EPTWho needs protoss anyways?
[MSL] Ro8 Day 2 - Page 23
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Zona
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Who needs protoss anyways? | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
Lol, have I missed the other games in the RO8? And it's still pretty insane how much whining there is about T, when Zergs have won the majority of starleagues for years now and Protoss has been close to marginalized | ||
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Hungary3932 Posts
we'll see about that | ||
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Malinor
Germany4740 Posts
However, Calm losing probably has not much to do with the maps, he is just not playing well. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On August 12 2010 20:01 Lann555 wrote: Lol, have I missed the other games in the RO8? And it's still pretty insane how much whining there is about T, when Zergs have won the majority of starleagues for years now and Protoss has been close to marginalized Light and Sea both won despite playing worse than Effort and Jaedong, and Polaris is coming up again. Not to mention Triathlon and Odd-Eye. If by some miracle a Zerg makes the Ro4 it will be by the sheer incompetence of the Terran, and there would have to be a LOT of incompetence for a Terran to lose on these maps. And I fail to see how Protoss doing poorly affects the fact that Terran is bullshit. On August 12 2010 20:02 Malinor wrote: However, Calm losing probably has not much to do with the maps, he is just not playing well. He also got cheesed twice >.> | ||
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Malinor
Germany4740 Posts
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote: Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace You have a point, but it's actually 3 and not 4  | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote: Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace lol, nice. I wonder if Flash will get another dual StarLeague finals. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2341 Posts
Terrans were crybabies against the protoss for years. No metter that Protoss are infact the least succesfull race of all. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 12 2010 20:03 tyCe wrote: lol, nice. I wonder if Flash will get another dual StarLeague finals. Would be nice, so long as he doesn't get kwanro'd again. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On August 12 2010 20:03 tyCe wrote: lol, nice. I wonder if Flash will get another dual StarLeague finals. Well, the MSL should be no problem. I like Fantasy, but facing Flash in a TvT BO5 is just insane. BO3..maybe...but I don't see Flash losing a BO5 to anyone but Skyhigh | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2751 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On August 12 2010 20:05 Lann555 wrote: Well, the MSL should be no problem. I like Fantasy, but facing Flash in a TvT BO5 is just insane. BO3..maybe...but I don't see Flash losing a BO5 to anyone but Skyhigh Well at the very least I hope Fantasy doesn't play predictably. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
On August 12 2010 20:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: He also got cheesed twice >.> A sunken break without sunkens isn't cheese. And regarding the last game, it's Calm's fault for 12 hatching like clockwork on two player maps. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On August 12 2010 20:05 hitthat wrote: Its clear. Zerg and Terran players are in majority crybabies. Zergs whining against terrans and they dont want to confess that they are ripping protoss apart in similar manner that Terrans are ripping Zergs. They ignoring the dfact that Zergs had the most players in finals (and probably semis) of all races. Terrans were crybabies against the protoss for years. No metter that Protoss are infact the least succesfull race of all. Ye, you have a point. Next time Jaedong or Effort beats a Protoss, just mention for fun that ZvP seems a little lopsided. You'll instantly get swarmed by fanboys claiming that the Protoss just got totally outplayed and deserved to lose. ah..good times.. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On August 12 2010 20:07 Zona wrote: Well at the very least I hope Fantasy doesn't play predictably. He will probably cheese at least one game and I expect to see alot of stuff like 2-port wraith trying to catch Flash off guard. But in a BO5 you have to play some straightup games too and Flash > Fantasy in that scenario most of the time | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On August 12 2010 20:07 okum wrote: A sunken break without sunkens isn't cheese. And regarding the last game, it's Calm's fault for 12 hatching like clockwork on two player maps. I take it back, 3 Rax Sunken break isn't cheese, it's just total bullshit with no drawbacks. All you're sacrificing is a few SCVs in the early game, and if Zerg doesn't scout you at the exact right time there'll be no way for him to react in time. Lose your expo? Woops you're 1 v 2 bases. Lose a few too many Drones? Woops you're 1.5 v 2 bases. Oh, you played perfectly and defended? Yay you're 2 base vs 2 base. And yes, let's blame Calm for doing the standard Zerg opening in ZvT. Cause then it's obviously his fault lol. On August 12 2010 20:09 Elroi wrote: Triathlon, odd-eye and all is probably behind alot of the terran imba. But a more important problem is that protoss can no longer win any mu consistently, so the game on the highest level is reduced to tvz (and the mirrors ofc) which is a very imba mu in favor of terran. Lets face it, if all good terrans got stomped in the early stages, Jaedong would dominate like flash is dominating now. I mean, when was the last time Jaedong lost a boX against a non-terran? Honestly Polaris is a very Protoss favored map. If anything Protosses should've capitalized on the map to their advantage. PvT is a breeze there and PvZ is tilted pretty heavily in Protoss' favor. But alas no, so now we get a 4T semifinals. Woo. | ||
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Zona
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
Light and Sea both won despite playing worse than Effort and Jaedong, and Polaris is coming up again. Not to mention Triathlon and Odd-Eye. If by some miracle a Zerg makes the Ro4 it will be by the sheer incompetence of the Terran, and there would have to be a LOT of incompetence for a Terran to lose on these maps. And I fail to see how Protoss doing poorly affects the fact that Terran is bullshit. I don't see how Jaedong played better then Sea. In fact, I thought Jaedong played rather poorly after early game. Effort, kind of the same. Wasted so much gass on guards (which never work ZvT) and then played very uncoordinated lategame. And if Terran is bullshit, because TvZ is unbalanced, isn't Zerg bullshit because ZvP is just as imbalanced (probably even worse)? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On August 12 2010 20:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I take it back, 3 Rax Sunken break isn't cheese, it's just total bullshit with no drawbacks. All you're sacrificing is a few SCVs in the early game, and if Zerg doesn't scout you at the exact right time there'll be no way for him to react in time. Lose your expo? Woops you're 1 v 2 bases. Lose a few too many Drones? Woops you're 1.5 v 2 bases. Oh, you played perfectly and defended? Yay you're 2 base vs 2 base. If that REALLY was the case Terrans would use it every game. But the Terran's far behind if it gets defended, especially once the mutalisks emerge. | ||
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