EPT[OSL] Korean Air OSL Grand Final - Page 309
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
Effort defeated Flash in the Grand Final, fair and square. End of the story. | ||
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GrayArea
United States872 Posts
On May 24 2010 03:05 insult wrote: I think that the current starleague formats are not suitable anymore. The wrong players end up winning, and we simply can't have that. Maybe there could be a list of acceptable strategies for the final. For example 6-pooling would be illegal, unless the zerg player is Jaedong or July, in which case that choice of strategy is deemed genius. Or instead of actual games we could just have a panel of experts who decide which player deserves the title. lmfao! hilarious post haha! | ||
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kyophan
United States113 Posts
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BlueApex
63 Posts
On May 24 2010 05:09 kyophan wrote: God. Flash fanboys are always looking for an excuse for flash's defeat. They are so desperate as to go all the way back to that re-re-re-re game as an excuse...So pathetic. Effort beat flash without any tricks. Deal with it. Re-games mess up flash, idk what to say | ||
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malathion
United States362 Posts
On May 24 2010 01:12 G5 wrote: Flash is a class above EffOrt EffOrt won every game with cheese (except Game 4 which was retarded). When EffOrt was put against the wall and he was feeling nervous he relied on cheese. When Flash was put into game 5, he manned up and went 14 CC like a fucking BALLER i unno man.... I honestly think the better man lost today. God this series games 3-5 made me mad as fuck. I'd just like to quote this as the one and only retarded Flash fanboy post in this entire thread. The rest of us are making it pretty clear: Effort won, Flash lost, fair and square Flash has no excuses. But there are other reasons to be disappointed by this series than being a Flash fanboy. I predicted Flash 3-1 and went into the series expecting something like G1, G2, G3, and then maybe a repeat of G2. Instead Flash crashed and burned due to a combination of bad luck and really bad (well below his ability) decision making in the final two games. You don't have to be a fan of either player to know that Flash played well below his ability and didn't do the most obvious and consistent path to victory for him: 1rax CC into letting his midgame abilities win the games for him, which is why he lost. You don't have to be a fanboy like the quoted post above to get this. Flash is capable of much more than what he delivered to us and the quality of the games was far below what it should have been. So yes, Flash has no excuses for losing, but as spectators, the series was a major disappointment. | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
The best player should win....always. So you actually dont even have to play the games. If Flash play effort in a final, its obvious that flash is better, should win easy so no need to play it, just have a ceremony were you give flash the prize. But that would be boring, so instead we do it like in Wrestling. We kinda decide before the game, that you start of like this, I try a lingrunby but you block amazing and then counter with bla bla bla and I end the game with a 2 shuttle drop with tanks and you GG when I take out the Hatchery. The point to this horrible post of course is that if the best player on paper always won the game, nobody would like watching any sport at all. You have to play for it, and your never better then your last game....case closed! | ||
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pieisamazing
United States1234 Posts
Except when Flash loses. | ||
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Archer_
United States14 Posts
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On May 24 2010 05:39 purpose wrote: Ok so this is how starcraft should work according to flash fanboys. The best player should win....always. So you actually dont even have to play the games. If Flash play effort in a final, its obvious that flash is better, should win easy so no need to play it, just have a ceremony were you give flash the prize. But that would be boring, so instead we do it like in Wrestling. We kinda decide before the game, that you start of like this, I try a lingrunby but you block amazing and then counter with bla bla bla and I end the game with a 2 shuttle drop with tanks and you GG when I take out the Hatchery. The point to this horrible post of course is that if the best player on paper always won the game, nobody would like watching any sport at all. You have to play for it, and your never better then your last game....case closed! People don't rage because Effort won. It is the fashion in which he won and Flash lost, namely terrible decision making by Flash and the fact that he did not resist the pressure. If Effort won with some spectacular play then people wouldn't be so pissed and most of them would have swallow it easily. To be honest I am a Flash fan, I am really disappointed by the final but well, things like this happen. But I can understand why some people are angry. If Flash went standard in 2 last games and lost it would have been other matter. But he decided for two ultra risky builds in a situation when he only needed one more win and lost in a bad fashion. That is really disappointing if you are his fan. And to close this post I think that an unbiased observer would agree that this was a disappointing series. Props to Effort for winning but I for one was hoping for more exciting games. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:44 Lebesgue wrote: People don't rage because Effort won. It is the fashion in which he won and Flash lost, namely terrible decision making by Flash and the fact that he did not resist the pressure. If Effort won with some spectacular play then people wouldn't be so pissed and most of them would have swallow it easily. To be honest I am a Flash fan, I am really disappointed by the final but well, things like this happen. But I can understand why some people are angry. If Flash went standard in 2 last games and lost it would have been other matter. But he decided for two ultra risky builds in a situation when he only needed one more win and lost in a bad fashion. That is really disappointing if you are his fan. And to close this post I think that an unbiased observer would agree that this was a disappointing series. Props to Effort for winning but I for one was hoping for more exciting games. See, I understand that. Obviously this was a disappointing finals compared to the hype (100 damn pages. >_< ) But what I don't understand is how some people are pissed at Effort for "cheese" instead of being pissed at FLASH for trying BBS followed by 14cc when he obviously didn't need it. If it's anyone that cheated us out of an epic finals, it's flash, not effort. )=< | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:44 Lebesgue wrote: People don't rage because Effort won. It is the fashion in which he won and Flash lost, namely terrible decision making by Flash and the fact that he did not resist the pressure. If Effort won with some spectacular play then people wouldn't be so pissed and most of them would have swallow it easily. To be honest I am a Flash fan, I am really disappointed by the final but well, things like this happen. But I can understand why some people are angry. If Flash went standard in 2 last games and lost it would have been other matter. But he decided for two ultra risky builds in a situation when he only needed one more win and lost in a bad fashion. That is really disappointing if you are his fan. And to close this post I think that an unbiased observer would agree that this was a disappointing series. Props to Effort for winning but I for one was hoping for more exciting games. I am not a fan of either players. So as an objective bystander, the level of game play of this OSL finals and decision making was rather disappointing for some a grand stage. Game 1was kinda over after Effort failed so hard with a hydra muta attack at the front and lost so much and did no damage. Afterward, Flash just played a standard mech game to roll Effort. Easy, although people could have hoped for a better game after waiting so long for the re-game. Game was of passable finals standards since spawn broodling and parasite was used. Effort flew his muta group over marines in game 2 and lost 3 or 4 which pretty much cost the game. Mistakes like that is completely unacceptable for players of such calibers in such a situation. He lost the game right there and then. Game 3 was a joke in decision making for a finals. I don't what the fuck Flash was doing to miss-micro his marines and move them out piece meal. He moved out with no info what so ever and did a bad job of it as well. I give props to Effort in game 4 for expecting cheese and expecting a mech drop. Epic star sense. But other than that, nothing to special. Scouted BBS cheese gets rolled. Short game, no real action and suspense. Game 5 was Flash going to for economic cheese and Effort opened with the worst possible build to fight it. So he made the right decision to all-in ling push cause there was no fucking realistic way he was going to beat Flash in a macro game with such a econ advantage considering Flash was going for marines and medics. So mad props to Effort for thinking straight and having the balls and mad micro for doing what he needed to do to win. Good read by Flash on Effort's build, good counter by Effort in reaction. Game would have been passable for the other 4 games, but as this was game 5, I expected way more. | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
The re-game happened, Flash wins the next 2... the re-game is a non issue at that point. Flash played greedy builds up 2-0, Effort was all over them (except game 3, and that was because of the ling suicide into surround Effort pulled off). | ||
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SanguineToss
Canada815 Posts
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InTheFade
United States1721 Posts
On May 24 2010 01:21 G5 wrote: I could fucking do what EffOrt did in those games and I don't even play that match up. I just want you to know that this was the single dumbest thing I've ever read. | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On May 24 2010 07:20 InTheFade wrote: I just want you to know that this was the single dumbest thing I've ever read. Mechanically wise, yeah, he probably could copy Effort's play in game 3 and 4 if he was a C level player. I doubt it for game 5, lots of ling micro multitasking going on there. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8082 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
If Flash really was so great, he could afford to 1-rax cc like the game 2. Instead, he chooses to 14cc. Apparently its Effort's fault for a "bad game" for taking advantage of a stupid risky build. If Flash made four ccs before barracks and Effort won with ling break, there'd probably still be whiners. Effort was progressing normally to 2H muta (gas before pool, lair, etc) and switched into ling attack once he saw it. What do you really expect Effort to do after seeing the 14cc? Just go "oh well, I'll let Flash go to midgame with a huge advantage so Flash fans can drool over Flash being awesome." If it was JD or July doing what Effort did, nobody would complain. People are whining because of their pre-conceived notions about player skill levels and who "should have" won. Leave your assumptions at the door, OSL Finals is about more than that. On May 24 2010 07:37 Vasoline73 wrote: lol reading page 307 makes me think Effort fans are more butthurt than the Flash fans they keep insulting. Effort won the OSL remember? You guys should relax and be happy. Haha heh arguing about a reverse 0-2 to 3-2 OSL win by one of my favorite players is actually pretty enjoyable | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
On May 24 2010 07:39 Hot_Bid wrote: If you want to blame someone for a short or "bad" game 5, blame Flash. I'm a Flash fan and I'm not "blaming" anyone but Flash. Nor are most others. I've only seen a handful of posts blaming Effort or something else. Oh, and Flash deserved to win, but that doesn't mean Effort didn't deserve to win as well. Both were in the final after all; there's not much more to it than that. Flash gambled and it didn't pay off; Effort exploited Flash's weaknesses perfectly. Drawing any further conclusions from such a volatile series is silly. | ||
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Lebesgue
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