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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 12 2010 11:01 GMT
#441
On August 12 2010 19:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:56 InFdude wrote:
T is just bs.

I have to admit that theses days, zergs REALLY struggle.


Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace


And 0 in the last 4.

Who needs protoss anyways?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
August 12 2010 11:01 GMT
#442
On August 12 2010 19:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:56 InFdude wrote:
T is just bs.

I have to admit that theses days, zergs REALLY struggle.


Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace


And 0 in the last 4.


Lol, have I missed the other games in the RO8?


And it's still pretty insane how much whining there is about T, when Zergs have won the majority of starleagues for years now and Protoss has been close to marginalized
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
August 12 2010 11:01 GMT
#443
On August 12 2010 19:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:56 InFdude wrote:
T is just bs.

I have to admit that theses days, zergs REALLY struggle.


Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace


And 0 in the last 4.

we'll see about that
BW fighting!
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
August 12 2010 11:02 GMT
#444
Anything other then a T winning this MSL would be a travesty. I don't have much hope for EffOrt and Jaedong tomorrow. Maybe at least one of them can make it.

However, Calm losing probably has not much to do with the maps, he is just not playing well.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 11:03:45
August 12 2010 11:02 GMT
#445
On August 12 2010 20:01 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 19:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:56 InFdude wrote:
T is just bs.

I have to admit that theses days, zergs REALLY struggle.


Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace


And 0 in the last 4.


Lol, have I missed the other games in the RO8?


And it's still pretty insane how much whining there is about T, when Zergs have won the majority of starleagues for years now and Protoss has been close to marginalized


Light and Sea both won despite playing worse than Effort and Jaedong, and Polaris is coming up again. Not to mention Triathlon and Odd-Eye. If by some miracle a Zerg makes the Ro4 it will be by the sheer incompetence of the Terran, and there would have to be a LOT of incompetence for a Terran to lose on these maps.

And I fail to see how Protoss doing poorly affects the fact that Terran is bullshit.

On August 12 2010 20:02 Malinor wrote:

However, Calm losing probably has not much to do with the maps, he is just not playing well.


He also got cheesed twice >.>
TranslatorBaa!
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
August 12 2010 11:03 GMT
#446
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 19:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:56 InFdude wrote:
T is just bs.

I have to admit that theses days, zergs REALLY struggle.


Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace


You have a point, but it's actually 3 and not 4
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
August 12 2010 11:03 GMT
#447
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 19:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:56 InFdude wrote:
T is just bs.

I have to admit that theses days, zergs REALLY struggle.


Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace

lol, nice.

I wonder if Flash will get another dual StarLeague finals.
Betrayed by EG.BuK
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 11:07:07
August 12 2010 11:05 GMT
#448
Its clear. Zerg and Terran players are in majority crybabies. Zergs whining against terrans and they dont want to confess that they are ripping protoss apart in similar manner that Terrans are ripping Zergs. They ignoring the fact that Zergs had the most players in finals (and probably semis) of all races.
Terrans were crybabies against the protoss for years. No metter that Protoss are infact the least succesfull race of all.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 12 2010 11:05 GMT
#449
On August 12 2010 20:03 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:56 InFdude wrote:
T is just bs.

I have to admit that theses days, zergs REALLY struggle.


Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace

lol, nice.

I wonder if Flash will get another dual StarLeague finals.

Would be nice, so long as he doesn't get kwanro'd again.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
August 12 2010 11:05 GMT
#450
On August 12 2010 20:03 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:56 InFdude wrote:
T is just bs.

I have to admit that theses days, zergs REALLY struggle.


Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace

lol, nice.

I wonder if Flash will get another dual StarLeague finals.


Well, the MSL should be no problem. I like Fantasy, but facing Flash in a TvT BO5 is just insane. BO3..maybe...but I don't see Flash losing a BO5 to anyone but Skyhigh
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2763 Posts
August 12 2010 11:06 GMT
#451
Awesome movie mystlord!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 12 2010 11:07 GMT
#452
On August 12 2010 20:05 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 20:03 tyCe wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:56 InFdude wrote:
T is just bs.

I have to admit that theses days, zergs REALLY struggle.


Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace

lol, nice.

I wonder if Flash will get another dual StarLeague finals.


Well, the MSL should be no problem. I like Fantasy, but facing Flash in a TvT BO5 is just insane. BO3..maybe...but I don't see Flash losing a BO5 to anyone but Skyhigh

Well at the very least I hope Fantasy doesn't play predictably.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
August 12 2010 11:07 GMT
#453
On August 12 2010 20:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
He also got cheesed twice >.>

A sunken break without sunkens isn't cheese.

And regarding the last game, it's Calm's fault for 12 hatching like clockwork on two player maps.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
August 12 2010 11:07 GMT
#454
On August 12 2010 20:05 hitthat wrote:
Its clear. Zerg and Terran players are in majority crybabies. Zergs whining against terrans and they dont want to confess that they are ripping protoss apart in similar manner that Terrans are ripping Zergs. They ignoring the dfact that Zergs had the most players in finals (and probably semis) of all races.
Terrans were crybabies against the protoss for years. No metter that Protoss are infact the least succesfull race of all.


Ye, you have a point. Next time Jaedong or Effort beats a Protoss, just mention for fun that ZvP seems a little lopsided. You'll instantly get swarmed by fanboys claiming that the Protoss just got totally outplayed and deserved to lose.

ah..good times..
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
August 12 2010 11:09 GMT
#455
On August 12 2010 20:07 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 20:05 Lann555 wrote:
On August 12 2010 20:03 tyCe wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:59 Lann555 wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 12 2010 19:56 InFdude wrote:
T is just bs.

I have to admit that theses days, zergs REALLY struggle.


Yeah, there are only 4 in the last 8. What a disgrace

lol, nice.

I wonder if Flash will get another dual StarLeague finals.


Well, the MSL should be no problem. I like Fantasy, but facing Flash in a TvT BO5 is just insane. BO3..maybe...but I don't see Flash losing a BO5 to anyone but Skyhigh

Well at the very least I hope Fantasy doesn't play predictably.


He will probably cheese at least one game and I expect to see alot of stuff like 2-port wraith trying to catch Flash off guard. But in a BO5 you have to play some straightup games too and Flash > Fantasy in that scenario most of the time
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
August 12 2010 11:09 GMT
#456
Triathlon, odd-eye and all is probably behind alot of the terran imba. But a more important problem is that protoss can no longer win any mu consistently, so the game on the highest level is reduced to tvz (and the mirrors ofc) which is a very imba mu in favor of terran. Lets face it, if all good terrans got stomped in the early stages, Jaedong would dominate like flash is dominating now. I mean, when was the last time Jaedong lost a boX against a non-terran?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 11:12:11
August 12 2010 11:10 GMT
#457
On August 12 2010 20:07 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 20:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
He also got cheesed twice >.>

A sunken break without sunkens isn't cheese.

And regarding the last game, it's Calm's fault for 12 hatching like clockwork on two player maps.


I take it back, 3 Rax Sunken break isn't cheese, it's just total bullshit with no drawbacks. All you're sacrificing is a few SCVs in the early game, and if Zerg doesn't scout you at the exact right time there'll be no way for him to react in time. Lose your expo? Woops you're 1 v 2 bases. Lose a few too many Drones? Woops you're 1.5 v 2 bases. Oh, you played perfectly and defended? Yay you're 2 base vs 2 base.

And yes, let's blame Calm for doing the standard Zerg opening in ZvT. Cause then it's obviously his fault lol.


On August 12 2010 20:09 Elroi wrote:
Triathlon, odd-eye and all is probably behind alot of the terran imba. But a more important problem is that protoss can no longer win any mu consistently, so the game on the highest level is reduced to tvz (and the mirrors ofc) which is a very imba mu in favor of terran. Lets face it, if all good terrans got stomped in the early stages, Jaedong would dominate like flash is dominating now. I mean, when was the last time Jaedong lost a boX against a non-terran?


Honestly Polaris is a very Protoss favored map. If anything Protosses should've capitalized on the map to their advantage. PvT is a breeze there and PvZ is tilted pretty heavily in Protoss' favor. But alas no, so now we get a 4T semifinals. Woo.
TranslatorBaa!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 12 2010 11:12 GMT
#458
Thanks to Kentor and the others for streaming. How many streams did you have open to make sure we had something smooth to watch? I shake my head at the lengths you guys go, thanks again.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 11:14:14
August 12 2010 11:13 GMT
#459


Light and Sea both won despite playing worse than Effort and Jaedong, and Polaris is coming up again. Not to mention Triathlon and Odd-Eye. If by some miracle a Zerg makes the Ro4 it will be by the sheer incompetence of the Terran, and there would have to be a LOT of incompetence for a Terran to lose on these maps.

And I fail to see how Protoss doing poorly affects the fact that Terran is bullshit.




I don't see how Jaedong played better then Sea. In fact, I thought Jaedong played rather poorly after early game. Effort, kind of the same. Wasted so much gass on guards (which never work ZvT) and then played very uncoordinated lategame.

And if Terran is bullshit, because TvZ is unbalanced, isn't Zerg bullshit because ZvP is just as imbalanced (probably even worse)?
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 12 2010 11:15 GMT
#460
On August 12 2010 20:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I take it back, 3 Rax Sunken break isn't cheese, it's just total bullshit with no drawbacks. All you're sacrificing is a few SCVs in the early game, and if Zerg doesn't scout you at the exact right time there'll be no way for him to react in time. Lose your expo? Woops you're 1 v 2 bases. Lose a few too many Drones? Woops you're 1.5 v 2 bases. Oh, you played perfectly and defended? Yay you're 2 base vs 2 base.

If that REALLY was the case Terrans would use it every game. But the Terran's far behind if it gets defended, especially once the mutalisks emerge.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
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