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swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 28 2010 01:55 GMT
#181
On August 28 2010 09:27 Yxes2211 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 09:06 SuperArc wrote:
I am surprised Jaedong is winning the polls? o.O

Even I voted in a victory of Flash...


I think it has to do with people being loyal fans, and voting for who they want rather than who they think O.o

Thats what i did anyway :D


so basically if you think that Jaedong has what it takes to beat Flash you are a blind fanboy :p?
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AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
August 28 2010 01:58 GMT
#182
On August 28 2010 09:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If Flash dominates Jaedong again I don't see how he couldn't be seen as the better player, atleast currently.


If Flash crushes Jaedong again, it proves that Jaedong can only win with a power outage.
always tired -_-
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 28 2010 02:01 GMT
#183
There is no way Jaedong can take on flash, especially on PRx2. JD's latest series vs Light proved that JD has trouble when it goes to late game against the very best TvZers out there. The only games he won, he won early on. And I have a feeling JD is the type to take it to the late game against flash on a shitty map just to prove it to himself that he can do it.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
August 28 2010 02:02 GMT
#184
I'm rooting for Flash but something tells me Jaedong is going to emerge victorious. If anyone is able to "solve" late game mech, Jaedong is. I think we're going to see some epic games (at least I hope). Those Flash vs Fantasy games were epic.
Jung! Myung! Hoooooooooooooooooon! #TeamPolt
Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
August 28 2010 02:02 GMT
#185
(T)Flash > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Flash < (Z)Jaedong
(T)Flash < (Z)Jaedong
(T)Flash > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Flash < (Z)Jaedong

I wonder if Flash will just 14cc three games in a row. Again.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
August 28 2010 02:05 GMT
#186
On August 28 2010 10:55 swanized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 09:27 Yxes2211 wrote:
On August 28 2010 09:06 SuperArc wrote:
I am surprised Jaedong is winning the polls? o.O

Even I voted in a victory of Flash...


I think it has to do with people being loyal fans, and voting for who they want rather than who they think O.o

Thats what i did anyway :D


so basically if you think that Jaedong has what it takes to beat Flash you are a blind fanboy :p?


No thats not what I was saying at all

I personally feel that Flash is the favor to win, so if I was a betting/odds man I'd be voting on Flash, but the fan in me bets and votes for JD. XD

Not that JD can't win, I certainly believe in my favorite player, but I think Flash has a higher chance than the Dong
Jaedong and Baby
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
August 28 2010 02:06 GMT
#187
Holy crap for a second I thought I missed this. Jaedong Hwaiting!
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
yelps
Profile Joined August 2010
United States12 Posts
August 28 2010 02:06 GMT
#188
flash!
The only truth is the past
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 02:25:36
August 28 2010 02:06 GMT
#189
On August 28 2010 11:02 Jimmeh wrote:
I wonder if Flash will just 14cc three games in a row. Again.

I love the complaints Oz fans bring up. Rewatch that series.

Game 1 was the only blind 14cc Flash did (on Trialthlon, which is relatively safe).
Games 2 and 3 were 14cc after scout. If JD hadn't opened with a 12 hatch, Flash wouldn't have responded with 14cc. It was just him reacting to his opponent's opening. Do you expect him to scout his opponent, see an opportunity and not act on it so JD's fans will be happier? both of these guys play to win, that means do what it takes.

Just as Flash learned the hard way not to blind 14cc his way through all his games, JD learned the risks of 12 hatch on 2 player maps vs Flash.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 02:28:46
August 28 2010 02:27 GMT
#190
On August 28 2010 11:05 Yxes2211 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 10:55 swanized wrote:
On August 28 2010 09:27 Yxes2211 wrote:
On August 28 2010 09:06 SuperArc wrote:
I am surprised Jaedong is winning the polls? o.O

Even I voted in a victory of Flash...


I think it has to do with people being loyal fans, and voting for who they want rather than who they think O.o

Thats what i did anyway :D


so basically if you think that Jaedong has what it takes to beat Flash you are a blind fanboy :p?


No thats not what I was saying at all

I personally feel that Flash is the favor to win, so if I was a betting/odds man I'd be voting on Flash, but the fan in me bets and votes for JD. XD

Not that JD can't win, I certainly believe in my favorite player, but I think Flash has a higher chance than the Dong



ah okay ^^

you made it seem like it was stupid to think the Dong had a chance to win this
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Ctrl W
Profile Joined August 2010
12 Posts
August 28 2010 02:32 GMT
#191
sooooooo...no stream links yet?
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 28 2010 02:33 GMT
#192
Okay, I'm gonna finish packing now. Go to bed, wake up at 5:30, watch the best damn finals ever, gloat/rage for a few pages, go off to college. What an awesome day
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
August 28 2010 02:34 GMT
#193
what i miss from TL back many years ago and now are for how ppl create these kinds of threads. before, it was almost demanded of you to make an indepth prediction and analysis on the matchups or ppl would be like, nice show of effort, way to try making the thread.
now ppl just make pictures and a poll and its all good.
just thought it was funny.

but other than that, FUCKING JAEDONG!! I BELIEVE.
tie nada as GOAT
Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 02:38:45
August 28 2010 02:35 GMT
#194
On August 28 2010 11:06 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 11:02 Jimmeh wrote:
I wonder if Flash will just 14cc three games in a row. Again.

I love the complaints Oz fans bring up. Rewatch that series.

Game 1 was the only blind 14cc Flash did (on Trialthlon, which is relatively safe).
Games 2 and 3 were 14cc after scout. If JD hadn't opened with a 12 hatch, Flash wouldn't have responded with 14cc. It was just him reacting to his opponent's opening. Do you expect him to scout his opponent, see an opportunity and not act on it so JD's fans will be happier? both of these guys play to win, that means do what it takes.

Just as Flash learned the hard way not to blind 14cc his way through all his games, JD learned the risks of 12 hatch on 2 player maps vs Flash.


Hey, I wasn't complaining about Jaedong losing! I thought it was brilliant play by Flash, I just thought that it'd be nice if he varied it up a bit. Hell, I'd love to see him open BBS or something first game, just to throw Jaedong off tilt.

Either way, looking forward to an epic final.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 28 2010 02:35 GMT
#195
On August 28 2010 11:32 Ctrl W wrote:
sooooooo...no stream links yet?

sooooooo... we still have 6.5 hours to go before the opening ceremonies start. -_-
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
August 28 2010 02:36 GMT
#196
JD is going to win. And I say this for the simple reason that despite what everyone thinks, this map pool is very balanced. If these maps were truly anti-zerg, then we'd be seeing at least P=Z in PvZ, but it's still Z>P, P>T, T>Z - it's just that Zerg are spoiled enough to expect Z>>P, P>T (or P=T), Z=T since swarm season.

All these map "problems" might exist for lesser Zerg players without the mechanics to back up the fact that they're supposed to be good (*cough*calm*cough*), but we're talking about the greatest Z ever. In his best all-around form (perhaps his JvZ is not as dominant as in his peak, but his vT and vP have never been even CLOSE to as good as they are now). And Flash might be past his "slump" (a couple of months in which he won "only" 60%), but he's not the Zerg nightmare he was half a year ago.

That being said, if both of them would be at the peak of their abilities, it's a coinflip, but I don't think that's the case. JD 3-1, but the OSL might be a different story.
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
August 28 2010 02:37 GMT
#197
I don't really care who wins this right now. I don't even know who to root for.

(-_-)

Apparently I liquidbet Jaedong...I dunno why though...apparently I am in top 50 liquidbet as well...didn't know that....

OK...go Jaedong?

I'll probably just watch the final and root for the guy with the most creative play.
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1765 Posts
August 28 2010 02:37 GMT
#198
On August 28 2010 09:23 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 09:10 polgas wrote:
Anyone has yesterday's OSL Ro8 up on youtube yet? I'm likely going to get spoiled during the chat for today's MSL final. Will turn off chat as last result.


I don't know about youtube but you can watch them on wfbrood
http://www.wfbrood.com/movie/bvod/

Scroll down a bit and you will see them.


thanks!
Leee Jaee Doong
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 02:42:56
August 28 2010 02:39 GMT
#199
On August 28 2010 11:35 Jimmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 11:06 moopie wrote:
On August 28 2010 11:02 Jimmeh wrote:
I wonder if Flash will just 14cc three games in a row. Again.

I love the complaints Oz fans bring up. Rewatch that series.

Game 1 was the only blind 14cc Flash did (on Trialthlon, which is relatively safe).
Games 2 and 3 were 14cc after scout. If JD hadn't opened with a 12 hatch, Flash wouldn't have responded with 14cc. It was just him reacting to his opponent's opening. Do you expect him to scout his opponent, see an opportunity and not act on it so JD's fans will be happier? both of these guys play to win, that means do what it takes.

Just as Flash learned the hard way not to blind 14cc his way through all his games, JD learned the risks of 12 hatch on 2 player maps vs Flash.


Hey, I wasn't complaining! I thought it was brilliant play by him, I just thought that it'd be nice if he varied it up a bit. Hell, I'd love to see him open BBS or something first game, just to throw Jaedong off tilt.

Either way, looking forward to an epic final.

BBS is too risky, and he didn't scout that early. With his opening (supply -> scout), if he sees a 12 hatch, he throws down a CC. If he sees a pool, he can wall off with 2 rax to block the lings and then push out. I'm actually glad there wasn't any BBS/4pool in the finals and I'm hoping this time around we get some longer macro games (like the 1st game of the WCG Korea finals).
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 28 2010 02:40 GMT
#200
On August 28 2010 09:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If Flash dominates Jaedong again I don't see how he couldn't be seen as the better player, atleast currently.

Because TvZ isn't the only matchup in the game?
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