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Mystlord
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On April 07 2010 19:13 snowdrift86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:08 Mystlord wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 snowdrift86 wrote:
THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY AGAINST MECH ZERGS Yes, this is how you play against Mech on an un-Mechable map. The decision to go Mech confuses and annoys me :/ Flash doesn't like Match Point, and lately he's been experimenting with mech and midgame mech transitions. The next step in that thought process led to this game. Regardless of how bad the map is for mech, hyvaa played well.
The time for experimentation is in your preparation not during the actual match 
Then again, when you get a whole control group or more of Goliaths stuck and taken down........
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On April 07 2010 19:14 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:10 cabarkapa wrote:On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:06 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 fallingdream wrote:
way to shot yourself in the foot flash, gj, now you deserve to lose the next match and get eliminated. Go fuck yourself, how can you call yourself a KT fan go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg It is when your name is Flash. seriously Flash ALWAYS seems to straight-up fail when he tries either A) mech or B) imitating/perfecting Fantasy his bio game is impeccable, if it aint broke dont fix it.
You sound like all the misinformed people who kept saying Flash 14 CCs "all the time" when he hadn't done it once for like 8 months.
"if it aint broke dont fix it" might apply to an elimination game, but this wasn't one.
And it's not like Flash's TvZ M&M on Match Point wasn't "broke" ... it was easily his worst matchup/map combination and continues to be.
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Boes is really good with predictions 
Hyvaa played really well. Kudos to him.
Hwasin vs. Baby, don't know whom to support. Like both players. Both in really fine form.
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On April 07 2010 19:14 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:13 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:10 cabarkapa wrote:On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:06 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 fallingdream wrote:
way to shot yourself in the foot flash, gj, now you deserve to lose the next match and get eliminated. Go fuck yourself, how can you call yourself a KT fan go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg I know it's not. I just cannot begin to understand why would someone play different when he is good as something, and imo, the best m&m micro at the moment. Flash has the strongest late game and yet he does this mech shit... why? why would you do that? WHY? To mix up your game. To know how important it is, read up Bisu.
I can understand that, in fact a change is always welcomed. Flash changed his style so much it made everyone dizzy. Going from cheese to turtle to early aggression to standard and then mixing them, always a good thing to do no doubt, but on a map you don't like, you lost to a weaker player in the past, on a map you don't feel comfortable, why would you chose to do this? I just cannot understand why would anyone chose to NOT learn from past mistakes and do something else. I
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On April 07 2010 19:15 NurseArial wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:13 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:10 cabarkapa wrote:On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:06 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 fallingdream wrote:
way to shot yourself in the foot flash, gj, now you deserve to lose the next match and get eliminated. Go fuck yourself, how can you call yourself a KT fan go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg I know it's not. I just cannot begin to understand why would someone play different when he is good as something, and imo, the best m&m micro at the moment. Flash has the strongest late game and yet he does this mech shit... why? why would you do that? WHY? Have you seen the last like 3 TvZ's he played going mech? He utterly demolished his opponents, opponents I might add who are much better than hyvaa is at TvZ.
No they're not. Hyvaa is, strangely enough, extremely good against mech when he gets his shit together. Hyvaa is a pretty smart zerg but just has awful physicals compared to other players so often he just can't keep up.
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On April 07 2010 19:18 POWEROUTAGE wrote:Boes is really good with predictions Hyvaa played really well. Kudos to him. Hwasin vs. Baby, don't know whom to support. Like both players. Both in really fine form.
SUPPORT BABY!!!
Right now I'm rewatching his game where he went mech versus HyuN on Match Point
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On April 07 2010 19:18 POWEROUTAGE wrote:Boes is really good with predictions Hwasin vs. Baby, don't know whom to support. Like both players. Both in really fine form.
yeah at least he predicts forgg is gonna win. thats good enough. lol
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Hwasin wearing glasses...
I'm not gay.
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On April 07 2010 19:17 FireGuyX wrote:
Flash can easily get eliminated from the OSL, now he has to play against Kal.
Yea, that's hard. But he's Flash - he does not choke under pressure. Oh man ... I hope Kal demolishes kwanro and then loses to flash so that flash and kal can advance.
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On April 07 2010 19:17 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:13 snowdrift86 wrote:On April 07 2010 19:08 Mystlord wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 snowdrift86 wrote:
THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY AGAINST MECH ZERGS Yes, this is how you play against Mech on an un-Mechable map. The decision to go Mech confuses and annoys me :/ Flash doesn't like Match Point, and lately he's been experimenting with mech and midgame mech transitions. The next step in that thought process led to this game. Regardless of how bad the map is for mech, hyvaa played well. The time for experimentation is in your preparation not during the actual match
Showing the strat is a big part of it. This was probably the least important game Flash has coming up that'll be televised - he's not going to risk a PL loss because everyone cares about PL too much. This was his best opportunity to take a chance.
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On April 07 2010 19:17 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:13 snowdrift86 wrote:On April 07 2010 19:08 Mystlord wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 snowdrift86 wrote:
THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY AGAINST MECH ZERGS Yes, this is how you play against Mech on an un-Mechable map. The decision to go Mech confuses and annoys me :/ Flash doesn't like Match Point, and lately he's been experimenting with mech and midgame mech transitions. The next step in that thought process led to this game. Regardless of how bad the map is for mech, hyvaa played well. The time for experimentation is in your preparation not during the actual match Then again, when you get a whole control group or more of Goliaths stuck and taken down........
Goliath heavy mech isn't exactly an experimental build. It's hard to say whether or not Flash made a serious strategical error, which I doubt he may even be capable of, or rather it was the tactical misfortune of the Goliaths of 6 which made it impossible for him to secure the 4th base and thus the game.
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On April 07 2010 19:18 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:14 Chen wrote:On April 07 2010 19:10 cabarkapa wrote:On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:06 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 fallingdream wrote:
way to shot yourself in the foot flash, gj, now you deserve to lose the next match and get eliminated. Go fuck yourself, how can you call yourself a KT fan go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg It is when your name is Flash. seriously Flash ALWAYS seems to straight-up fail when he tries either A) mech or B) imitating/perfecting Fantasy his bio game is impeccable, if it aint broke dont fix it. You sound like all the misinformed people who kept saying Flash 14 CCs "all the time" when he hadn't done it once for like 8 months. "if it aint broke dont fix it" might apply to an elimination game, but this wasn't one. And it's not like Flash's TvZ M&M on Match Point wasn't "broke" ... it was easily his worst matchup/map combination and continues to be.
the memories of Flash tinkering with valkyries in an OSL and getting raped do not go away easily.
besides, in OSL group stage with game vs Kal coming up, its also not a game he can afford to throw away
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On April 07 2010 19:18 fallingdream wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:14 cascades wrote:On April 07 2010 19:13 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:10 cabarkapa wrote:On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:06 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 fallingdream wrote:
way to shot yourself in the foot flash, gj, now you deserve to lose the next match and get eliminated. Go fuck yourself, how can you call yourself a KT fan go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg I know it's not. I just cannot begin to understand why would someone play different when he is good as something, and imo, the best m&m micro at the moment. Flash has the strongest late game and yet he does this mech shit... why? why would you do that? WHY? To mix up your game. To know how important it is, read up Bisu. I can understand that, in fact a change is always welcomed. Flash changed his style so much it made everyone dizzy. Going from cheese to turtle to early aggression to standard and then mixing them, always a good thing to do no doubt, but on a map you don't like, you lost to a weaker player in the past, on a map you don't feel comfortable, why would you chose to do this? I just cannot understand why would anyone chose to NOT learn from past mistakes and do something else. I
hmm... maybe because his bio play on this map is what made him uncomfortable? I dont know man.
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On April 07 2010 19:18 Kwanroller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:15 NurseArial wrote:On April 07 2010 19:13 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:10 cabarkapa wrote:On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:06 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 fallingdream wrote:
way to shot yourself in the foot flash, gj, now you deserve to lose the next match and get eliminated. Go fuck yourself, how can you call yourself a KT fan go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg I know it's not. I just cannot begin to understand why would someone play different when he is good as something, and imo, the best m&m micro at the moment. Flash has the strongest late game and yet he does this mech shit... why? why would you do that? WHY? Have you seen the last like 3 TvZ's he played going mech? He utterly demolished his opponents, opponents I might add who are much better than hyvaa is at TvZ. No they're not. Hyvaa is, strangely enough, extremely good against mech when he gets his shit together. Hyvaa is a pretty smart zerg but just has awful physicals compared to other players so often he just can't keep up.
Kwanro and HyuN are both better zergs overall than hyvaa and are both decidedly better at ZvT than hyvaa.
He played very well against mech, I'm not trashing hyvaa's performance. I'm merely countering the point that Flash "only has been winning with bio" recently because it simply isn't true.
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Fly to the finals Hwasin. You know you can do it.
On April 07 2010 19:20 NurseArial wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:18 Kwanroller wrote:On April 07 2010 19:15 NurseArial wrote:On April 07 2010 19:13 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:10 cabarkapa wrote:On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:06 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 fallingdream wrote:
way to shot yourself in the foot flash, gj, now you deserve to lose the next match and get eliminated. Go fuck yourself, how can you call yourself a KT fan go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg I know it's not. I just cannot begin to understand why would someone play different when he is good as something, and imo, the best m&m micro at the moment. Flash has the strongest late game and yet he does this mech shit... why? why would you do that? WHY? Have you seen the last like 3 TvZ's he played going mech? He utterly demolished his opponents, opponents I might add who are much better than hyvaa is at TvZ. No they're not. Hyvaa is, strangely enough, extremely good against mech when he gets his shit together. Hyvaa is a pretty smart zerg but just has awful physicals compared to other players so often he just can't keep up. Kwanro and HyuN are both better zergs overall than hyvaa and are both decidedly better at ZvT than hyvaa. He played very well against mech, I'm not trashing hyvaa's performance. I'm merely countering the point that Flash "only has been winning with bio" recently because it simply isn't true.
Yes he's been winning those games but they show how weak Flash is at mech. He nearly lost to Kwanro and his game against Hyun wasn't clean at all.
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On April 07 2010 19:18 fallingdream wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:14 cascades wrote:On April 07 2010 19:13 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:10 cabarkapa wrote:On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:06 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 fallingdream wrote:
way to shot yourself in the foot flash, gj, now you deserve to lose the next match and get eliminated. Go fuck yourself, how can you call yourself a KT fan go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg I know it's not. I just cannot begin to understand why would someone play different when he is good as something, and imo, the best m&m micro at the moment. Flash has the strongest late game and yet he does this mech shit... why? why would you do that? WHY? To mix up your game. To know how important it is, read up Bisu. I can understand that, in fact a change is always welcomed. Flash changed his style so much it made everyone dizzy. Going from cheese to turtle to early aggression to standard and then mixing them, always a good thing to do no doubt, but on a map you don't like, you lost to a weaker player in the past, on a map you don't feel comfortable, why would you chose to do this? I just cannot understand why would anyone chose to NOT learn from past mistakes and do something else. I
He lost 50% of his TvZ's on Match Point where he went bio. One could argue that he learnt from those mistakes and chose to try something else.
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On April 07 2010 19:18 fallingdream wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2010 19:14 cascades wrote:On April 07 2010 19:13 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:10 cabarkapa wrote:On April 07 2010 19:09 fallingdream wrote:On April 07 2010 19:06 Scaramanga wrote:On April 07 2010 19:05 fallingdream wrote:
way to shot yourself in the foot flash, gj, now you deserve to lose the next match and get eliminated. Go fuck yourself, how can you call yourself a KT fan go fuck yourself right back asshole. you don't know shit about how much of a fan I am. and yes I am a KT fan and Flash fan second so gg own yourself more. for the shit flash tried to pull today he deserves to be fucking eliminated. going mech really isn't too crazy against zerg I know it's not. I just cannot begin to understand why would someone play different when he is good as something, and imo, the best m&m micro at the moment. Flash has the strongest late game and yet he does this mech shit... why? why would you do that? WHY? To mix up your game. To know how important it is, read up Bisu. but on a map you don't like, you lost to a weaker player in the past, on a map you don't feel comfortable, why would you chose to do this?
You answered your own question.
Why would you choose to keep doing something that hasn't worked and you clearly don't feel comfortable with is a better question.
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