EPTMan Light's vZ is getting sick. Light vs Jaedong is going to be good.
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Ursadon-n-Pals
United States928 Posts
Man Light's vZ is getting sick. Light vs Jaedong is going to be good. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2715 Posts
On August 14 2010 20:01 darktreb wrote: No he isn't. This is one of the more ridiculous misconceptions that has come about, simply as a byproduct of a great winning percentage that doesn't look at all at how the games are played. Light is very good at TvZ no doubt about it but what game has he won since he got Kwanrolled 3-0 that Flash wouldn't have? Light is the epitome of a solid but not great Terran - someone who understands what to do and is able to ride metagame waves (such as the current T > Z one) to success. That's why he's never gone this deep into a league until now (finally got a TvZ run when the matchup metagame/maps have aligned). He hasn't suddenly gotten amazing against Zerg - Light has always been extremely good at digesting a situation and understanding what to do, which is why he was the first Terran to do a lot of things such as win on Battle Royale. But that doesn't make him better at TvZ than the most skilled Terran of all time in his prime. Just look at the Triathlon game against Effort. Once things started to get out of hand, Light started to lose control over the situation. Flash would never have made that stupid "give away 10 Tanks for nothing at a moment when I absolutely need to turtle" move in a million years. It's just one moment but it's representative of the difference between them. First of all, the previous statement is by no means a "ridiculous misconceptions", but a conclusion derived from the provided facts. Light is 28-3 in TvZ ever since his pityful loss against Kwanro, but even if we include that loss it brings Light's TvZ to 28-5 since the beginning of 2010, which most certainly makes him one of the best TvZ'er out there (arguable if the best though). Let's not forget that he's been crushing Calm and Effort on a regular basis in the past 7-8 months. You are giving Light far too little credit for what he's done. Saying that he only does well because he rides the current "metagame wave" is a ridiculous statement by itself. It feels like you're saying "he only seems to be the best because every other terran is doing well, too". Also Light's TvZ has most certainly improved in the past months. At the beginning of the year he only had 52,8% against Z and now he is at 65,4%, which impies that he has got better indeed. At the end, you give one single game as an example of his inferiority to Flash. It might surprise you, but even the best lose sometimes. Nobody is perfect. In the same manner I could just provide an example of games, which Flash threw away: Light would have never lost a series of games to ling busts. At the end, I am not sure which statement you consider a "ridiculous misconception": Light being one of the best TvZ'er or him being better than Flash right now. Either way misconception is used wrong here. In case you meant the latter, then you shall know that an opinion cannot be a "misconception" and comparing Flash's prime to Light's current TvZ is plain wrong since the former poster's statement was about the current state of TvZ, in which Light is doing at least as good as Flash. This being said, Flash's TvZ is delightful to watch, but Light is a beast, too. And arguing, who is better is futile, since both are tearing it up and very close skillwise in this matchup. | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
At least Jaedong won. TvT semis would've likely been a snooze fest. | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On August 15 2010 00:49 ggrrg wrote: At the end, you give one single game as an example of his inferiority to Flash. It might surprise you, but even the best lose sometimes. Nobody is perfect. In the same manner I could just provide an example of games, which Flash threw away: Light would have never lost a series of games to ling busts. Well, actually, that was the Kwanro series in question  Of course, I would hope that Light has learned his lesson since then. | ||
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alypse
Vietnam2762 Posts
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mdb
Bulgaria4058 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
Anyway, Fuck yeah Jaedong!! <3 <3 <3 | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On August 14 2010 19:53 Warrior Madness wrote: Why do you say he's better than flash? I think flash has actually become a master of mindgames in his own light and I think that puts him above light. He predicted Jaedong's 3 hatch before pool builds perfectly. I think JD would rather go up against Light than Flash despite Light's TvZ record. Flash just has that killer-champion instinct. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On August 15 2010 02:30 tomatriedes wrote: I think JD would rather go up against Light than Flash despite Light's TvZ record. Flash just has that killer-champion instinct. Neither Jaedong or Flash are unbeatable by those who played in most of the higher ranks. It's all about the mindgames. If they think they'll lose, they will get crushed. Flash knows he can win against JD, so that is probably the biggest threat. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Sayer
United States403 Posts
Also I miss SC1 Zerg mucho | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On August 14 2010 21:22 tree.hugger wrote: I'm sad. And by that I mean, that I'm really depressed that EffOrt played well, and still got eliminated in the OSL and MSL. So many what-ifs, but in the end, it came down to four of Action's zerglings barely slipping by EffOrt's muta spread in the OSL, and I haven't watched his games here but the map pool is a little silly, and by all accounts EffOrt played really well. So basically; dammit. This, of course, is where a Flash fan comes in an makes a snarky remark about the OSL finals. And there's always WCG. Also, the better final is fantasy v. Jaedong, even though Flash is the better player, he and Jaedong haven't really played interesting series, while fantasy/Jaedong is pretty much the most entertaining series possible. | ||
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ci_esteban
United States217 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
edit: Also, can anyone find a VOD of Sea vs Jaedong set2 that doesn't cut off right after the muta harass? | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
cant stop laughing | ||
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Dandy4
United States493 Posts
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
Also, the better final is fantasy v. Jaedong, even though Flash is the better player, he and Jaedong haven't really played interesting series, while fantasy/Jaedong is pretty much the most entertaining series possible. \Yeah Fantasy vs JD would be the more interesting final only because he gets fed builds and strats from Boxer and oov. Do people really think Fantasy would be the same kind of player he is right now if he were playing on any other team? He would just be known as a solid terran with good micro, guaranteed. I feel like as long as you always have the two best players facing each other you have the highest chance of getting an awesome series to watch. I know the last Flash vs JD finals was disappointing but thats more of a fluke than something that would consistently happen if they were to face each other more often. Also doesnt help when Flash keeps playing those 14cc builds and then regardless of what happens it will be a shitty game because either JD goes aggresive and 9 pools and rapes him or Flash just overwhelms him mid/late game. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On August 14 2010 18:37 Ace wrote: The funny thing about that is GGplay would expand all over the place no matter what units Terran threw at him. 3 rax MM? expand Wraiths? expand Mech? expand bunker rush? expand twice GGplay was such a badass I miss my favourite player </3 at least I have zero and JD | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
O Jaedong. | ||
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