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[SPL] Woongjin Stars vs KT Rolster - Page 21

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Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
June 28 2010 13:11 GMT
#401
On June 28 2010 22:06 Yxes2211 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2010 20:13 alffla wrote:
this is madnesss flash keeps losing T_T


THIS IS SPARTA!!! XD


U mean:
This is Starcarft!!! Right?
"No, whine not! Play, or play not! There is no whine."
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
June 28 2010 13:14 GMT
#402
On June 28 2010 22:11 Kuzmorgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2010 22:06 Yxes2211 wrote:
On June 28 2010 20:13 alffla wrote:
this is madnesss flash keeps losing T_T


THIS IS SPARTA!!! XD


U mean:
This is Starcarft!!! Right?

har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har har
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
June 28 2010 13:35 GMT
#403
Lol WTF flash shouldn't have traded free off fpl
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bjwithbraces
Profile Joined April 2010
United States549 Posts
June 28 2010 13:39 GMT
#404
this is entirely my fault, I took Flash for my FPL and him and I were chatting over some lunch the other day and I just put too much pressure on him. When he flies over for homemade mongolian BBQ tonight I'll tell him I'm relieving him of his contract. Just in time for playoffs!
http://steamcommunity.com/id/unipolarity/inventory/
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
June 28 2010 13:40 GMT
#405
....FLASH?!?

WHAT?

/flips table over in rage

FML my FPL team.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-28 14:38:38
June 28 2010 13:41 GMT
#406
I've always said, a player's Bonjwa level is dependent on his hair dye

Jaedong was godmode when he had dyed hair back around WL '09.

Flash was godmode but now his dye is gone and he's looking more mortal recently, just like Jaedong did when his hair dye first wore off. The parallels are impossible to overlook!

First comes the streak of inconsistent mirror match-up... (JD when he lost to 815, Saint, etc., Flash with his streak of TvT ace losses)
Then comes losses in the "hard" match-up (starting today for flash :O, JD's ZvT failstreak)
Although he'll continue to be invincible in the "easy" match-up, TvZ.

YOU'LL SEE.

Clearly, when Bisu had his super saiyan hair he overdid it and the bonjwa-ness imploded on himself causing an epic slump. Now that he's back to regular brown-ish red hair, the same colour he had when he was dominant, he's bouncing back.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
June 28 2010 14:34 GMT
#407
On June 28 2010 19:14 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2010 19:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 28 2010 19:05 OneOther wrote:
On June 28 2010 18:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 28 2010 18:55 OneOther wrote:
On June 28 2010 18:54 Plexa wrote:
On June 28 2010 18:52 Scarecrow wrote:
how is losing to free with carriers in an epic game on match point slumping?

pretty much this. Flash is still playing really well... just that everyone else has upped their game as well

lol yeah, i completely agree. until flash gets starts losing in individual leagues and fails in proleague playoffs, let's not throw the word "slumping" around like that. geeze...


I don't know what planet you're on but, regardless of the quality, Flash losing more games than he wins is a slump. It doesn't matter if everyone else in the world got better, compared to himself a month ago he's playing worse general games and losing more often than not.

It's not just THIS one game that's the reason, this just adds to it.

in my eyes he's playing just as well as he did. for example, flash nearly had that game but i have never seen free multitask and play this well in a long, long time. this was the case against a lot of his ace opponents, which was what the commentators were discussing the other day - how players suddenly to play so much better than they usually do against flash. his gameplay is just as strong and solid to me. his opponents have stepped it up. with preparation, however, i expect flash to dominate once again in individual leagues. he's in both msl and osl, leading his team to proleague playoffs, and is just fine. not winning 90% doesn't mean he's in a "slump" on all of a sudden. to me, "slump" means a drastic fall and collapse. dictionary.com agrees. and i can tell you that flash has not drastically collapsed. only difference might be that he has so many things on his plate right now that he doesn't have enough time to prepare for games. is he playing worse? no, not really.

im on planet earth btw. which one are u on?


The "He's just not winning 90% of his games!" argument is such crap. It's not that he's not winning as much, it's that he's losing a lot. He's losing games he shouldn't, making mistakes he shouldn't (He threw away 30 goliaths this game to dragoons and templars in the south, or those turrets, for instance -- The entire ace game vs Really, as well), and he's not leading KT to playoffs -- he was for the past four rounds, but for this entire month he has failed in the ace match, what, six times? Even when he was practicing specifically for ace against someone who wasn't? (vs Skyhigh, who played twice).

Flash is playing worse, and his winrate reflects that. It's nice that the quality of his opponent is improving but if he can't keep up then it's still a slump.


also oh shit I'm on Tallon IV

so going 50-50 in past nine games is a slump now? ROFL. and don't give me this "losing games he shouldn't have and making mistakes he shouldn't have." if you don't understand the game don't act like you do. he built those turrets to stall carriers at 12 while taking out his expos. why didn't it work? well, free simply played brilliantly this game. sometimes, you have to give his opponents some credit.


Going 90% winrate to 50% is basically the definition of a slump. If its severe or long lasting who knows but it certainly does qualify as a slump. We aren't talking Bisu levels here and of course, he's still playing well, but if its losing games he would be expected to win more often than not then its a slump.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
June 28 2010 14:36 GMT
#408
Not when it's over ten games. Sample size people.

Not to mention these are hardly must-wins for KT.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
June 28 2010 14:43 GMT
#409
On June 28 2010 23:36 SimonB wrote:
Not when it's over ten games. Sample size people.

Not to mention these are hardly must-wins for KT.


The definition of slump doesn't include any necessary length. If Barcelona lost 5 out of 10 games in La Liga it would certainly be considered a slump. There's no suggestion that Flash is holding back for the games, his play is still good, and you can see he is visibly annoyed to lose so i don't think the situation for KT comes into it.
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
June 28 2010 14:53 GMT
#410
Well I'm glad KT FINALLY WON, and in a sense it's good that they won without Flash
hope this is good practice and experience for Flash and KT
Better to do bad now instead of failing when it matters. FLASH FIGHTING!!!
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
June 28 2010 14:55 GMT
#411
On June 28 2010 23:43 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2010 23:36 SimonB wrote:
Not when it's over ten games. Sample size people.

Not to mention these are hardly must-wins for KT.


The definition of slump doesn't include any necessary length. If Barcelona lost 5 out of 10 games in La Liga it would certainly be considered a slump. There's no suggestion that Flash is holding back for the games, his play is still good, and you can see he is visibly annoyed to lose so i don't think the situation for KT comes into it.

10 matches in soccer is pretty different from 10 games in SC.

Statistically, even if you play at exactly the same level you normally play at to be at 80%, you will eventually run into a set of games where it will be 50%.

I don't know if Flash is playing at exactly that level, but declaring a slump in 10 games is just dumb.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
June 28 2010 15:04 GMT
#412
Rofl, even with this win, Ace still has a better record than KT this round.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
June 28 2010 15:18 GMT
#413
Holy crap, nice job by Stars
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
June 28 2010 15:48 GMT
#414
FFFFUUUUU!

Stop losing now Flash, it's not funny.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
June 28 2010 15:51 GMT
#415
Flash is slumping..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
June 28 2010 16:15 GMT
#416
On June 28 2010 23:36 SimonB wrote:
Not when it's over ten games. Sample size people.

Not to mention these are hardly must-wins for KT.


It's 22 games though, he's 11-11 in his last 22 games. And as for importance. Besides his games against Jaedong only 2 of his wins ended up mattering, and conversely every loss except this one against Free lead to his team losing. And the "KT didn't need to win anyway" argument is silly. No one could have predicted STX to slump so hard, and if they didn't Flash would have lost KT's #1 spot by now. His series vs Jaedong was quite impressive, but it's just not enough to make up for all the stuff he has been losing otherwise.

Guys like Jaedong and Flash are held to higher standards than other people (and rightly so), and compared to those standards Flash is definitely in a slump.
TheTeamLiquidTiger
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States627 Posts
June 28 2010 16:35 GMT
#417
flash not performing well again......... only this time to free......O.o
SlayerS_BoxeR FTW ///// Long live the Emperor
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-28 17:05:37
June 28 2010 16:51 GMT
#418
Hmm...

Flash starts doing well and Bisu starts slumping.
Bisu starts doing well and Flash starts slumping.


Edit, some dates:
September 07 - Flash bursts onto the pro scene
November 07 - Bisu loses GOM MSL 3 to Mind

September 08 - In a span of 2 weeks, Flash is eliminated from ClubDay MSL and Incruit OSL by Yarnc and GGPlay
November 08 - Bisu wins ClubDay MSL
February 08 - Bisu win GOMTV Classic Season 2

October 09 - Flash wins GOMTV Classic Season 3
November 09-May 10 - Flash shows a streak of domination qualifying for consecutive double finals while Bisu slumps hard and drops out of all leagues

June 10 - Bisu shows signs of resurgence, Flash shows signs of weakness
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
June 28 2010 17:19 GMT
#419
Rofl Plexa, you see? You see?
Okay okay today was an anomaly.

Also rofl Flash.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
June 28 2010 18:18 GMT
#420
result page should be WJS 1 : 3 KT
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