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[MSL] Semi-Final A: Flash vs Fantasy - Page 75

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Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
August 19 2010 12:42 GMT
#1481
On August 19 2010 21:42 pretensile wrote:
Regardless of the winner, can't we at least give Fantasy credit for putting up such a great fight, especially after losing four in a row to Flash in the very same day? Including the mentally-draining, "career-crushing" Game 1?


Dude i acredit both players for one hell of a series bra :D
Jaedong and Baby
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
August 19 2010 12:43 GMT
#1482
go fantasy!
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
August 19 2010 12:43 GMT
#1483
flash's weakness - going 2 - 0 then losing one or two games carelessly, followed by a brilliant 3rd win.... you heard it here! ; )
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
August 19 2010 12:43 GMT
#1484
Flash looks really tired.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 19 2010 12:43 GMT
#1485
On August 19 2010 21:40 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 21:38 o[twist] wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:38 Cpadolf wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:36 o[twist] wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:35 konadora wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:34 o[twist] wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:33 Zona wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:31 o[twist] wrote:
if fantasy steals this series it is a crime

uh, why would it be a crime if Fantasy outplays Flash in the last 3 games of the set? wtf are you saying?


nobody could possibly argue that fantasy has outplayed flash today. what a ridiculous contention

that's just fanboyism biasedness in you, sure fantasy made an unforgivable (?) mistake in set 3 and played pretty bad, but set 4 was absolutely perfect play by fantasy


fantasy threw away sets 1 and 2; flash played some of the most amazing TvT ever witnessed to come back from deficits that you yourself said over and over were irreparable. the fact that in games 3 and 4 those deficits proved too large does nothing to change the fact that fantasy has greedily expanded and flash has still managed to keep up with him.


Yeah. Flash would NEVER 14CC amirite?


i'm not talking about flash and fantasy as players. i'm talking about THIS SET.


Taking risks to gain an advantage is a big part of a Bo5. Flash is often great at it. Sure Flash has played better for most of this series, but its not like Fantasy has won by doing really all in builds, so I'd say he is very much so deserving if he wins, just as Flash will be if he wins.


i would never say fantasy doesn't "deserve" to win if he wins. however, i think it's fair to say that a lot of fantasy's advantage has been from preparation - which is of course a huge part of a Bo5 - flash has shown that he is able to overcome even the most enormous deficits created by poorer preparation, build-order disadvantages, and early mistakes. the idea that this last set determines who is "top dog" between Flash and Fantasy is ridiculous - the answer is obvious, despite fantasy having played a good set (and possibly winning - let's see how it goes)
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
August 19 2010 12:43 GMT
#1486
Flash seems disturbed...
BW fighting!
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
August 19 2010 12:43 GMT
#1487
Flash doesn't look very motivated! FLash you have to win this!
Flash returns...
Itzeddiieee
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)787 Posts
August 19 2010 12:43 GMT
#1488
On August 19 2010 21:40 Harem wrote:
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On August 19 2010 21:39 Itzeddiieee wrote:
omg i dont know what to say. omfg
i have to leave somewhere but i want to watch this. FUUUUUUUUU

DECISIONS DECISION... T.T

It's TvT on Polaris.

The game will probably still be on by time you get back.



lol ^^
ill be out for 3 hours :D
Masheyoon
Profile Joined October 2009
United States781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 12:43:53
August 19 2010 12:43 GMT
#1489
On August 19 2010 21:40 Housemd wrote:
they are currently around 1,100 viewers on three stream for sc2.

bw has one and it has 1,800

Not only that, but the SC2 streams are running smoothly.

One of the greatest Bo5 series throughout Starcraft's historry and streamers prefer to go with a subpar SC2 event.

:/

Everyone's thinking it... I'm just gonna shout it...

GAY.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 19 2010 12:43 GMT
#1490
no 14cc this time
BW is back
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 19 2010 12:43 GMT
#1491
On August 19 2010 21:40 Crunchums wrote:
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On August 19 2010 21:38 Zona wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:37 Crunchums wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:36 Yxes2211 wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:35 Doraemon wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:33 o[twist] wrote:
what a bullshit fucking series flash completely outplaying fantasy for five games and then econ cheese manages to take him through. hopefully flash does something nasty in this fifth set but i kind of imagine oov and boxer stayed up late last night figuring out a build for this one


i loled


"econ cheese"? duh fuck?

14cc, 12nex, 3hatch before pool... economic builds that put you way ahead if you can get away with them without dieing

Damn. At this rate we'll call normal opening builds "standard cheese" - builds that put you way ahead if you damage your opponent without dying.

I have no idea what you are on about. There is a spectrum of openings that goes from "aggressive" to "economic". The extremes of that spectrum are cheese. Maybe you don't want to call 14cc economic cheese and maybe I'll give you that semantic bit but you cannot deny that 14cc is a risky build that puts you far ahead if you can get away with it.

Any build has its risks. If you play standard it's a risk you take that can put you far ahead if you defend against an aggressive opener or your first attack goes well. My point is that somehow extending the term "cheese" to greedy openings is unreasonable

No gas for Fantasy after rax
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
August 19 2010 12:44 GMT
#1492
3h long game incoming with stalemate!!gogog
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 19 2010 12:44 GMT
#1493
1 rax CC for fantasy while 1 fact cc for flash coming maybe ?

yep 1 rax CC for fantasy - Flash sees it all, stops building his rine
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5754 Posts
August 19 2010 12:44 GMT
#1494
Can somebody restream on USTREAM? (((
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
August 19 2010 12:44 GMT
#1495
Flash my hero! You can do this! We all believe in you!
Flash returns...
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
August 19 2010 12:44 GMT
#1496
On August 19 2010 21:36 Tianx wrote:
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On August 19 2010 21:35 Grettin wrote:
I bet Flash is starting to SLUMP.








T_T

Of all the times to call a slump, you call it on this series? Seriously?


Sarcasm, moron, jesus..
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
hellohello
Profile Joined August 2010
39 Posts
August 19 2010 12:44 GMT
#1497
On August 19 2010 21:42 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 21:42 pretensile wrote:
Regardless of the winner, can't we at least give Fantasy credit for putting up such a great fight, especially after losing four in a row to Flash in the very same day? Including the mentally-draining, "career-crushing" Game 1?

Yes. Hugely impressive.

fantasy was so sloppy with his decisions,he has good strategy(pretty much all oov imo) but his tatics are epic ballz(except his vultures)and flash sucks at bo5 when it goes past 3 games
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 19 2010 12:44 GMT
#1498
1 rax gas cc as a response by flash, Fantasy's scouting scv arrives in Flash's main
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
August 19 2010 12:45 GMT
#1499
On August 19 2010 21:43 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 21:40 Crunchums wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:38 Zona wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:37 Crunchums wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:36 Yxes2211 wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:35 Doraemon wrote:
On August 19 2010 21:33 o[twist] wrote:
what a bullshit fucking series flash completely outplaying fantasy for five games and then econ cheese manages to take him through. hopefully flash does something nasty in this fifth set but i kind of imagine oov and boxer stayed up late last night figuring out a build for this one


i loled


"econ cheese"? duh fuck?

14cc, 12nex, 3hatch before pool... economic builds that put you way ahead if you can get away with them without dieing

Damn. At this rate we'll call normal opening builds "standard cheese" - builds that put you way ahead if you damage your opponent without dying.

I have no idea what you are on about. There is a spectrum of openings that goes from "aggressive" to "economic". The extremes of that spectrum are cheese. Maybe you don't want to call 14cc economic cheese and maybe I'll give you that semantic bit but you cannot deny that 14cc is a risky build that puts you far ahead if you can get away with it.

Any build has its risks. If you play standard it's a risk you take that can put you far ahead if you defend against an aggressive opener or your first attack goes well. My point is that somehow extending the term "cheese" to greedy openings is unreasonable

No gas for Fantasy after rax

Well I disagree so yeah
brood war for life, brood war forever
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 19 2010 12:45 GMT
#1500
Fantasy's CC in main done, floats to nat
Flash starting 2 factories
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
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