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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
July 07 2010 05:40 GMT
#221
It boggles my mind how the second seed is so much better than the third.

The playoff system is weird.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 07 2010 05:44 GMT
#222
On July 07 2010 14:37 Ideas wrote:
the only explanation i can come up with is that the team is purposefully doing awful so that everyone will underestimate them in the playoffs and then they will kick ass.
I was thinking the same. Recently the top teams lose miserably to those from the bottom of the rank-list. It's become a game in which the weak teams prepare and fight furiously to get to a decent place, while the top teams play (perhaps deliberately) a bit shaky - because they almost don't care, and maybe because it lets their bracket opponents underestimate them. Dunno. Looks odd though.

Anyway, I enjoy when the underdogs win, gg! (:
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
oddo123
Profile Joined October 2009
Iceland134 Posts
July 07 2010 05:47 GMT
#223
Can STX beat any team in the top 6?
Imma lead farmer, motherfucka!~ T: TLO P: InCa Z: Sen
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9021 Posts
July 07 2010 05:49 GMT
#224
Removing players from the bench = best strategy ever.
JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
July 07 2010 05:50 GMT
#225
Honestly if the betting scandal wasn't resolved, I'd think Calm was in it. This guy's record has been TERRIBLE since losing to Jaedong. 11 losses and 1 win since then.

Man did Jaedong really destroy Calm's psyche that badly? And I don't even know what to think of Kal. He's like the most inconsistent Protoss ever.
KT_Violet
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 05:56:57
July 07 2010 05:56 GMT
#226
On July 07 2010 14:49 Garnet wrote:
Removing players from the bench = best strategy ever.


im pretty sure they stopped doing that. I saw the players at the bench a lot....


On July 07 2010 14:50 JIJIyO wrote:
Honestly if the betting scandal wasn't resolved, I'd think Calm was in it. This guy's record has been TERRIBLE since losing to Jaedong. 11 losses and 1 win since then.

Man did Jaedong really destroy Calm's psyche that badly? And I don't even know what to think of Kal. He's like the most inconsistent Protoss ever.


kal losing to zero (a top ZvPer) again sounds pretty consistent lol
Free Palestine
newvsoldschool
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
428 Posts
July 07 2010 05:57 GMT
#227
On July 07 2010 14:50 JIJIyO wrote:
Honestly if the betting scandal wasn't resolved, I'd think Calm was in it. This guy's record has been TERRIBLE since losing to Jaedong. 11 losses and 1 win since then.

Man did Jaedong really destroy Calm's psyche that badly? And I don't even know what to think of Kal. He's like the most inconsistent Protoss ever.


It was probably more of a commotion in the team itself. Remember that Hwasin was the second biggest name next to Savior involved the betting scandal. Hite is even worse off than STX right now and like half of their A-team was involved in the scandal. The scandal's probably affecting teams' psychologies in some way.
"I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists... I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." -Midas, Brood War Progamer
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 07 2010 05:59 GMT
#228
On July 07 2010 14:44 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 14:37 Ideas wrote:
the only explanation i can come up with is that the team is purposefully doing awful so that everyone will underestimate them in the playoffs and then they will kick ass.
I was thinking the same. Recently the top teams lose miserably to those from the bottom of the rank-list. It's become a game in which the weak teams prepare and fight furiously to get to a decent place, while the top teams play (perhaps deliberately) a bit shaky - because they almost don't care, and maybe because it lets their bracket opponents underestimate them. Dunno. Looks odd though.

Anyway, I enjoy when the underdogs win, gg! (:

Honestly, I could accept that KT had some bad weeks, that seems possible(maybe Flash semi-slump). But STX really dropped the ball completely. Probably because Hwasin was banned, Kal got 3-0d by effort, and Calm got raped by JD in the MSL. Frozen is the only one capable of winning nowadays.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 07 2010 06:23 GMT
#229
Now im really interested to see if MBC can overtake STX! STX sure as hell do not deserve 2nd place at this rate rofl....
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
July 07 2010 09:18 GMT
#230
YES KWANRO IS BACK

nice to see zero/free picking up wins as well
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 07 2010 09:41 GMT
#231
What the hell is up with STX? -__-
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 10:05:24
July 07 2010 10:05 GMT
#232
lol wtf, now, when it doesnt matter anymore, the stars coach sends free zero kwanro ?
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
KumquatExpress
Profile Joined October 2009
United States344 Posts
July 07 2010 14:30 GMT
#233
On July 07 2010 19:05 Black Gun wrote:
lol wtf, now, when it doesnt matter anymore, the stars coach sends free zero kwanro ?


Well it doesn't matter now, but it mattered back before FOX beat ACE, which happened at the same time as this game. Stars would have overtaken FOX if FOX lost both of their last two games and Stars won both of theirs.
Speedythinggoesin, speedythingcomesout.
yes9111
Profile Joined May 2009
United States420 Posts
July 07 2010 16:04 GMT
#234
Woooo Zero ZvP. Kal is being bashed around a lot vZ these days.
Sad the Woongjin is out though.
STORK WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Ursadon-n-Pals
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States928 Posts
July 07 2010 16:13 GMT
#235
That's embarrassing for STX... how are they going survive in the PO...
Nothing worth having comes easy.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
July 07 2010 16:23 GMT
#236
Ah, yes. Gogo Stars. Keep that truck rolling.

In other news, STX and KT both in free fall. They're in an awful rush to give 1st place to each other.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 07 2010 16:51 GMT
#237
KT secured first place, no matter what, last week man.
Remember Violet.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
July 07 2010 21:27 GMT
#238
Stars needed better luck in where their game wins were placed. 27-27 in matches but +15 in games. Compare to:

STX: 32-22 matches, +7 games
SKT: 30-24 matches, +13 games
CJ: 29-25 matches, +4 games

Sigh. I think Stars are definitely one of the top 6 teams in the league, but what can you do.
Zero fighting.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
July 07 2010 22:01 GMT
#239
On July 08 2010 06:27 Jaksiel wrote:
Stars needed better luck in where their game wins were placed. 27-27 in matches but +15 in games. Compare to:

STX: 32-22 matches, +7 games
SKT: 30-24 matches, +13 games
CJ: 29-25 matches, +4 games

Sigh. I think Stars are definitely one of the top 6 teams in the league, but what can you do.


i don't know if that's really luck. not looked up the stats, but that sort of game differential but being even in matches indicates that stars are winning a lot of matches 3-0 and 3-1, but losing a lot 2-3, which would make sense as stars have plenty of players that are capable of taking games off more or less anyone on other people's rosters, but suck in an ace environment.

i.e. i'd back zero/free/kwanro to beat most randoms, but not flash, JD, effort, fantasy, and games with, say, kal/stork/leta/random mbc terran should be fairly even.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
July 07 2010 23:16 GMT
#240
A shame stars fails to make it again, they have one of the best lineups in the league...honestly they have the best.

Free, Zero, Kwanro, Soulkey, MVP, Guemchi, my god thats 6 solid-great players.

Id pick Free over effort, fantasy, jaedong and fantasy, and zero id pick over fantasy, and zero gives flash a run for his money. And Free finally beat Flash, though they usually have close games either way if you ignore that terrible rape in the SL set they played recently.
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