i was just wondering if like argentina is the nemesis of brazil what would qualify as a nemesis for stx in terms of teams in proleague cause i swear if stx loses to cj i'm starting to be a fan of that team u better not fail stx!!! KAL CALM u better not dissappoint (shuttle is a baller he never fails)
On June 26 2010 06:03 pvzvt wrote: i was just wondering if like argentina is the nemesis of brazil what would qualify as a nemesis for stx in terms of teams in proleague cause i swear if stx loses to cj i'm starting to be a fan of that team u better not fail stx!!! KAL CALM u better not dissappoint (shuttle is a boler he never fails)
SKT and STX have been going at it for a bit. Not sure if it's the "rival" b/c the SKT vs KTF is more well known and better.
On June 26 2010 06:03 pvzvt wrote: i was just wondering if like argentina is the nemesis of brazil what would qualify as a nemesis for stx in terms of teams in proleague cause i swear if stx loses to cj i'm starting to be a fan of that team u better not fail stx!!! KAL CALM u better not dissappoint (shuttle is a boler he never fails)
SKT and STX have been going at it for a bit. Not sure if it's the "rival" b/c the SKT vs KTF is more well known and better.
i cant really think of any rivalries between teams in modern SC. it was KT and SKT back when they were the 2 best and richest teams for a long time, but not so much any more.
On June 26 2010 06:03 pvzvt wrote: i was just wondering if like argentina is the nemesis of brazil what would qualify as a nemesis for stx in terms of teams in proleague cause i swear if stx loses to cj i'm starting to be a fan of that team u better not fail stx!!! KAL CALM u better not dissappoint (shuttle is a boler he never fails)
SKT and STX have been going at it for a bit. Not sure if it's the "rival" b/c the SKT vs KTF is more well known and better.
thats a bad way to recruit a fan for skt dude and wouldnt cj be like the rival of skt?
Frozen was the only STX player who managed to win in the last match, right? I was going to post a frozen peas image or something but all the ones I found sort of suck, NOT UNLIKE STX HA HA HA HA HA HA ok nevermind.
I guess both teams aren't really in the zone right now but if CJ can keep it together and choose their battles wisely then I imagine they'll come out on top.
On June 26 2010 10:14 Rio wrote: Wait If STX win Khan will had a PLay off right ?
Nah, after today if STX wins and Khan win their next game against MBC (which I am sure they can). Khan is in the playoffs. Then if they do well by beating everyone they come across, they are in for sure.
On June 26 2010 10:14 Rio wrote: Wait If STX win Khan will had a PLay off right ?
Nah, after today if STX wins and Khan win their next game against MBC (which I am sure they can). Khan is in the playoffs. Then if they do well by beating everyone they come across, they are in for sure.
So I definitely want CJ to make it but if they have to lose their spot, I just pray to God its not to Oz. :/ I just can't see how they could make interesting Bo7's. JD/ Hiya/ Killer (lol)/ Backho (lol)/ Perfectman (lol)/ Lomo (lol) sounds like the worst thing to watch ever.
Go go go CJ!!!! You better destroy STX so that SKT rises up to rank #2 in PL and get to take a nice time off during the chaos between #3-6 in the playoffs. That's my only reason why I root for CJ, honestly I want Khan to be in Playoffs but I want SKT to win even more and having #2 spot is better than #3 or #4. So BEAT STX, CJ!
On June 26 2010 11:36 Bibbit wrote: So I definitely want CJ to make it but if they have to lose their spot, I just pray to God its not to Oz. :/ I just can't see how they could make interesting Bo7's. JD/ Hiya/ Killer (lol)/ Backho (lol)/ Perfectman (lol)/ Lomo (lol) sounds like the worst thing to watch ever.
But go CJ!
Huh? You seem to forget Oz beat CJ... last year's finals were awesome. Perfectman with his perfect reaver control, Lomo actually winning a game against a decent opponent, etc. We might even get to see Princess this year. :p
On June 26 2010 11:36 Bibbit wrote: So I definitely want CJ to make it but if they have to lose their spot, I just pray to God its not to Oz. :/ I just can't see how they could make interesting Bo7's. JD/ Hiya/ Killer (lol)/ Backho (lol)/ Perfectman (lol)/ Lomo (lol) sounds like the worst thing to watch ever.
But go CJ!
Huh? You seem to forget Oz beat CJ... last year's finals were awesome. Perfectman with his perfect reaver control, Lomo actually winning a game against a decent opponent, etc. We might even get to see Princess this year. :p
Actually, you're right. I forgot about that series completely. If Oz's terrible, terrible players can pull out some more nice games (Perfectman's reaver micro really was damn sexy) then I wouldn't mind Oz too much. But still, for me, its CJ >>>>>>> Khan > Oz if only one of them could make it (which I dont think is the case anyway).
hero's ZvP is like a slightly better version than Shine's ZvP: potentially great early to mid game, can't seem to keep up in late game. This is why as the second go by, I grow more concerned
Movie's balls are amazing. Getting flanked by the Zerg between his army & production centers on one side, his army & production centers on the other side, and his statics? And it fucking worked?
i think that's just what hero deserves for doing the exact same build that he used against violet last week. movie predicted all his moves a mile away.
Seemed to me like hero was way ahead before the battle, at least econ-wise. But once toss gets a few templar mass hydra just doesn't cut it, and the DA makes mutas useless too. I dunno why he wouldn't get lurkers...
On June 26 2010 13:22 QuakerOats wrote: Seemed to me like hero was way ahead before the battle, at least econ-wise. But once toss gets a few templar mass hydra just doesn't cut it, and the DA makes mutas useless too. I dunno why he wouldn't get lurkers...
Because by.hero is not a good player. It's fairly simple really.
On June 26 2010 13:44 Wala.Revolution wrote: Excuse my laziness, but does Samsung have a chance of advancing to payoffs if STX loses?
Yyyyyeeee Hmm, there's 5 matches (including these matches) for each team, right? I think if CJ goes 1-4 and KHAN goes 5-0, KHAN has a shot, yes? Because CJ is 4 matches over .500 and KHAN is even. Oh wait, that only works if KHAN's point differential is greater than CJ's then. And KHAN is -11 right now, I believe.
So confused. Back when Snow killed Shuttle's natural and ran away from 3 DTs, didn't he have like a control group of goons over Shuttle? How is he losing ~_~
On June 26 2010 13:50 Tyrio wrote: So confused. Back when Snow killed Shuttle's natural and ran away from 3 DTs, didn't he have like a control group of goons? How is he losing ~_~
Because Shuttle is awesome and Snow didn't go and kill him while the ht energy was charging
Shuttle misses Snow's entire army with 3 of his 4 storms, but he's still comes out ahead in the battle and has the stronger economy. Snow should GG any second.
And by 'stronger economy' I mean both players are mined out and I'm an idiot. I confess I'm not sure how they keep losing their expos, but Snow finally concedes.
On June 26 2010 13:53 Chen wrote: man these players suck so much it hurts =.=
You think? That seemed like one of the better played PvPs we've seen recently.
On June 26 2010 13:55 jalstar wrote: NOW does anyone think Snow's not a PvT specialist?
Wait, how was that game proof of anything? Snow played a close game against somewhat of a PvP specialist. And I'm pretty sure the argument isn't that his PvT isn't far and away his best match-up, but rather that he's not completely hopeless at his other MU's, and as a young player clearly has space and time to develop.
On June 26 2010 14:12 Sentient66 wrote: Anybody know if there is some sort of technical difficulty going on? The players have just been sitting there, and the commentators just keep talking.
From what I saw it looked like Hydra was having problems cause he had some guy in his booth..but its starting now!
This match is really really crusual for CJ i must say.If they go 2:1 now they will atlast have 2 chances to finish it,but if Modesty wins it will be very hard to comeback.And OZ is just pilling on the pressure,they will face the worst teams this season in proleague next matches,so CJ should produce now.Hope Hydra takes one of the most important zvz`s he`s ever played,
More "hidden" hatchery nonsense. One of the seven thousand variations in ZvZ... Where's KHAN when you need them? I want to see great go Hydra/Lurk again
On June 26 2010 14:18 QuakerOats wrote: Lol how did Modesty do that? He engaged Hydra, who already had his ling arc set up, and yet still managed to have better surrounds in the battle.
Hydra decided he wanted to attack his own choke as opposed to defending it. He couldn't get all his lings engaged, whereas Modesty did. He's (Hydra) gonna die now because he has no larva.
And Modesty has an idle drone . Though he has very nice muta micro. Out micros hydra and he had more I believe. Hydra has 4 lings but they're desperation lings.
On June 26 2010 14:20 De4ngus wrote: Nice ling sneak kills like 4 drones.
Re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
GG from Hydra, but in reality, that game was a bad game, because Hydra had bad ling micro, and bad muta micro, and mirror builds. Hilarious mind games at the beginning were not enough to make that game entertaining.
Well, I feel the main reason why Hydra lost was cause he was counting on the massive amounts of lings he produced to do some damage. I guess he underestimated the timing of the mutas.
If those mutas came out a couple of seconds later, it would've been a different story IMO
On June 26 2010 14:30 Hallucination wrote: Well, I feel the main reason why Hydra lost was cause he was counting on the massive amounts of lings he produced to do some damage. I guess he underestimated the timing of the mutas.
If those mutas came out a couple of seconds later, it would've been a different story IMO
Yeah it's very hard to know when to stop making lings for mutas. Sometimes you delay mutas for lings and you completely crush your opponent leaving them with 2 drones by the time their mutas pop. And sometimes the mutas pop in time and your lings all get owned by mutas, leaving your opponent with a huge head start on muta production. Even the pros can't even tell sometimes.
On June 26 2010 14:30 Hallucination wrote: Well, I feel the main reason why Hydra lost was cause he was counting on the massive amounts of lings he produced to do some damage. I guess he underestimated the timing of the mutas.
If those mutas came out a couple of seconds later, it would've been a different story IMO
Hydra lost because he did not defend Modesty's initial zergling attack correctly, and was thus forced to compensate by making additional zerglings. He then tried to overling and kill Modesty before mutalisks, but hesitated before trying to break out. His break-out was not at all cost-efficient, while Modesty did a great job to delay and weaken Hydra's numbers. At this point, Hydra had three mutalisks + scourge making, while Modesty had five + scourge (larva advantage). Hydra promptly ate two scourge, making the resulting air battle something I could've won.
On June 26 2010 14:30 Hallucination wrote: Well, I feel the main reason why Hydra lost was cause he was counting on the massive amounts of lings he produced to do some damage. I guess he underestimated the timing of the mutas.
If those mutas came out a couple of seconds later, it would've been a different story IMO
Hydra lost because he did not defend Modesty's initial zergling attack correctly, and was thus forced to compensate by making additional zerglings. He then tried to overling and kill Modesty before mutalisks, but hesitated before trying to break out. His break-out was not at all cost-efficient, while Modesty did a great job to delay and weaken Hydra's numbers. At this point, Hydra had three mutalisks + scourge making, while Modesty had five + scourge (larva advantage). Hydra promptly ate two scourge, making the resulting air battle something I could've won.
True, true.
The inital ling didn't make much sense to me. Modesty had his lings at Hydra's choke, Hydra tried to force his lings through to no avail.
On June 26 2010 14:38 Hallucination wrote: interesting, anyone know why the hatch closer to the mineral choke instead of normal placement?
Uh... because it was being blocked?
I wonder if (theoretically) it would make sense to take the bottom right expansion, and defend both it and the 6 o'clock from the high ground. That seems somewhat effective, although a hike for the drones.
On June 26 2010 14:41 Severedevil wrote: The manner pylons prevented Calm from playing 3 base 3 hatch - instead he's on 4 hatches (and adding more now).
I would've thought that would make Kal's corsair much earlier than Calm's scourge, but I guess not.
Kal seriously doesn't even 7(not sure) zealots and a dragoon can't take down a sunken? I mean sure it can get blocked by drones, but then go after the drones.
I feel sometimes protoss players just go through the motions of poking in and never even think about attacking.
On June 26 2010 14:41 Severedevil wrote: The manner pylons prevented Calm from playing 3 base 3 hatch - instead he's on 4 hatches (and adding more now).
I would've thought that would make Kal's corsair much earlier than Calm's scourge, but I guess not.
Whoa dude, STX hosting an in-house tournament on stage or something?
On June 26 2010 14:41 Severedevil wrote: The manner pylons prevented Calm from playing 3 base 3 hatch - instead he's on 4 hatches (and adding more now).
I would've thought that would make Kal's corsair much earlier than Calm's scourge, but I guess not.
Whoa dude, STX hosting an in-house tournament on stage or something?
Whoops.
Effort's play is rather odd, but he's on 3 base 3 gas w/hive, and denied Kal's third. He can afford to lose a bunch of overlords + scourge.
...and Kal loses in embarassing lack-of-style for throwing away his corsairs, and then using dragoons against cracklings.
Fucking hell, how do you not win with critical mass +1 corsairs against an opponent without a den? I guess you could build no dark templars until just now, and suicide all your corsairs for no reason.
I mean really, what was Kal thinking this game. He has +1 sairs, so mutas are not a threat. He sees through scouting that Effort has no hydras or lurkers and is rushing hive, so the only threat are zerglings. And so he makes... goons. And not even one archon.
On June 26 2010 14:48 TwoToneTerran wrote: Effort's strategy:
Survive until cracklings.
Win.
I was going to post something about sick simcities, expo denying, intelligent droning, and a muta switch... but no, you're right. Fast cracklings are imba.
On June 26 2010 14:50 Wala.Revolution wrote: Someone just said storms not effective vs zerglings ><
They are and they aren't. They CAN rape waves and waves of lings. But they also force you to storm your own units and if they only hit 1 wave of lings then they aren't killing much.
On June 26 2010 14:48 TwoToneTerran wrote: Effort's strategy:
Survive until cracklings.
Win.
I was going to post something about sick simcities, expo denying, intelligent droning, and a muta switch... but no, you're right. Fast cracklings are imba.
Hahahhaha
I don't think lings are that good against zealots/archons :3
On June 26 2010 14:48 TwoToneTerran wrote: Effort's strategy:
Survive until cracklings.
Win.
I was going to post something about sick simcities, expo denying, intelligent droning, and a muta switch... but no, you're right. Fast cracklings are imba.
Literally all of that is the surviving part. Then cracklings. Woop.
On June 26 2010 14:48 TwoToneTerran wrote: Effort's strategy:
Survive until cracklings.
Win.
I was going to post something about sick simcities, expo denying, intelligent droning, and a muta switch... but no, you're right. Fast cracklings are imba.
Literally all of that is the surviving part. Then cracklings. Woop.
how is expo denying classified as surviving?
On June 26 2010 14:55 iamho wrote: effort is just kwanro minus the micro
On June 26 2010 14:48 TwoToneTerran wrote: Effort's strategy:
Survive until cracklings.
Win.
I was going to post something about sick simcities, expo denying, intelligent droning, and a muta switch... but no, you're right. Fast cracklings are imba.
Literally all of that is the surviving part. Then cracklings. Woop.
Finally Effort stops urinating wildly and wins a game. I wonder if they'll send him out for the ace match too. They have to know that it's what STX is expecting.
On June 26 2010 14:50 Wala.Revolution wrote: Someone just said storms not effective vs zerglings ><
They are and they aren't. They CAN rape waves and waves of lings. But they also force you to storm your own units and if they only hit 1 wave of lings then they aren't killing much.
Only time they aren't effective is if your forces are absolutely surrounded.
Even if surrounded, mass lings just cluster and storming them isn't that hard. Just storm a 'spot' or on your zeals and back them off. Lings just melt. Archons may be more effective vs pure lings but storms are effective just as well and a must PvZ.
Even the commentator kinda retracted himself after he said something dumb, somewhat sidestepping what he just said.
Effort really likes lings ..He played vary well this game,non-stop attack with lings and managing economy at the same time.He did good considering the early Oive slaughter
On June 26 2010 14:48 TwoToneTerran wrote: Effort's strategy:
Survive until cracklings.
Win.
I was going to post something about sick simcities, expo denying, intelligent droning, and a muta switch... but no, you're right. Fast cracklings are imba.
Literally all of that is the surviving part. Then cracklings. Woop.
BAM!
Anyway, lame game.
I thought it was okay. Different from what you normally see in a zvp.
On June 26 2010 15:01 n.DieJokes wrote: Oh boy, a TvT on grand line! I hope they split the map in half again and the game goes on forever and ever! + Show Spoiler +
Time for bed, do it bogus
For some reason I love watching TvT cross spawn on Grand Line. Something about the strategy and positioning.
On June 26 2010 14:56 QuakerOats wrote: This was one of the worst games I've seen in recent memory. How could Kal be so bad?
Kal was doing fine till he sac'ed his army to (not) kill 6. And that would have worked except for the 12 muta he didn't know EffOrt had.
After that it was hero hold mode and it wasn't enough.
Kal killed almost all of Effort's ovies and saw that he had no hydras or lurkers. ANY followup at that point would have worked better than what he did. Muta/ling, the only units Effort could possibly make, is pretty much the hard counter to goon/temp (in small numbers, which they were).
On June 26 2010 15:00 jalstar wrote: Kal's record against Jaedong, Effort, and ZerO: 4-24.
Kal just isn't good against good ZvPers.
Yeah and each time we have a Kal vs Zero/Effort/JD series Kal fans think he will crush them. :p
Thing is... every Z is a ZvPer =_=
Thing is, Kal is 58-25 against Zergs that aren't ZerO/Effort/Jaedong. That's 70%, so people get the impression Kal is good at PvZ, when really he only beats mediocre Zergs and not the top ones.
On June 26 2010 15:03 Ideas wrote: rofl both teams try to snipe
i doubt either player was expecting this at ALL
Sending out Iris means CJ expected any of the three races imo.
Iris is our only all-round player.
they shoulda sent out effort. the only person on STX favored vs him right now is probably modesty, and STX wouldnt take that risk since he is just GARBAGE vs T and P.
On June 26 2010 15:03 Ideas wrote: rofl both teams try to snipe
i doubt either player was expecting this at ALL
Sending out Iris means CJ expected any of the three races imo.
Iris is our only all-round player.
they shoulda sent out effort. the only person on STX favored vs him right now is probably modesty, and STX wouldnt take that risk since he is just GARBAGE vs T and P.
I would say Modesty is favored against Effort, Snow, and Skyhigh, who are the most common ace choices for CJ. That's why I expected Modesty vs Movie/Iris since Coach Cho is smart enough to expect Modesty.
On June 26 2010 15:03 Ideas wrote: rofl both teams try to snipe
i doubt either player was expecting this at ALL
Sending out Iris means CJ expected any of the three races imo.
Iris is our only all-round player.
they shoulda sent out effort. the only person on STX favored vs him right now is probably modesty, and STX wouldnt take that risk since he is just GARBAGE vs T and P.
I would say Modesty is favored against Effort, Snow, and Skyhigh, who are the most common ace choices for CJ. That's why I expected Modesty vs Movie/Iris since Coach Cho is smart enough to expect Modesty.
Lol Modesty favoured over Snow, have you ever seen him ZvP?
On June 26 2010 15:00 jalstar wrote: Kal's record against Jaedong, Effort, and ZerO: 4-24.
Kal just isn't good against good ZvPers.
Yeah and each time we have a Kal vs Zero/Effort/JD series Kal fans think he will crush them. :p
Thing is... every Z is a ZvPer =_=
You have clearly never watched RorO play.
It's funny because RorO is terrible. But remember, never put him on your anti-team in FPL because he will destroy it.
On topic: We're fortunate enough to get cross positions, makes it cooler imo
Saying "RorO is terrible" isn't quite accurate. He gives that impression, but the truth is more like this:
His ZvT is very good. His ZvZ is okayish to good. But his ZvP is terrible and shows no understanding of Starcraft, let alone the matchup - so people end up thinking he's bad. He's like the Zerg version of fbh or something.
On June 26 2010 15:03 Ideas wrote: rofl both teams try to snipe
i doubt either player was expecting this at ALL
Sending out Iris means CJ expected any of the three races imo.
Iris is our only all-round player.
they shoulda sent out effort. the only person on STX favored vs him right now is probably modesty, and STX wouldnt take that risk since he is just GARBAGE vs T and P.
I would say Modesty is favored against Effort, Snow, and Skyhigh, who are the most common ace choices for CJ. That's why I expected Modesty vs Movie/Iris since Coach Cho is smart enough to expect Modesty.
Lol Modesty favoured over Snow, have you ever seen him ZvP?
Snow's PvZ isn't that great..it would be a close game.
On June 26 2010 15:00 jalstar wrote: Kal's record against Jaedong, Effort, and ZerO: 4-24.
Kal just isn't good against good ZvPers.
Yeah and each time we have a Kal vs Zero/Effort/JD series Kal fans think he will crush them. :p
Thing is... every Z is a ZvPer =_=
You have clearly never watched RorO play.
or Hydra...
Iris only Kespa #53.
On June 26 2010 15:09 jalstar wrote:
On June 26 2010 15:07 Ideas wrote:
On June 26 2010 15:04 SuperArc wrote:
On June 26 2010 15:03 Ideas wrote: rofl both teams try to snipe
i doubt either player was expecting this at ALL
Sending out Iris means CJ expected any of the three races imo.
Iris is our only all-round player.
they shoulda sent out effort. the only person on STX favored vs him right now is probably modesty, and STX wouldnt take that risk since he is just GARBAGE vs T and P.
I would say Modesty is favored against Effort, Snow, and Skyhigh, who are the most common ace choices for CJ. That's why I expected Modesty vs Movie/Iris since Coach Cho is smart enough to expect Modesty.
Lol Modesty favoured over Snow, have you ever seen him ZvP?
Snow's PvZ isn't that great..it would be a close game.
Modesty's ZvP stats are 1-9, in a age where ZvP is horribly imbalanced.
Bogus checks for mines - and sees none. He should have had tanks out in time to block choke and trade all vults for delayed mining time and he'll win if that happened.
Bogus taking 9 with 3 dropships. This advantage will compound.
Bogus is getting absolutely violated in these dropship wars atm. I don't know how long he can continue to lose troops like this and still stay in the game.
i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
WeMade plays Nada occasionally, CJ plays Iris occasionally, MBC plays Pusan occasionally... What does STX do? Oh that's right. They never play July. Justice from above!!!
On June 26 2010 15:32 DarkMatter_ wrote: If they were expecting Effort, why not just send Calm? His ZvZ is pretty good, certainly better than sending some mediocre Terran.
On June 26 2010 15:32 DarkMatter_ wrote: If they were expecting Effort, why not just send Calm? His ZvZ is pretty good, certainly better than sending some mediocre Terran.
On June 26 2010 15:32 Ideas wrote: i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
Meh, wasn't STX 9-2 or 8-3 in round 4 without Hwasin? Why does it suddenly matter now?
On June 26 2010 15:32 Ideas wrote: i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
STX not only lost their captain, but also their terran.
On June 26 2010 15:33 InTheFade wrote: WeMade plays Nada occasionally, CJ plays Iris occasionally, MBC plays Pusan occasionally... What does STX do? Oh that's right. They never play July. Justice from above!!!
I don't know what STX was thinking sending bogus anyways, he wouldn't be able to 'snipe' anyone. I guess the coach is just trying to prepare more played for their future BO7's.
On June 26 2010 15:32 Ideas wrote: i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
STX not only lost their captain, but also their terran.
On June 26 2010 15:33 InTheFade wrote: WeMade plays Nada occasionally, CJ plays Iris occasionally, MBC plays Pusan occasionally... What does STX do? Oh that's right. They never play July. Justice from above!!!
Yeah, STX still not playing July is sad.
Hes not even on the A-team anymore either..pretty sad .
On June 26 2010 15:32 Ideas wrote: i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
Meh, wasn't STX 9-2 or 8-3 in round 4 without Hwasin? Why does it suddenly matter now?
hwasin was still kicking around the house I think (although not allowed to play any more). he was officially banned right at the beginning of round 5.
On June 26 2010 15:32 Ideas wrote: i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
Meh, wasn't STX 9-2 or 8-3 in round 4 without Hwasin? Why does it suddenly matter now?
Without Hwasin yes, but if you take a closer look you'll notice that Calm/Kal went 2-0 a lot in R4.
Now if one or even both suddenly slump? R5 is the result.
It's like STX lost their whole depth with hwasin's loss
On June 26 2010 15:33 InTheFade wrote: WeMade plays Nada occasionally, CJ plays Iris occasionally, MBC plays Pusan occasionally... What does STX do? Oh that's right. They never play July. Justice from above!!!
the worst part is how back in February-ish july said in an interview that he was going to be returning to Proleague shortly :\
LOL next games are a preview of playoffs MBC vs SKT and CJ vs FOX.Although they will not be in this order in the 3-6 rankings.So probably will be cj-mbc and skt-fox
On June 26 2010 15:36 InTheFade wrote: Hmm, that's one jumbled playoff picture. So basically, Oz, KHAN, and Stars have to win EVERY match to have even a prayer for the playoffs?
Pretty much, and even then that might not be enough, lol. =/
Edit: Oh right, you said to even have a prayer of making it!
On June 26 2010 15:32 Ideas wrote: i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
Meh, wasn't STX 9-2 or 8-3 in round 4 without Hwasin? Why does it suddenly matter now?
Without Hwasin yes, but if you take a closer look you'll notice that Calm/Kal went 2-0 a lot in R4.
Now if one or even both suddenly slump? R5 is the result.
It's like STX lost their whole depth with hwasin's loss
man i get shudders just thinking about how bad we'd be if it was still the oldschool format of 1 of every race :\
On June 26 2010 15:32 Ideas wrote: i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
Meh, wasn't STX 9-2 or 8-3 in round 4 without Hwasin? Why does it suddenly matter now?
Without Hwasin yes, but if you take a closer look you'll notice that Calm/Kal went 2-0 a lot in R4.
Now if one or even both suddenly slump? R5 is the result.
Ah, you underestimate the situation. Basically all of STX is horrible this round, not just the aces. Let's not forget to share the blame :p
Pop quiz (don't look it up!!!) STX has only 1 player that has a winning record in round 5. Name that player!
On June 26 2010 15:32 Ideas wrote: i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
Meh, wasn't STX 9-2 or 8-3 in round 4 without Hwasin? Why does it suddenly matter now?
Without Hwasin yes, but if you take a closer look you'll notice that Calm/Kal went 2-0 a lot in R4.
Now if one or even both suddenly slump? R5 is the result.
Ah, you underestimate the situation. Basically all of STX is horrible this round, not just the aces. Let's not forget to share the blame :p
Pop quiz (don't look it up!!!) STX has only 1 player that has a winning record in round 5. Name that player!
On June 26 2010 15:32 Ideas wrote: i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
Meh, wasn't STX 9-2 or 8-3 in round 4 without Hwasin? Why does it suddenly matter now?
Without Hwasin yes, but if you take a closer look you'll notice that Calm/Kal went 2-0 a lot in R4.
Now if one or even both suddenly slump? R5 is the result.
Ah, you underestimate the situation. Basically all of STX is horrible this round, not just the aces. Let's not forget to share the blame :p
Pop quiz (don't look it up!!!) STX has only 1 player that has a winning record in round 5. Name that player!
On June 26 2010 15:49 jalstar wrote: I don't see any scenario where CJ don't make playoffs, unless ACE upsets them.
it's been happening all round btw
Well if CJ go 0-3 the winner of OZ vs KHAN might have a chance, but it's still unlikely. OZ would have to beat SKT or MBC (which is tough), and KHAN would have to beat KT or WeMade (which is tougher).
If CJ win even one remaining game, that forces OZ or KHAN to go 5-0 to qualify. OZ might be able to go 4-1 and make up set differential but KHAN can't.
On June 26 2010 15:32 Ideas wrote: i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
Meh, wasn't STX 9-2 or 8-3 in round 4 without Hwasin? Why does it suddenly matter now?
Without Hwasin yes, but if you take a closer look you'll notice that Calm/Kal went 2-0 a lot in R4.
Now if one or even both suddenly slump? R5 is the result.
Ah, you underestimate the situation. Basically all of STX is horrible this round, not just the aces. Let's not forget to share the blame :p
Pop quiz (don't look it up!!!) STX has only 1 player that has a winning record in round 5. Name that player!
On June 26 2010 15:32 Ideas wrote: i wonder if the team's slump has anything to do with hwasin getting banned from the league. he used to be STX's captain. it's gotta be bad on morale (same idea could be applied to CJ losing savior although they havent been doing as bad as STX, still not very good).
Meh, wasn't STX 9-2 or 8-3 in round 4 without Hwasin? Why does it suddenly matter now?
Without Hwasin yes, but if you take a closer look you'll notice that Calm/Kal went 2-0 a lot in R4.
Now if one or even both suddenly slump? R5 is the result.
Ah, you underestimate the situation. Basically all of STX is horrible this round, not just the aces. Let's not forget to share the blame :p
Pop quiz (don't look it up!!!) STX has only 1 player that has a winning record in round 5. Name that player!
And that player in question is currently the Terran veteran of the team. His role is to be a reliable player that rookies have to rely on for tips and mental support.
You get what I'm saying. Next T in line after Hwasin for most live TV experience and overall progamer experience.
This is sad. PL feels unfair in a way -- STX was doing so well all year, but recent momentum counts a lot for playoffs. I don't see them doing well when both their top players are doing so poorly. Hell, Calm wasn't even selected. At least Modesty and Shuttle did their expected jobs as matchup specialists. If the dual aces can shape up in time we'll get back on track.
BOGUS?! Really!? That's absolutely bogus. I guess they're preparing for playoffs and getting Bogus some play time. Gonna be hard for Oz to get 6th place with CJ winning...
Part of the strategy, empty bench means the other team has no idea Bogus was even there. then it's like, oh shit, it's Bogus, wtf???!?! Didn't work this time, but it will, oh it will.
I think KT was trying to keep oz out of the playoffs but what do afraid Jaedong? I like him as a character he is a true gentlemen to go for coffe, some beers is nice and all of the Pro Players know he may give some games to them to help them clime the 'charts' a little and they playing polite and by the book with him but do Protoss need that kind of 'help' anymore?
I tryed my best to make PvZ really hard for the Zergs and is time for all Protoss players to say enough is enough why to let the zergs to grow big and go for a late game victory? Their units are cheeper that the protoss are loosing couse they spend greater amound of minerals and this is WHY they loose in end. I gave to Protoss an almost unbreakable winning pattern and it used by Stats in effort you seen what happen? Is think is time for Protoss to take out all zergs out once and for all.
im starting to think that STX is just going to spend the rest of the round playing their inexperienced players in an attempt to get some experience for playoff preparation. I mean they're guaranteed a playoff spot no matter what.
On June 27 2010 05:04 Gtks wrote: I think KT was trying to keep oz out of the playoffs but what do afraid Jaedong? I like him as a character he is a true gentlemen to go for coffe, some beers is nice and all of the Pro Players know he may give some games to them to help them clime the 'charts' a little and they playing polite and by the book with him but do Protoss need that kind of 'help' anymore?
I tryed my best to make PvZ really hard for the Zergs and is time for all Protoss players to say enough is enough why to let the zergs to grow big and go for a late game victory? Their units are cheeper that the protoss are loosing couse they spend greater amound of minerals and this is WHY they loose in end. I gave to Protoss an almost unbreakable winning pattern and it used by Stats in effort you seen what happen? Is think is time for Protoss to take out all zergs out once and for all.
Ps: Becouse of Snow i learn to play Protoss.
Unfortunately, most of the protoss(except Bisu just started to recover, Snow does pretty well although he doesn't have a good vZ record) recently decided to start sucking. Stork, free, Kal etc aren't doing as well as they need to to compete with the top zergs. They just don't have the momentum right now to do that well, and unless Bisu(or some other less likely candidate) continues to dominate zerg, it probably won't happen soon. Also, many zerg are really good at vP and suck against everything else. But protoss can beat lategame zerg as long as they keep up in macro and get the right army. Ultras melt away to a good protoss archon/HT/reaver/zealot force.
On June 27 2010 05:16 Ideas wrote: im starting to think that STX is just going to spend the rest of the round playing their inexperienced players in an attempt to get some experience for playoff preparation. I mean they're guaranteed a playoff spot no matter what.
Thats what I thought too, but why bogus for ACE? They should have played him in the regular line up, STX is in the playoffs so it doesn't really matter anyways..but bogus!??!
On June 28 2010 00:25 Confuse wrote: Well, it was closer then their previous matches, I guess that "don't put them on the bench, just stay in the waiting room" strategy did help...
Honestly, they may have just gotten lucky. They sent 2 snipers against the races that they would be successful at sniping. That probably was their main reason for getting this far.
On June 27 2010 05:04 Gtks wrote: I tryed my best to make PvZ really hard for the Zergs and is time for all Protoss players to say enough is enough why to let the zergs to grow big and go for a late game victory? Their units are cheeper that the protoss are loosing couse they spend greater amound of minerals and this is WHY they loose in end. I gave to Protoss an almost unbreakable winning pattern and it used by Stats in effort you seen what happen? Is think is time for Protoss to take out all zergs out once and for all.
On June 10 2010 19:56 Gtks wrote: Bonus tip: an 'early' reaver can 'force' zerg to go for Hydralisk and lurkers this move combined with the above gameplay creats a Time Window for the protoss players get advandage building more units, in this time window an attack can be deadly also (look mom no hands).
To PvT the priorities changed to High templars first.
Looking forward to more of your rubbish strategy posts. You even have the gall to link us to more of them and suggest that stats uses your build? You should really work on the broken english and game knowledge before trying to lecture TL about PvZ. Stick to 'Snow is so gosu' or 'Sick micro by snow'. Half of what you say doesn't even make sense.
In that threat i did the Mistake to reply to some pleople that don't understund the Time Calculated logic and they banned me, Is not wize of me to make the same mistake twise.
Posting PMs regardless of how asinine they may be in generally in poor taste and it's best to avoid it. Even idiots have the right to privacy to a degree.
This guy's posts read like time cube theory though.
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