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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 10:08:53
May 07 2010 10:08 GMT
#461
Pure played too greedy on tech after losing his harassment units. He needed to EITHER lose units harassing for econ damage, OR go with a low unit count for more tech, but not both. Pretty sure with +2 reavers, +1 shuttle & +4 zealots, he would've been fine.
My strategy is to fork people.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 07 2010 10:08 GMT
#462
they both had exactly 344 apm wow
brood war for life, brood war forever
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
May 07 2010 10:08 GMT
#463
On May 07 2010 19:04 TheYango wrote:
2 goliaths and a marine fight back Pure's pitiful carrier fleet.


I love how that marine was STILL alive.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
May 07 2010 10:08 GMT
#464
On May 07 2010 19:05 nozaro33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 19:04 SkelA wrote:
so this is pure playing with a big advantage... i cant see him playing on even odds


um... Pure never had a big advantage. He protected his early nex, but lost at least 7~8 probes


so lets see flash losing 6 scvs 4 marines 1 vult and pure losing 7 probes 2 zeals while he 12 nex . I say thats a preety big advantage
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
May 07 2010 10:09 GMT
#465
im from germany and the stream´s working fine for me atm.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Withershins
Profile Joined December 2009
Vatican City State101 Posts
May 07 2010 10:09 GMT
#466
On May 07 2010 19:05 Lann555 wrote:
Not even sure if this will be worth watching anymore. Flash will probably roll Pure in 2 more macro games without too much trouble.



These are absolutely horrible BO5s. MVP yesterday and now Pure. Makes me want to shoot people who cheer when a good played drops out early.
roronoe
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada1527 Posts
May 07 2010 10:09 GMT
#467
On May 07 2010 19:06 Vivi57 wrote:
pure actually did a *really* good job up until his decision to get carriers

if he hadn't, he would've done a good job fending off that attack and could have kept even goign into the late game


Nah, toss is always weak when transitioning to carriers. Flash either knew carriers were coming or just happened to push out at that time.
The Purgatory of Endless Depths
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
May 07 2010 10:09 GMT
#468
lol when flash pushed out legs were 25% done, really really horrible play from Pure here.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
May 07 2010 10:09 GMT
#469
Heh, replay shows that zealot speed was about 2/3 done when Flash pushed.
. . . nevermore
NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
May 07 2010 10:09 GMT
#470
On May 07 2010 19:07 revy wrote:
That ht sniping by Flash was beautiful during that timing push. I'm trying to figure out where all of pure's money went to though, no lot speed, 1 shuttle of ht, no arbs, and an army of comparable size to Flash.


Reaver tech, mass expand, stargates, carrier tech, air upgrades, etc etc.

I think if he had went mass gateways and then fought off the push he'd be in a favourable position.
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
May 07 2010 10:10 GMT
#471
that wasnt a very effective transition!
when did flash scout it?
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
May 07 2010 10:10 GMT
#472
What the heck? Livestream blocking Germany? What have we done now again?
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
May 07 2010 10:10 GMT
#473
I think Pure didn't know what he should do with such a greedy Terran. I bet he didn't expect Flash to expand so much, and rather than build up gates + units, he tried to do some reaver harass and expand himself.
CJ Entusman #24
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
May 07 2010 10:10 GMT
#474
Oh wow Flash's vultures targeted all the HTs right as they were unloaded from the shuttle, great play by Flash.
. . . nevermore
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 07 2010 10:10 GMT
#475
On May 07 2010 19:10 pvzvt wrote:
that wasnt a very effective transition!
when did flash scout it?


He didn't. He saw dead reavers and decided to push.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 07 2010 10:10 GMT
#476
I dunno why people think flash's push was so great that game it would've gotten totally smashed had pure had zealot legs
brood war for life, brood war forever
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
May 07 2010 10:10 GMT
#477
On May 07 2010 19:05 QuothTheRaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 19:04 SkelA wrote:
so this is pure playing with a big advantage... i cant see him playing on even odds

Yeah that has to be demoralizing for Pure. Getting up a 12nex, stopping Flash's SCV bunker rush, and then still getting savagely out-macro'd and outplayed.

Though to be fair Flash only brought a few SCVs, and he also killed a good number of probes.

Make no mistake, Flash came out ahead in the early game exchange. Yes flash had a slower cc but as soon as it was completed it was filled with scvs. Even with 2 nexuses it took Pure a significant amount of time to replenish his probe count. This allowed Flash to exploit a timing window that allowed him to skip siege and get a fast third cc and STILL be safe. This wouldnt be possible with a normal fact cc opening. From there he just took all the "safe" bases available on the map (bases relatively close to his main), made a effecient number of scvs, and then macroed perfectly. It's not just a "timing" push. It's a push that uses all the variable and optimal timings available; from the early game, to the midgame, to the endgame...it's perfect macro.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 07 2010 10:11 GMT
#478
like how the commentators were like "what's that marine doing still alive"
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
May 07 2010 10:11 GMT
#479
On May 07 2010 19:09 roronoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2010 19:06 Vivi57 wrote:
pure actually did a *really* good job up until his decision to get carriers

if he hadn't, he would've done a good job fending off that attack and could have kept even goign into the late game


Nah, toss is always weak when transitioning to carriers. Flash either knew carriers were coming or just happened to push out at that time.

Flash pushed out after Pure lost 2 reavers and 1 shuttle (and 1 shuttle + 4 zealots dropping for some reason). (Technically the shuttle and 1 reaver survived on low hit points, but they were trapped in Flash's base.) And, surprise surprise, Pure didn't have enough units to defend after losing those units.
My strategy is to fork people.
IGoUnseen
Profile Joined September 2009
United States72 Posts
May 07 2010 10:11 GMT
#480
On May 07 2010 19:06 Vivi57 wrote:
pure actually did a *really* good job up until his decision to get carriers

if he hadn't, he would've done a good job fending off that attack and could have kept even goign into the late game


Did you watch his shuttle harass? He did nothing with it, barely even tried. What else actually happened early game that made you think he did well? Both of them just took bases and made units. First battle of the game Pure gets crushed and GG.
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