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snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-15 11:18:57
April 15 2010 11:16 GMT
#481
STXXXXX

Once the lurkers were out fantasy was on the back foot the entire game, and Calm just expoed away.

And now, time to see if Shuttle really has improved his PvT.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 15 2010 11:16 GMT
#482
That was really bad from Fantasy, specially after taking out calms third pretty quick.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9431 Posts
April 15 2010 11:17 GMT
#483
0/2 LB till now
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
April 15 2010 11:17 GMT
#484
Don't know why anyone would consider Fantasy a favorite in a TvZ anymore. I used to think people saying he was "bad" at the matchup were exaggerating, but lately it seems like he has regressed even further. It's painful to watch.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
April 15 2010 11:17 GMT
#485
Too much marine wasting, but much better than yesterday.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 15 2010 11:18 GMT
#486
On April 15 2010 20:16 StylishVODs wrote:
That was really bad from Fantasy, specially after taking out calms third pretty quick.

I think Calm was still marginally ahead after losing that 3rd gas, he had early hive, plenty of hatcheries, and a big enough eco to afford such a loss. He also barely lost any drones at that expo.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
April 15 2010 11:18 GMT
#487
On April 15 2010 20:16 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 20:14 Chen wrote:
On April 15 2010 20:13 Zona wrote:
If Calm wasn't throwing his units away the way he is, he could've ended this a lot earlier...

he still has 12 cows lol. and he just overran Fantasy's nat, killing 2 more tanks in process

I never said he was losing...
just that the way he threw his units at fantasy's positions were a real waste.

Yes, but if you look at how many hatches Calm had you realize had could do it many times and still win, Calm was way ahead when he smacked Fantasys nat with lings/lurkers. He just needed to macro.
Stork protoss legend
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
April 15 2010 11:19 GMT
#488
On April 15 2010 20:10 Zona wrote:
Fantasy's losing to a <50% ZvT'er
sigh...


Nop, Fantasy is losing to a 35.71% ZvT (in 2010).

+ Show Spoiler +

Before yesterday's match Calm's ZvT in 2010 was 30.77%, so Fantasy lost to that abysmal score two days in a row.


Ah! Forgot what I just posted, Calm faced Flash SIX times in 2010 and we all know what that means

PS: Was that Rainbow? Before the boy bands?
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-15 11:21:02
April 15 2010 11:20 GMT
#489
On April 15 2010 20:17 hitthat wrote:
Too much marine wasting, but much better than yesterday.


and not enough medics.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 15 2010 11:20 GMT
#490
On April 15 2010 20:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 20:16 StylishVODs wrote:
That was really bad from Fantasy, specially after taking out calms third pretty quick.

I think Calm was still marginally ahead after losing that 3rd gas, he had early hive, plenty of hatcheries, and a big enough eco to afford such a loss. He also barely lost any drones at that expo.


I also think he came out ahead, even after losing that base. Fantasy's overly defensive stance allowed calm to expo to 4 base (3 gas) with an army of no more than a handful of lings. his econ was great. The first attack on the nat (with all the lurkers) was also worth the tradeoff, since it wiped out fantasy's forces and forced him to turtle again. Very greedy build, but it was entertaining.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 15 2010 11:20 GMT
#491
Fantasy never took out Calm's third. He took out Calm's 4th...

And since Calm was basically pumping pure drone all that time, his economy was wicked strong compared to normal games at that timing.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
April 15 2010 11:20 GMT
#492
On April 15 2010 20:19 Caos2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 20:10 Zona wrote:
Fantasy's losing to a <50% ZvT'er
sigh...


Nop, Fantasy is losing to a 35.71% ZvT (in 2010).

+ Show Spoiler +

Before yesterday's match Calm's ZvT in 2010 was 30.77%, so Fantasy lost to that abysmal score two days in a row.


Ah! Forgot what I just posted, Calm faced Flash SIX times in 2010 and we all know what that means

PS: Was that Rainbow? Before the boy bands?


The thing is (T)fantasy is not a much better TvZer
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
April 15 2010 11:21 GMT
#493
Fantasy standard TvZ is bad.
Fantasy creative TvZ is good.
Stork protoss legend
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
April 15 2010 11:21 GMT
#494
On April 15 2010 20:20 Jakalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 20:19 Caos2 wrote:
On April 15 2010 20:10 Zona wrote:
Fantasy's losing to a <50% ZvT'er
sigh...


Nop, Fantasy is losing to a 35.71% ZvT (in 2010).

+ Show Spoiler +

Before yesterday's match Calm's ZvT in 2010 was 30.77%, so Fantasy lost to that abysmal score two days in a row.


Ah! Forgot what I just posted, Calm faced Flash SIX times in 2010 and we all know what that means

PS: Was that Rainbow? Before the boy bands?


The thing is (T)fantasy is not a much better TvZer


Calm's ZvT>>>>Fantasy's TvZ.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
April 15 2010 11:24 GMT
#495
On April 15 2010 20:21 InDaHouse wrote:
Fantasy standard TvZ is cringe-worthy
Fantasy creative TvZ is occasionally good.



FYP =[
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 15 2010 11:24 GMT
#496
On April 15 2010 20:21 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 20:20 Jakalo wrote:
On April 15 2010 20:19 Caos2 wrote:
On April 15 2010 20:10 Zona wrote:
Fantasy's losing to a <50% ZvT'er
sigh...


Nop, Fantasy is losing to a 35.71% ZvT (in 2010).

+ Show Spoiler +

Before yesterday's match Calm's ZvT in 2010 was 30.77%, so Fantasy lost to that abysmal score two days in a row.


Ah! Forgot what I just posted, Calm faced Flash SIX times in 2010 and we all know what that means

PS: Was that Rainbow? Before the boy bands?


The thing is (T)fantasy is not a much better TvZer


Calm's ZvT>>>>Fantasy's TvZ.

That seems to be the conclusion borne out by this week's results.


Fantasy's creative TvZ...probably overrated. One thing I really think was a tremendously bad idea was confirming in an interview that he was going to try his funky valkyrie/whatever build against Calm in the OSL. Gave Calm the heads up to plan something that would counter it.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Smix *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States4549 Posts
April 15 2010 11:24 GMT
#497
shuttle - vs ALL 8-7 53.3% ; vs T 2-5 28.6%; kespa ranking 45; last 10 games 8-2
TranslatorBe an Optimist Prime, Not a Negatron // twitter @smixity
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2763 Posts
April 15 2010 11:25 GMT
#498
On April 15 2010 20:15 anch wrote:
fantasy, just like his alias, a fantasy chance of winning.


thirsday friday saturday mazeltov! latin girl mexican girl!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 15 2010 11:25 GMT
#499
Yeah Shuttle! His recent results are preeeeetty good! He's like the only reason my FPL is positive, too.

Hiya's TvP should be...interesting...to watch.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Smix *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States4549 Posts
April 15 2010 11:25 GMT
#500
hiya - vs. ALL 9-13 40.9%; v p 3-2 60.0% last 10 games : 5-5
TranslatorBe an Optimist Prime, Not a Negatron // twitter @smixity
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