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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-27 09:35:53
April 27 2010 09:35 GMT
#161
JD was always a risky player, trying to defend with the bare minimum if possible. That's nothing new and he has lost quite some hilarious games this way.

I really don't believe the mutas and lings in a better position would have made a difference, the amount of M&M out of 5rax is just silly and the second or third wave would have killed him.

He just needed to scout the 5rax, but he did not even check for them. When he sees those rax, sunken up+lots of lurkers and the game is won, with no tech on ForGG's part. Nothing more to it
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-27 09:35:38
April 27 2010 09:35 GMT
#162
JD gogo ace match!
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
April 27 2010 09:35 GMT
#163
On April 27 2010 18:34 khersai wrote:
forgg is 4-1 against jaedong now
2ez


ForGG's records against Bisu, Jaedong, and Flash are all pretty unbelievable.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2338 Posts
April 27 2010 09:35 GMT
#164
This is good for Oz at least. That means they still have Hiya, and hopefully Killer to ZvP. COME ONNNN ACE. JD vs Flash (and a close game lol)!
jiabung
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States720 Posts
April 27 2010 09:35 GMT
#165
On April 27 2010 18:33 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2010 18:32 StylishVODs wrote:
I'm with SuperArc on this. Jaedong didn't play poorly. The only thing I can think of is that he shouldn't move 2 hydras to the expansion and scout his barracks with his mutas...

I love when my opponent do 3hatch muta in closepos when I do Ebay +5rax. Its really hard to lose.


he made quite a lot of mistakes in judgement. he lost most of his lings/mutas on a fail surround.

his muta were also out of position when the timing attack came. mutas had to fly in from behind after forgg has already taken out a sunken, obviously not expecting him to actually move in.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 27 2010 09:35 GMT
#166
lmao flash with 2 hands off the keyboard for 6 seconds while drinking at the beginning of every game never gets old.

I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 27 2010 09:35 GMT
#167
On April 27 2010 18:33 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2010 18:32 SuperArc wrote:
On April 27 2010 18:32 Holgerius wrote:
There are plenty of things JD could've done better in that game.


Yeah, but it would have had the same result.

not really, dont you think that scouting main with mutas and preparing more sunks earlier would have helped?


It would have helped in delaying the inevitable, JD would have given up any eco advantage he had and give forgg map control.

Tell me how is a zerg with two gas suppose to beat a terran who has map control?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
frogmelter
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States971 Posts
April 27 2010 09:36 GMT
#168
I don't think Jaedong knew he had 5 rax
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 27 2010 09:36 GMT
#169
(T)Flash the dominant blue Terran at 11
(T)Lomo the yellow terran at 5.

They battle over Polaris Rhapsody!

Flash times his pocari sweat drink perfectly.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
khersai
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland366 Posts
April 27 2010 09:36 GMT
#170
I guess it wouldn't be a stretch to say Flash is the favourite
will the Legendary Protoss please stand up, please stand up
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
April 27 2010 09:36 GMT
#171
I'd say it would be an interesting game to analyze, whether Jaedong could have done way better than this. He obviously

a) mismicroed some of his mutas, failed the Mutaling flank on the smaller MM group.
b) spent most of his time attacking the ball instead of going for economy and whatnot.

however, had he gone for the SCVs, he would have had even more trouble holding off the push. To me it looks like quite a dilemma he was in.
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
April 27 2010 09:36 GMT
#172
On April 27 2010 18:34 Kwanroller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2010 18:34 okum wrote:
Did Jaedong know about fOrGG's mass barracks when he took his third?


I don't think he ever bothered to scout Forgg's main.

Which strikes me as strange.

Anyway, couldn't he have inferred something from the marine count at fOrGG's natural?
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 27 2010 09:37 GMT
#173
Yeah he failed that one because medics was blocking the lings, he should have pulled back. But overall I don't see this game as bad play from jaedong. fast +1 and 5 rax is pretty much a counter to jaedongs build. He could have spammed 8 sunkens and let forgg take out the expansion instead and play 2base vs 2base since forgg had late tech but still not a good position.
Forgg would have been so ealily destroyed had it been a lurkeropening. ForGG took a chance and it worked...
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 27 2010 09:37 GMT
#174
Flash building his depot/rax by his ramp to wall. He starts his gas.
Lomo builds his depot by his CC to push scvs and his rax a small bit forwards, he also starts his gas.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Kwanroller
Profile Joined April 2010
Afghanistan459 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-27 09:38:24
April 27 2010 09:37 GMT
#175
Flash's advertising of Pocari Sweat is obviously working. Fangirl caught with one can in her hand.

On April 27 2010 18:36 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2010 18:34 Kwanroller wrote:
On April 27 2010 18:34 okum wrote:
Did Jaedong know about fOrGG's mass barracks when he took his third?


I don't think he ever bothered to scout Forgg's main.

Which strikes me as strange.

Anyway, couldn't he have inferred something from the marine count at fOrGG's natural?


I think he was expecting a bust, thus the three sunkens and the attempt to get lurkers asap, but wasn't expecting 5 barracks of pain.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
April 27 2010 09:37 GMT
#176
On April 27 2010 18:35 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2010 18:33 Itachii wrote:
On April 27 2010 18:32 SuperArc wrote:
On April 27 2010 18:32 Holgerius wrote:
There are plenty of things JD could've done better in that game.


Yeah, but it would have had the same result.

not really, dont you think that scouting main with mutas and preparing more sunks earlier would have helped?


It would have helped in delaying the inevitable, JD would have given up any eco advantage he had and give forgg map control.

Tell me how is a zerg with two gas suppose to beat a terran who has map control?


A terran without tech. Masslurkers and ForGG is losing. Saying the loss was inevitable is silly imo.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
frogmelter
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States971 Posts
April 27 2010 09:37 GMT
#177
What exactly was Jaedong supposed to do at that point? Sunken up and lose eco advantage. Don't sunken and die.

Was he supposed to do something earlier and failed? Muta harrass better? I find it hard to believe that Jaedong could have taken out that mob of MnM no matter how well he microed.
TL+ Member
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
April 27 2010 09:37 GMT
#178
Building sunkens (lots) & lurkers for defense while harassing the scvs with muta.
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 27 2010 09:38 GMT
#179
Lomo with the scv scout, 1 scv on gas as he starts his factory

Flash not scouting at all, he still has 3 scvs on gas after starting his factory
starports coming up?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 27 2010 09:38 GMT
#180
flash with an early starport after 1 fac.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
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