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marcoso *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Brazil818 Posts
April 17 2010 07:22 GMT
#701
On April 17 2010 16:16 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2010 16:15 SuperArc wrote:
On April 17 2010 16:15 Blind wrote:
omg, I can't believe Baby won that battle. Thought the 6 valks would just obliterate those wraiths with bc's absorbing wraith damage. Did those valks really not shoot? I could've sworn I saw them shooting but my stream was lagging.


its called micro

nope, it's sprite limitation bug problem


Also, baby's upgrades were 3/3 and really's 2/1 I think...

Had really rebuilt his armories and waited for more valks and bcs, his chances would be better..
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
April 17 2010 07:23 GMT
#702
Valks bug out and either don't shoot or shoot very little (like 2 out of their 8 missiles) when there are too many units on the screen
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
April 17 2010 07:24 GMT
#703
On April 17 2010 16:23 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Valks bug out and either don't shoot or shoot very little (like 2 out of their 8 missiles) when there are too many units on the screen

I think the same happens to BC's. I played a 1v7 with comps and with cheats on and I noticed BC's not firing.
Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2528 Posts
April 17 2010 07:25 GMT
#704
On April 17 2010 16:20 Hier wrote:
So wait, someone please explain the valk bug to me.

As I understand it, it has something to do with the maximum number of sprites possible in sc? I think with valks, because they fire 6 separate missiles, that counts as 6 sprites. So when you go valks, you hit the sprite cap much quicker and that causes things to not fire. I think that's the gist of it.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-17 07:28:22
April 17 2010 07:26 GMT
#705
On April 17 2010 16:20 Hier wrote:
So wait, someone please explain the valk bug to me.


Google search it.

Valk's missile trails puts strain on the engine. Basically if there are too many units, valkyrie don't shoot due to the engine's limitation when it comes to generating sprites.

Baby had like 60 wraith shooting missiles (60x2) against 8 battle cruisers. That's a greater than 200/200 army fighting in limited pixels. Really had about 6-8 valkyrie. Each of them fire 6 missiles each. If the engine can't handle it, Valkyrie don't fire.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8032 Posts
April 17 2010 07:26 GMT
#706
On April 17 2010 16:24 lolaloc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2010 16:23 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Valks bug out and either don't shoot or shoot very little (like 2 out of their 8 missiles) when there are too many units on the screen

I think the same happens to BC's. I played a 1v7 with comps and with cheats on and I noticed BC's not firing.

It's not a problem with individual units. It's a problem with every unit that fires a projectile (ie. not hit-scan). If the maximum sprite limit is reached, any unit that fires a projectile will be unable to do so. The problem is exaggerated with valks because they shoot multiple missiles (and hence use multiple sprites).
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AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
April 17 2010 07:26 GMT
#707
yeah upgrades are really important especially with valks. baby had 3/3 and really was like 2/1 or 1/2 or something. No chance.
always tired -_-
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
April 17 2010 07:30 GMT
#708
What was really thinking !?

"Hurr Durr, Boxer lost to OOV, cuz he had no valks, hurr durr"
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
April 17 2010 07:31 GMT
#709
i thought nada retired? cool to see him playing tho
zmeqt
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria527 Posts
April 17 2010 07:36 GMT
#710
OMG both proleague series today were AWESOME !!!
the slogans
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 17 2010 07:49 GMT
#711
Hyvaa losing to nada is embaressing as hell.

Really needs to learn how to beat top tier competition .
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 17 2010 08:25 GMT
#712
On April 17 2010 16:17 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2010 16:16 konadora wrote:
On April 17 2010 16:15 SuperArc wrote:
On April 17 2010 16:15 Blind wrote:
omg, I can't believe Baby won that battle. Thought the 6 valks would just obliterate those wraiths with bc's absorbing wraith damage. Did those valks really not shoot? I could've sworn I saw them shooting but my stream was lagging.


its called micro

nope, it's sprite limitation bug problem


Really? then estro can force a re-game?

That would be like forcing a re-game because of hold lurkers.
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
April 17 2010 08:45 GMT
#713
Fuck yeah lee yoonyeol!
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
April 17 2010 10:33 GMT
#714
Holy shit this was a good night
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
April 17 2010 12:33 GMT
#715
fuck yeah Nada
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
April 17 2010 12:42 GMT
#716
And eStro hasn't giving me any points for FPL yet. Starcraft Gods doesn't like Really lately.
Stork protoss legend
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
April 17 2010 13:11 GMT
#717
I don't care what happened today in other games, but Nada, fuck yeah!

Anybody know how much PL win he has? I remember he was really close to 100 (at that time only Reach has it), but I don't know if he really got there.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
April 17 2010 13:40 GMT
#718
On April 17 2010 22:11 adelarge wrote:
I don't care what happened today in other games, but Nada, fuck yeah!

Anybody know how much PL win he has? I remember he was really close to 100 (at that time only Reach has it), but I don't know if he really got there.


He's on 98 now
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 17 2010 14:01 GMT
#719
No interview translation yet?
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
April 17 2010 14:05 GMT
#720
On April 17 2010 22:40 Ikonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2010 22:11 adelarge wrote:
I don't care what happened today in other games, but Nada, fuck yeah!

Anybody know how much PL win he has? I remember he was really close to 100 (at that time only Reach has it), but I don't know if he really got there.


He's on 98 now

Go go Nada two more! <3
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
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