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purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
April 29 2010 11:18 GMT
#761
Lost almost all carriers, though.
Kwanroller
Profile Joined April 2010
Afghanistan459 Posts
April 29 2010 11:18 GMT
#762
Free's control of units is absolutely horrendous though. Its like he doesn't know how to multitask.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 29 2010 11:18 GMT
#763
free about mined out. looking very weary in his booth. hiya's latest expo is going up again now after the cc snipe. meanwhile free is about mined out.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
April 29 2010 11:18 GMT
#764
Free just lost most of his stuff though and now he's dead broke. Hiya on fairly low eco as well, but he has a much larger standing army.
. . . nevermore
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 29 2010 11:18 GMT
#765
3 vultures picking off templar - they throw down their storms desperately, 2 of the remaining templar merge to an archon
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 29 2010 11:18 GMT
#766
Meanwhile free lost a nexus to THREE FUCKING VULTURES

T_T
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
TheMute
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States458 Posts
April 29 2010 11:18 GMT
#767
shouldve used those kick ass storms earlier free, oh wells maybe next time
Friends are simply people you can do/say vulgar things to.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
April 29 2010 11:18 GMT
#768
On April 29 2010 20:18 Kwanroller wrote:
Free's control of units is absolutely horrendous though. Its like he doesn't know how to multitask.

wtf?
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
April 29 2010 11:18 GMT
#769
On April 29 2010 18:05 boesthius wrote:
i'll be streaming yo

http://tv.zeroboy.net/HATEPLOW


Wuv you.
When there's Flash there's a way.
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
April 29 2010 11:19 GMT
#770
Free cant possibly win this game.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 29 2010 11:19 GMT
#771
Hiya got this.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 29 2010 11:19 GMT
#772
free is done. 1 carrier, 1 archon, some zealots, 2 goons and 1 templar.

hiya has already rebuilt his entire army.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
April 29 2010 11:19 GMT
#773
Hiya's gol army is tearing through everything.
When there's Flash there's a way.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
April 29 2010 11:19 GMT
#774
why is everyone dragging out their games tongiht ==
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 29 2010 11:19 GMT
#775
I think hiya has the clear advantage now

he's defending 7 which has plenty of minerals while most of the other bases on the map have very few left

just 12.5, the center expo, and 7.5 have lots left
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
April 29 2010 11:19 GMT
#776
Free mining a little from top right.

Hiya's only distance mining from the bottom left nat while his CC builds. Now it's finished, both players on 1 base but Hiya with more minerals on his side.
. . . nevermore
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
April 29 2010 11:19 GMT
#777
This is what a 3/3 GOLIATH ARMY DOES.
When there's Flash there's a way.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
April 29 2010 11:19 GMT
#778
Instead of doing those failcalls earlier Free should have just kept expanding.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 29 2010 11:20 GMT
#779
On April 29 2010 20:18 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 20:03 SuperArc wrote:
On April 29 2010 20:01 Scaramanga wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:58 SuperArc wrote:
On April 29 2010 19:56 moopie wrote:
I really dislike this build from Hiya. its the exact same one he did on Violet...


You know how this build is called?

Flash build.

Your flash antifaning is going pretty terribly tonight i must say


This has nothing to do with anti-flash...

Flash went this EVERY TvP in 2009...






Etc...


Wow what a long list of names of great protoss players.

Why do you think Flash had a NEGATIVE record against dragons in 2009?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-29 11:21:31
April 29 2010 11:20 GMT
#780
On April 29 2010 20:04 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 19:52 darktreb wrote:
This is one of those myths that I wish I could make money off of. Is there a way I can make a permanent statement along the lines of "MVP's TvT is not good"?

Here's how MVP's 3 wins that suddenly make him "good" at TvT played out:

1. A map split against Baby where Baby definitely could have won or at least played for a draw had he not sent his entire army into MVP's main to get trapped

2. Vulture bust that was very poorly defended by Baby, ended the game right there

3. This game against Flash where he was outplayed until the BC switch, then proceeded to play really well

Notice something? He didn't win a single "standard" TvT, not even close. In fact, he was behind in the two map split games (though he did a very good job in evening out those situations).

Of course, winning is all that counts in SC but winning standard is what counts when it comes to predicting future performance. MVP hasn't won a single standard TvT in a long time (maybe his win over Bogus in MST was standard? Even then it's Bogus). Skyhigh just worked him last night the same way you can expect Flash to work him the next 3 games.


What's "standard"?

What's not "standard" in the game he played today? It's 100% standard TvT from beginning to end.

What's not "standard" in a vulture bust on maps that favorize vulture openings? This happens all the time.

What's not "standard" in the first game vs Baby, except the ending? Baby made a mistake, so what? Players make mistakes. Some are good at taking advantage of them, some are not.

Show nested quote +

Here's my prediction: Flash will win the next 3 against MVP and MVP will go sub-500 in TvT for his 10 games after the 3 losses. I'll gladly take a month-long ban if either of those things don't happen.


As far as I'm concerned, this statement just confirms you're more bitter about Flash losing than calmly stating your actual thoughts.

Just watch today's game again. And tell me that didn't look like S-class TvT play from both players.

(For the record, I don't really give a shit about MVP. I just like good Starcraft, and this was an awesome, extremely high level game which I thoroughly enjoyed.)


Seriously? I know this is a borderline troll but I'll bite anyway.

Standard TvT is how the majority of TvTs play out - Tank lines and Dropship play with the winner establishing superior positioning (and often more bases). MVP didn't win any of his games the way most TvTs are won - by doing a better job establishing territory. There's a reason why most TvTs play out that way....

I'm not bitter at all about Flash's loss. I think it's great for him to get wakeup calls like this - better in game 1 of a bo5 against a player you're better than than in a worse situation.

And the irony is I actually LIKE MVP. I think his recent TvPs have been extremely impressive (not the most sustainable style but he did what he had to do to beat some top P's). I still remember his win over Stork in GOM. Hell, I even made him the captain of my FPL team! It's because I've watched him closely that I feel like I understand his flaws better than the casual observer (which you yourself admitted you were for even this past game).

Anyway this was a great game between Hiya and Free.
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