg surely helps with all the deep thinking.

now you know how protoss feel vs zerg lol.

It does feel like there are some parallels, hah.

JD's OL going wrong

Flash with depot below CC to push SCVs. Maybe we'll see a more typical bio game from Flash set 3.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4735 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1583
On August 28 2010 19:35 superjoppe wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:33 Malinor wrote:
There really is not much to it, Jaedong is simply approaching it all wrong like the last finals. Sack the fucking Overlord for gods sake to see the 4 factories ==> research lurkers, then expand.
He let Flash get away with the fifth 14CC in a row, and tries to win a macrogame (4 out of 5 times) but he. will. not. win those. He shows no real dangerous early aggression whatsoever. Sometimes it's not the worst thing to learn from EffOrt.

Flashs late-game terran cannot be taken down by Jaedong currently. Jaedong expands like crazy and then Flash just does a strong timing push and it's gg because Jaedong isn't prepaired because of all those hatcheries and no units.

These finals really make me mad.

Your knowledge is so supreme, you should be in the final instead of Jaedong!


I'm not quite sure my 100 APM and non-existent multitasking would be enough to make my brilliant strategies to take down Flash work.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1584
hohoho no supply depot at nat
NaDa/Flash/Thorzain Fan
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1585
and jd scouting wrong

flash depot in his main
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8639 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1586
nah
flash will just build rax first
mindgame baby
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1587
On August 28 2010 19:38 moopie wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:34 SC2Phoenix wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:33 foxmeep wrote:
I'm 99% sure Flash had his SCV in JD's base before he put the 14CC down. He knew JD didn't 9 pool.
I dont think so. Getting a SCV their in time seems like he would have to send it really early.

He did his (now) standard 14cc after scout. Supply then scout. If you see the zerg 12 hatching, put down a 14cc. If you see a pool, 2 rax to wall off and hold off the lings.

JD tried to 12 hatch 3 times in a row last MSL finals, and Flash punished him for it (just like how Flash had to learn the hard way not to blind 14cc every game, and got punished hard for it). JD either needs to learn to not 12 hatch on 2 player maps vs flash, or 3 hatch before pool (to even out the 14cc).

Everyone cries about the 14cc, but nobody comments that its after scouting. Flash sees an opprotunity, he takes it. There isn't a handicap saying "well gee, my opponent won't have lings out for a while cause he's expoing already, but I'm not going to take advantage of it".


Yeah but thats even worse, he cant do wrong and comes out in top in both cases t.t
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1588
On August 28 2010 19:33 Shikyo wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:30 tragedy wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:28 Shatter wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:27 tragedy wrote:
i dont understand this, i fail to see what flash does to win these games

jd was 4bases vs 2 bases, jd harrased with mutas etc, and just lost in 10 minute push
game 2 same exact thing, 10 minute push nothing to do with same food count?

this final is just about as boring as IEM finals, not fun to watch at all.
Because Flash attacks before the 2 extra bases really makes a difference but has a bigger army because JD invested in late game economy.

and if zerg doesnt invest into economy he has no chance of wining anyway? i really dont understand
p.s. im not a player i just watch sc for years now

Zerg needs to double expand or he dies to mech right away. If terran does an early mech push, Zerg loses if he double-expand. You just need to guess what T will do, and if you know how to select a marine and click P, there's nothing Zerg can do to scout. For some reason it's a taboo to talk about SCBW imbalance but whatever, I have a differing opinion about that.


The thing is that Flash went 14cc while Jeadong didn't place his third hatchery at his third, so they ran on equal bases for quite a bit.
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1589
On August 28 2010 19:39 malathion wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:37 Doraemon wrote:
i dont even remember the last time flash lost a late game to zerg.

Besides their WCG finals yesterday?


He means games that matter more than a test game.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1590
wtf barracks before cc what is he doing
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1591
JD 12 hatch, sending a drone out to scout as well

Flash rax'ing in main.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1592
On August 28 2010 19:38 Shikyo wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:37 SuperArc wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:33 SuperArc wrote:
Why are people telling Jaedong to go 9pool?

When I had suggested it half a year ago people made fun of me telling terran will just rax expand and zerg will be horribly behind eco-wise...


Could someone answer me this please?

EDIT: Ty Qwertify.

Because they probably don't know that 14cc on a map with a wallin defeats 9pool really easily and if he can't wallin he most likely won't 14cc


So 4/5pool is the only viable build for JD...?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
7
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1218 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1593
excellent, flash playing differently

jd still 12hatching though....
and he sends a scout this time! but i guess thats expected on a 4 player map lol
I love the sense of camaraderie when an entire line of cars teams up to prevent a dick from cutting in at the front. Stay strong, brothers!
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
August 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#1594
On August 28 2010 19:34 roMAD wrote:
This is depressing. Terrans are just waaaaaaaaay too flexible in TvZ and zergs can't really scout well.
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:32 Letmelose wrote:
This is what happens if you make maps that allow terrans to expand and tech up at the same time, with no other starting locations for zergs to exploit. Zerg has to play on even bases and then die a horrible late game death. Jaedong knew that he had to cut every corner he could in order to have a chance of winning at the late game stages. Flash knew this also. What does he do? He chooses the builds that counter the only choice of a build order that Jaedong can take if he is to play a standard game.

Totally agree with this.


Didn't seem to stop JD vs Light or Sea. Let's not chalk this up to imbalance but rather good play by Flash.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
August 28 2010 10:41 GMT
#1595
On August 28 2010 19:38 nK)Duke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:38 Xinliben wrote:
I just want another 3-0 for the delicious tears.
I like jaedong but his fanboys are horrible, horrible people.


stfu


flash fanboi's are just as worse(as you just proven)

Flash is just outplaying JD, its just frustrating that 2 MSL maybe end up with 3-0 rape, missing the old school epic bo5 fights
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
August 28 2010 10:41 GMT
#1596
JD ACTIVATE YOUR DEATHSTARE PLS
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 28 2010 10:41 GMT
#1597
Flash's scouting SCV runs into the drone and both delay each other for a bit

Flash's SCV arrives in JD"s main unmolested, JD's drone arrives to see Flash go CC after rax.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
August 28 2010 10:41 GMT
#1598
1 rax cc for Flash
NaDa/Flash/Thorzain Fan
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
August 28 2010 10:41 GMT
#1599
rax in base, nothing tricky from flash

jd going 12 11 13 I assume

flash rax -> cc
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 28 2010 10:41 GMT
#1600
1 rax FE for flash


first time i don't see a 14cc
BW is back
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