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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 03 2010 15:22 nozaro33 wrote: Yes so happy that KT won without Flash, but sad at the same time for not getting to see him play. eh well, can't have the cake and eat it too Well chances are if Flash was sent out KT would of lost so KT fans should be happy. | ||
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Hallucination
United States249 Posts
On July 04 2010 06:27 Lightwip wrote: Safe play=abuse. Even someone as mediocre as go.go can make use of that. You often have to take risks to have a chance to win. What would you say if Bisu did that and Tempest went for 4 gate goon? PvP is often very volatile and BO based. I agree that safe play often results in abuse by less skilled players. If you can't win straight up late game, why not try to take a risk to put yourself ahead? In fact, Bisu's slump was a result of safe play against players who just took economic risks and got away with it. PvP is volatile and BO based but definitely not as badly as zerg  I'm not saying that Bisu had a good chance, but not microing under 2 storms is pretty brutal either way you look at it. And it is surprising to see it happen to Bisu :/ | ||
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KumquatExpress
United States344 Posts
On July 04 2010 06:55 Hallucination wrote: I agree that safe play often results in abuse by less skilled players. If you can't win straight up late game, why not try to take a risk to put yourself ahead? In fact, Bisu's slump was a result of safe play against players who just took economic risks and got away with it. PvP is volatile and BO based but definitely not as badly as zerg I'm not saying that Bisu had a good chance, but not microing under 2 storms is pretty brutal either way you look at it. And it is surprising to see it happen to Bisu :/ Actually, Bisu never really micros his way out of storms in pvp. Usually, though, he has a bigger advantage in macro at that point due to some earlier harass that he can sacrifice the micro and still pull out a win. At least, that's what I gather from watching Bisu's pvps. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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Hallucination
United States249 Posts
On July 04 2010 07:14 KumquatExpress wrote: Actually, Bisu never really micros his way out of storms in pvp. Usually, though, he has a bigger advantage in macro at that point due to some earlier harass that he can sacrifice the micro and still pull out a win. At least, that's what I gather from watching Bisu's pvps. Thanks for the head up | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
What happened to that god-defying PvP Bisu had? Damn I miss BvP so much.. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:30 De4ngus wrote: Same thing that happened to JvZ and FvT. Protosses got better. When you're that good, people are going to watch from you and learn. Also, superior mechanics, which is the only edge Bisu seems to have these days, will only take you so far. Jaedong got all the way to the top with mechanics and stayed there with some innovations. He still has the JvZ power. Mechanics can take you a long way. That being said, there were times when JvZ seemed vulnerable. | ||
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Slikk
Norway81 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:04 ArvickHero wrote: Bisu used to defy BO losses, like vs Jangbi when he fended off a 4 Gate Goon with a 2 Gate Expo, or when he destroyed Free's 4 Gate with his 2 Gate Obs-Reaver with some exceptional micro. What happened to that god-defying PvP Bisu had? Damn I miss BvP so much.. AMEN! I always felt so confident when the opposite descided to go for crazy all-ins and stuff. Bisu never lost(notice the past tense) to those kind of builds, although he had disadvantage. | ||
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InTheFade
United States1721 Posts
Much? We love ACE! Pusan? Old skool! But tempest?? Oh dear | ||
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Tempest[OEC]
United States417 Posts
On July 04 2010 11:05 InTheFade wrote: Stats? That's okay. Much? We love ACE! Pusan? Old skool! But tempest?? Oh dear After Tempest's epic comeback against Movie in proleague I have some respect for him as a player. But we share the same name damn. | ||
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renzy
Canada781 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:04 ArvickHero wrote: Bisu used to defy BO losses, like vs Jangbi when he fended off a 4 Gate Goon with a 2 Gate Expo, or when he destroyed Free's 4 Gate with his 2 Gate Obs-Reaver with some exceptional micro. What happened to that god-defying PvP Bisu had? Damn I miss BvP so much.. Thing is, it is pretty hard to micro against DTs. His goon micro already saved his ass from those DTs that were going to rape his main. Bisu isn't god, he can't overcome a deficit 1 base vs two with goons + 1 reaver vs 6 cannons plus two templars. Thats just hard. | ||
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Moridin
Bulgaria167 Posts
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dani_caliKorea
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TheTeamLiquidTiger
United States627 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
I still have hope for Bisu though. That was a pretty huge BO loss and Bisu handled it rather well. If Tempest didn't discover that backstab drop, the game might have turned out differently. | ||
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