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2010 Shinhan Bank WINNERS LEAGUE Week 6
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/5.jpg) vs ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/11.jpg) STX SouL vs Hwaseung OZMarch 7, 2010 -- 13:00 KST / 5:00 CET / 23:00 EST on OGN
LINEUP![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/84.jpg) < > ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/205.jpg)  Kal < Neo Moon Glaive >  HiyA < > < Match Point > < > < Fighting Spirit > < > < Judgment Day > < > < New Tornado > < > < Roadrunner > < > < Neo Moon Glaive >
Predictions. + Show Spoiler +Kal < Neo Moon Glaive > HiyA hero < Match Point > HiyAhero < Fighting Spirit > KillerHwasin < Judgment Day > KillerHwasin < New Tornado > PerfectManHwasin < Roadrunner > JaedongCalm < Neo Moon Glaive > JaedongIf Kal beats Hiya, hero's cameo is gone but the remainder of the series plays out the same. Killer comes out and beats Kal with his Jaedong-trained vP, but is then rolled by Hwasin's vZ, the Red Sniper's saving grace nowadays. OZ cannot play another non-JD Zerg vs Hwasin, so they have to send out PerfectMan, who gets roflrolled anyway. The Tyrant's time arrives, and he crushes Hwasin to make up for his surprising defeat at the hands of DarkElf in the match vs ACE. The Ace game is a ZvZ that transcends the limitations of the matchup thanks to the high caliber of both players. Top ZvZer Calm seals the deal for STX. If Hiya beats Kal and whoever is sent out afterwards, STX is probably fucked, unless Calm is on top of his game (i.e. not Clamming it up). If Kal beats Hiya and the following Zerg, OZ is trashed. Results. + Show Spoiler +Recommended Games. + Show Spoiler +Game 3. + Show Spoiler +
Nice game from both players, with the winner making a comeback thanks to some strong harassment.
Where to watch:
http://c.zeroboy.net/konadora/
http://ogn.ferron.pe/
Thank you konadora!
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I smell an all-Kal.
Either that or a reverse all-kill by Jaedong. :/
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If Hiya beats Kal Oz should win
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STX will send modesty probably
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kal/shuttle/calm/modesty(not necessarily in that order though) seems like a good lineup vs Oz
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On March 07 2010 08:24 Ideas wrote:
kal/shuttle/calm/modesty(not necessarily in that order though) seems like a good lineup vs Oz
hwasin and modesty are both Z snipers, i expect both of them to come out. then its either shuttle or calm, most likely calm.
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holy crap stx fightingggggggg
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I want to have a Jaedong all kill. Either that or Kal all kill.
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On March 07 2010 08:24 Ideas wrote:
kal/shuttle/calm/modesty(not necessarily in that order though) seems like a good lineup vs Oz
Even Killer could all-kill that if he has a good day.
No, against Oz you absolutely need a terran.
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No point of sending an inconsistent player like Hero. STX will most likely be using their core players, that is Kal, Hwasin, Shuttle and Clam.
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On March 07 2010 08:38 peidongyang wrote:
No point of sending an inconsistent player like Hero. STX will most likely be using their core players, that is Kal, Hwasin, Shuttle and Clam.
Hero has had bad results recently, but Hiya is mediocre vZ. And if he beats Kal, he would have momentum against another Protoss (Shuttle). Modesty is bad at vT, and I don't see STX risking Hwasin, who is also needed to snipe Zergs, vs Hiya, who has a solid TvT. And sending out Calm so early is out of the question, when he's needed vs the Dong and could get sniped by Oz Zergs before the final showdown.
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On March 07 2010 08:41 snowdrift86 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 08:38 peidongyang wrote:
No point of sending an inconsistent player like Hero. STX will most likely be using their core players, that is Kal, Hwasin, Shuttle and Clam. Hero has had bad results recently, but Hiya is mediocre vZ. And if he beats Kal, he would have momentum against another Protoss (Shuttle). Modesty is bad at vT, and I don't see STX risking Hwasin, who is also needed to snipe Zergs, vs Hiya, who has a solid TvT. And sending out Calm so early is out of the question, when he's needed vs the Dong and could get sniped by Oz Zergs before the final showdown.
you have map pics messed up btw
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On March 07 2010 08:44 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 08:41 snowdrift86 wrote:On March 07 2010 08:38 peidongyang wrote:
No point of sending an inconsistent player like Hero. STX will most likely be using their core players, that is Kal, Hwasin, Shuttle and Clam. Hero has had bad results recently, but Hiya is mediocre vZ. And if he beats Kal, he would have momentum against another Protoss (Shuttle). Modesty is bad at vT, and I don't see STX risking Hwasin, who is also needed to snipe Zergs, vs Hiya, who has a solid TvT. And sending out Calm so early is out of the question, when he's needed vs the Dong and could get sniped by Oz Zergs before the final showdown. you have map pics messed up btw
Just noticed! Thanks.
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This match could prove to be quite delicious... Clam can do the jerb.
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yey, Thanks for streaming Konadora! \o/
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I want to Jaedong sweat up a storm again
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shaping up to be a great series, please no shitty result like modesty all-kill or something
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Sending Hiya first is really smart imo. It's much like mbc sending light first. Send your second best player out to get a few wins (hopefully) and wear down their numbers/overplay their stars so that you can send out the super player (jaedong) to clean up.
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On March 07 2010 08:29 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 08:24 Ideas wrote:
kal/shuttle/calm/modesty(not necessarily in that order though) seems like a good lineup vs Oz hwasin and modesty are both Z snipers, i expect both of them to come out. then its either shuttle or calm, most likely calm.
Could people stop saying Modesty is a Z sniper? Just because you don't blow in one MU doesn't not make you a sniper with 56%.
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On March 07 2010 11:00 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 08:29 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:On March 07 2010 08:24 Ideas wrote:
kal/shuttle/calm/modesty(not necessarily in that order though) seems like a good lineup vs Oz hwasin and modesty are both Z snipers, i expect both of them to come out. then its either shuttle or calm, most likely calm. Could people stop saying Modesty is a Z sniper? Just because you don't blow in one MU doesn't not make you a sniper with 56%.
modesty is considered better at ZvZ than calm, and he did put up a decent fight against JD at his prime...
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Request: For the streamer to play the AWESOME fight/charge/battle music that played during the final SKT v ACE match last night! If every starcraft game had clips like that during exciting moments I'd never miss a game.
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On March 07 2010 11:11 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 11:00 Avidkeystamper wrote:On March 07 2010 08:29 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:On March 07 2010 08:24 Ideas wrote:
kal/shuttle/calm/modesty(not necessarily in that order though) seems like a good lineup vs Oz hwasin and modesty are both Z snipers, i expect both of them to come out. then its either shuttle or calm, most likely calm. Could people stop saying Modesty is a Z sniper? Just because you don't blow in one MU doesn't not make you a sniper with 56%. modesty is considered better at ZvZ than calm,
but calm ended the concept of JvZ and is almost 70% ZvZ in the past year.
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Magikarp all kill, gogogogogogogo
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On March 07 2010 11:58 ndralcasid wrote:
Magikarp all kill, gogogogogogogo
Magikarp used Splash!
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STX is going to take this
Kal can take Oz until JD shows up. then Hwasin or Calm will snipe and finish off Oz.
4-1 or 4-2 STX
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OMFG GO OZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!! <3 JAEDONG, KILLER, HIYA!
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On March 07 2010 08:24 Ideas wrote:
kal/shuttle/calm/modesty(not necessarily in that order though) seems like a good lineup vs Oz
Not to sure why you would even think about sending modesty over hwasin.
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Hiya is on a cold streak in his usual favorite TvP, and has bad results against Shuttle, so I'm not expecting him to go too far today. But maybe he'll prove me wrong.
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On March 07 2010 12:42 lone_hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 08:24 Ideas wrote:
kal/shuttle/calm/modesty(not necessarily in that order though) seems like a good lineup vs Oz Not to sure why you would even think about sending modesty over hwasin.
well lets say its vs JD.
do you send Hwasin who cant win vs any A-class Zerg vs JD who is fucking JAEDONG
or do you send your best ZvZer vs a guy who is only 50% in ZvZ this year?
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I'm not gonna put my faith in JD and OZ as they usually end up losing, so go STX kick some ass.
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Is it just me or is Konadora's stream not STX vs. Oz?
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oz looking so depressed on the bench.
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damnit, is kona playing right now instead of streaming? lol
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kona is in an intense TvZ right now. Hope it ends soon so he can start streaming.
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What map is Kona playing on?
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On March 07 2010 13:04 snowdrift86 wrote:
kona is in an intense TvZ right now. Hope it ends soon so he can start streaming.
lol ya i know im watching it
WHAT MAP IS HE ON?! ITS DRIVING ME INSANE
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[hwasin vs uber-zerg]
Interesting point - I always thought of Hwasin as a TvZ expert, but lately he hasn't done so well against the best Z's, except for Shine.
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On March 07 2010 13:05 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 13:04 snowdrift86 wrote:
kona is in an intense TvZ right now. Hope it ends soon so he can start streaming. lol ya i know im watching it WHAT MAP IS HE ON?! ITS DRIVING ME INSANE
I think that's his new map Espada.
LoL wow that zerg has some nice moves, both armies die
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meanwhile hiya has expanded off 1 rax (i think)
yep, 1 rax cc
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I'd only expect hwasin to come out vs JD with a really big cheese planned, because honestly thats the only way he can beat him.
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Hiya going 1 rax CC, with a bunker for safety. Kal went gate core, warping in a robo.
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1rax FE from HiyA? Robo bay opening from Kal.
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damn, Ferron always loads so crappily for me 
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It never lags for me. :/ strange.
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BO win? is there anything hiya can have up in time?
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On March 07 2010 13:09 jalstar wrote:
BO win? is there anything hiya can have up in time?
If he doesn't do more damage with reavers, he is gonna be behind.
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Damn, Reaver shot gettting 3 SCVs, but Siege mode is done in time so he barely holds the push off.
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From what I can see, Hiya's doing fine, but this is based off the screenshots I get...
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Kal's reaver destroys the bunker, but Hiya holds with a tank as siege is researched just in time. 4-5 SCV kills overall.
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Five Factories going up for HiyA, expect lots of Vultures in the near future!!
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Kona's game is ending. YES!
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HiyA is up at 5 facts with 1(or 2?) addon, while Kal is at 1(or 2?) gateways, both on 2 bases. Reaver didn't do a lot
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Hiya is probably going 1 rax cc into timing push. Same thing he did vs Jangbi.
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HiyA's just rolling through OH GOD THE REAVERS DESTROYS ALL OF HIYAS TANKS!! That was painful....
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omg MASSIVE SCARAB kills 3 tanks
hiyas push is destroyed!
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Kal is so smug right now.
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Kona has won his epic TvZ, his stream is up for those who lag with ogn.ferron.pe.
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FUCK YEAH RAPE RAPE RAPE HIM
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zomg sorry for the late start lol, didn't see time passing
HOLY FUCK REAVERS
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Reaver's are owning Hiya right now jesus....
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Hiya's way behind, he's done this build too many time during proleague already. Kal was waiting for it.
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wtf 44 kills total lol
2 DEPOTS GO DOWN TOGETHER LOL
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Hiya's face: Say whaaaat?
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Those reavers were awesome
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hiya is getting totally wrecked
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Hiya...
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Kona's stream lagging too :'(
Comcastic my ass
EDIT: NVM then lol
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sry for the lag, source is lagging for me today
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Reaver's are all dying but the damage has been done...
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Holy shit I just noticed that reaver has 28 kills.
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lol, shot of JD
"you have to all kill now y'know"
"T_T"
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STX coach is wearing an unusually light, beige colored suit. Prolly got laid recently and is feeling good.
And Hiya's third fell to a mass dragoon/zealot bomb push.
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On March 07 2010 13:20 snowdrift86 wrote:
STX coach is wearing an unusually light, beige colored suit. Prolly got laid recently and is feeling good.
lol
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kal has the map + constant pressure
kal owning
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Hiya still not leaving. Its pretty much over dude...
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hey...
hiya's mouth is closed
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oh man i fucking love watching Kal play!
what was it this game, 3 shuttles and 5 reavers? or was it 4 shuttles?
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On March 07 2010 13:23 konadora wrote:
hey...
hiya's mouth is closed
the world is ending...
+ Show Spoiler +
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is anyone else having problems connecting to livestream or just me? i think my IP has been banned from livestream T.T
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Kal still smug as fuck. Hiya still not leaving.
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LOL KAL WITH HUMILIATION PROBE LINE
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KAAAAL
Sweet, sweet reaver control. Hiya got rolled.
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Lol, Kal sends like all his probes to attack. XD
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Please tell me someone took a screenshot of those probes lol
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that was a horrific rape.
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congrats Kal to your 100th proleague win
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On March 07 2010 13:24 Chen wrote:
LOL KAL WITH BM PROBE LINE
do you know what bm is
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On March 07 2010 13:24 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Please tell me someone took a screenshot of those probes lol
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LOL hiya staring off into space
probably thinking "what the fuck just happened"
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Man Hiya looks as if someone just sucked his soul out.
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Dayyyummm. RIP Hiya TvP -.-
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On March 07 2010 13:25 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 13:24 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Please tell me someone took a screenshot of those probes lol
rofl i need to make this my new desktop
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Killer. time to get rolled by kal like a good little boy.
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i'm glad that killer being sent out no longer causes me to shit my pants in rage. actually like his chances here
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On March 07 2010 13:25 konadora wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2010 13:24 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Please tell me someone took a screenshot of those probes lol
Side note: How long has Hiya's nick been Koosh? -__-
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On March 07 2010 13:25 Redshirt wrote:
Man Hiya looks as if someone just sucked his soul out.
Gotta feel for the guy -- he lost to Shuttle yesterday, and he just got destroyed by Kal. His precious TvP is looking pretty weak these days.
Killer out for OZ.
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wait hiya's new ID is koosh? (his name 구성훈)
so dumb.
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Kal either setting up jaedong for the reverse all kill OR setting himself up for an all kill.
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On March 07 2010 13:26 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 13:25 konadora wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2010 13:24 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Please tell me someone took a screenshot of those probes lol Side note: How long has Hiya's nick been Koosh? -__-
no idea LOL
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NSFW that desktop, there are minors present!
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lolk, Kal's nick he's been using is even more hilarious.
"Goojila"
rofl rofl ewrofl rofl
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On March 07 2010 13:29 koreasilver wrote:
lolk, Kal's nick he's been using is even more hilarious.
"Goojila"
rofl rofl ewrofl rofl
Makes me think of Godzilla. or Gorilla.
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It's a pun on "Godzilla", using his name.
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Apparently in Korea being 6'0 = Godzilla
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Go Killer! That way, STX will play shuttle or Calm. Muahahaha...
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On March 07 2010 13:29 koreasilver wrote:
lolk, Kal's nick he's been using is even more hilarious.
"Goojila"
rofl rofl ewrofl rofl
he's been using goojilla for like 2 years now though
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Killer should be able to take Kal out, his ZvP record is actually pretty amazing. This should be interesting at any rate. Go Killer!
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"kingdom is handsome"
"nal_ra on the other hand..."
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On March 07 2010 13:34 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 13:29 koreasilver wrote:
lolk, Kal's nick he's been using is even more hilarious.
"Goojila"
rofl rofl ewrofl rofl he's been using goojilla for like 2 years now though
Seriously? I've never payed attention to his id when he starts playing until a little while ago so I didn't know.
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On March 07 2010 13:37 konadora wrote:
"kingdom is handsome"
"nal_ra on the other hand..."
hahahaha
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Hidden Expansion at the top left for Killer. Hrrrrmmm...I like this move.
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On March 07 2010 13:37 konadora wrote:
"kingdom is handsome"
"nal_ra on the other hand..."
Bits like this are awesome. Thanks.
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On March 07 2010 13:39 XThunderyX wrote:
Hidden Expansion at the top left for Killer. Hrrrrmmm...I like this move.
It isn't hidden. He just took his first expo there instead of at his nat so the probe wouldn't delay it.
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taking the min-only before the corner would be non-standard anyway
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On March 07 2010 13:40 snowdrift86 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 13:39 XThunderyX wrote:
Hidden Expansion at the top left for Killer. Hrrrrmmm...I like this move. It isn't hidden. He just took his first expo there instead of at his nat so the probe wouldn't delay it.
Meh, details!
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Killer smart getting burrow
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On March 07 2010 13:44 cabarkapa wrote:
Killer smart getting burrow
Isn't that what you do vs Sair/reaver?
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On March 07 2010 13:45 Gao Xi wrote:Isn't that what you do vs Sair/reaver?
Wouldn't that be smart to do what you are supposed to do?
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On March 07 2010 13:45 cabarkapa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 13:45 Gao Xi wrote:On March 07 2010 13:44 cabarkapa wrote:
Killer smart getting burrow Isn't that what you do vs Sair/reaver? Wouldn't that be smart to do what you are supposed to do?
Isn't it normal to do what your supposed to do?
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Killer curb-stomped that attack wow!
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what?
and not all zergs get it since it's 100 gas
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Omg, killer snuffed out that dt drop easy yeesh
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Kal not in very good shape. He killed a lot hydras but didn't kill top left, and he's still on two bases.
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lurker under hatchery wtf
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On March 07 2010 13:47 jalstar wrote:
what?
and not all zergs get it since it's 100 gas
But it still works, and people use it. So its normal.
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On March 07 2010 13:48 snowdrift86 wrote:
Kal not in very good shape. He killed a lot hydras but didn't kill top left, and he's still on two bases.
3 base vs 4 not too bad
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Uhhh Kal has this big ground force but killer destroy's kal's force
Killer still on Lair, oddly
Kal not necessarily in bad shape, though he's just lost hoards of units all game...
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On March 07 2010 13:50 Gao Xi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 13:47 jalstar wrote:
what?
and not all zergs get it since it's 100 gas But it still works, and people use it. So its normal.
Something can be normal and smart to do.
pointless argument
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and Kal holds!
reavers and storms hold off much bigger zerg army
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direct ogn stream is so laggy damn
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storm drop for kal! nice reaction by killer minimizes losses
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Killer's been on 4 bases foreverr, he can't hope to compete with Kal's econ soon,.
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wheres killer's main haha
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On March 07 2010 13:53 Itachii wrote:
direct ogn stream is so laggy damn
yeah =(
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Wow, killer really fucked up bad this game.
Kal has this shit in the bag.
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LOL
DT just destroyed Killer's main.
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Hero DT kills Killer's main... This isn't good for him.
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Lings are useless if they're not cracklings vs late-game toss, killer! What is you doin's?
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pool gonna go down as well?
no hive, wtf were u doing Killer?
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How long has Killer been on Lair tech for?
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On March 07 2010 13:56 Redshirt wrote:
How long has Killer been on Lair tech for?
Since he planted 3rd hatch 15 minutes ago?
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Killer says fuck it, doesn't even get a new lair. Tier 1 units, that's how he rolls.
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Killer:drones i have none
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On March 07 2010 13:56 konadora wrote:
pool gonna go down as well?
no hive, wtf were u doing Killer?
Hardly surprising if you watch all of his past few ZvPs. He's winning a ton of them because all he does are aggressive all ins or similar type of bullshit that protoss players seem to have trouble blocking.
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Those sc1 archons and storms... soooo powerfull.
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looool kal's harassing is to omuch for killer
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killer ggs, think he went for mass lair units instead of 5th + hive tech but i couldn't see much
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Killer's razor sharp play reminds me of fOrGG yesterday.
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GG from killer, dang. Great harassment by Kal this game. Watching Sair/Reaver is always entertaining.
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oh god ggaemo is out for OZ
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ggaemo drags himself onto the stage.
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ggaemo's next... T_T.. gogo ggaemo!!!
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GO GO GGAEMO.
Jaedong needs to be sent out already -.-
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Oz setting stage for Dong's reverse all-kill?
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I love to see pro protoss stomp pro zergs. Almost as good as sex. I might even change my main race to protoss cause I love winning PvZ so damn much.
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On March 07 2010 13:58 okum wrote:
Killer's razor sharp play reminds me of fOrGG yesterday.
Very accurate statement. Too accurate.
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GGAEMO!?!?! There's a reason for this. I know there is. WHY GGAEMO WHY!!!
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lol its sad...but who else are they gonna send but ggaemo? they're clearly saving jaedong until the last possible moment, and there's no way that lomo or any of the oz protoss have any chance against kal
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On March 07 2010 14:00 XThunderyX wrote:
GGAEMO!?!?! There's a reason for this. I know there is. WHY GGAEMO WHY!!!
Besides JD, who esle has got any chance against Kal, but a zerg?
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On March 07 2010 14:00 XThunderyX wrote:
GGAEMO!?!?! There's a reason for this. I know there is. WHY GGAEMO WHY!!!
coaches like to see the O:
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Kal will probably throw the game to deny an All-Kill
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well, they have to fill that 4th slot somhow, who else would go? perfectman? kal would tear him to shreds.
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Wow, Oz is such a weak team. 
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On March 07 2010 14:02 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:00 XThunderyX wrote:
GGAEMO!?!?! There's a reason for this. I know there is. WHY GGAEMO WHY!!! coaches like to see the O:
Doesn't everyone?
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On March 07 2010 14:00 XThunderyX wrote:
GGAEMO!?!?! There's a reason for this. I know there is. WHY GGAEMO WHY!!!
I suppose they could send out PerfectMan. Yes, that sounds like a great idea.
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On March 07 2010 14:02 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:00 XThunderyX wrote:
GGAEMO!?!?! There's a reason for this. I know there is. WHY GGAEMO WHY!!! coaches like to see the O:
Just for laughs. :D
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ok, at least i called the hiya --> killer --> ggaemo progression.
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Should've sent Lomo. If Killer lost to Kal, GGaemo won't do any better
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I still have faith in a Jaedong reverse all-kill
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On March 07 2010 14:03 writer22816 wrote:
I still have faith in a Jaedong reverse all-kill
Thats hard to do with the other team having the ability to send 3 zergs in a row.
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GGaemo? what is that
I'm curious about the incoming JD all kill
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On March 07 2010 14:03 Gao Xi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:02 TheAntZ wrote:On March 07 2010 14:00 XThunderyX wrote:
GGAEMO!?!?! There's a reason for this. I know there is. WHY GGAEMO WHY!!! coaches like to see the O: Just for laughs. :D
coach has ggaemo on anti team
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On March 07 2010 14:03 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Should've sent Lomo. If Killer lost to Kal, GGaemo won't do any better
No matter how bad a pro zerg seems, they can always beat the best protoss with an creative all-in in alot more ways than a terran.
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On March 07 2010 14:05 Shivaz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:03 Gao Xi wrote:On March 07 2010 14:02 TheAntZ wrote:On March 07 2010 14:00 XThunderyX wrote:
GGAEMO!?!?! There's a reason for this. I know there is. WHY GGAEMO WHY!!! coaches like to see the O: Just for laughs. :D coach has ggaemo on anti team
lol
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GGamdy now lol. He changed his ID, obviously means he's gonna win now!
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ggmandy, wtf? OZ will never win if they keep choosing shit AKAs like this.
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Ggamdy, Koosh, who are these guys?
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kal vs ggaemo = auto win for kal
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On March 07 2010 14:11 BloodDrunK wrote:
kal vs ggaemo = auto win for kal
Should only count for half a win, unless Kal can make GGamdy do the :O face
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what the hell is ggamdy supposed to be?
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had his ID as ggamdy last time he played too.
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konadora
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"Nal_rA is a handsome man
Present pl0x"
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On March 07 2010 14:12 BloodDrunK wrote:
what the hell is ggamdy supposed to be?
he used it last time too, its not that new.
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Pool first for Gga...mdy.
God I don't want to call him that.
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On March 07 2010 14:13 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:12 BloodDrunK wrote:
what the hell is ggamdy supposed to be? he used it last time too, its not that new.
yeah but what does it mean?
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On March 07 2010 14:13 konadora wrote:
"Nal_rA is a handsome man
Present pl0x"
ROFL
Yeah that drawing really makes the sexiness come out.
Do the commentators ever mention his comeback?
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On March 07 2010 14:14 snowdrift86 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:13 konadora wrote:
"Nal_rA is a handsome man
Present pl0x" ROFL Yeah that drawing really makes the sexiness come out. Do the commentators ever mention his comeback?
no not yet
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both playing very standard
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Congratulations! Your ggaemo has into ggamdy.
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3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra...
sim city at 3rd for ggaemo
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On March 07 2010 14:16 Gao Xi wrote:
Congratulations! Your ggaemo has into ggamdy.
accidentally into ggamdy?
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kal pushes out with 6 slowlots
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On March 07 2010 14:17 Hopkingreenfrog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:16 Gao Xi wrote:
Congratulations! Your ggaemo has evolved into ggamdy. accidentally into ggamdy?
sorry i was laughing so hard, i missed word. lawlz
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very nice sim city at natural... zerg makes a lot of lings
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very nice control from P... Z loses a lot of OVs at natural
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mistake trying to engage lots outside of nat
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konadora
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lol overlords getting RAPED
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Oops wrong thread I am dumb.
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On March 07 2010 14:21 flamewheel91 wrote:Hey Scara, since I feel like being a bitch: PUT SOMETHING UP FOR RECOMMENDED GAMES
Am I supposed to be Scara?
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Kal slips up big time and storms all his probes while trying to kill mutas.
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Oh oops wrong one. Apologies good sir. I'm just still a bit irked at his irrational flaming last night.
(Will edit.)
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LOL suicidal storm kills all of his probes
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ggaemo with massive amount of units doing a lurk contain!!
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Huh? Kal hasn't won yet? In fact, he doesnt even look like he's all that ahead!
EDIT; nevermind GGaemo still on Lair haha
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Damn those, zealot commando drops deal sooo much damage
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On March 07 2010 14:17 Hopkingreenfrog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:16 Gao Xi wrote:
Congratulations! Your ggaemo has into ggamdy. accidentally into ggamdy?
LOL
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So... did Kal win? I'm watching the other stream
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WOW death drop into GGaemo's main, dts, reavers, sairs, it's all gone to hell for Oz!
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how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._.
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On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._.
Not likely.
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On March 07 2010 14:30 Gao Xi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. Not likely.
just as likely as if he came out last round. he needs 4 kills either way...
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On March 07 2010 14:30 Gao Xi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. Not likely.
well before it wasn't even possible so....
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kal's storms are legendary.
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On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._.
STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen.
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On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen.
Hyuk all kill
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On March 07 2010 14:32 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Hyuk all kill
not a fair comparison. hyuk is bonjwa
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ggaemo threw away his lead...
Kal again with his superb harassment =p
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KAL! time to take out the dong.
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On March 07 2010 14:35 Gao Xi wrote:
ggaemo GGs,
JD incoming
obviously it's perfectman
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Yeah but poinitively, Kal isn't going to all kill. The guy is cursed vs Jaedong.
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man rofl
this is night of 1000 shuttles
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On March 07 2010 14:35 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah but poinitively, Kal isn't going to all kill. The guy is cursed vs Jaedong.
This is true. Unless he goes some crazy-ass 1-gate robo reaver thingie.
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Mystlord
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AND THE DONG! HELLZ YEAH I CAN'T WAIT!
KAL VS JAEDONG REMATCHUU!!
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Jaedong is very vulnerable to ZvZ snipe these days. I doubt he can reverse all kill STX
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On March 07 2010 14:36 Ideas wrote:
man rofl
this is night of 1000 shuttles
his name's not red shuttle for no reason.
+ Show Spoiler + double negatives,can't not loves em.
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On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen.
Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure.
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don't know if Kal will be able to pull off an all kill.he's record vs JD is 3 wins and 20 losses.
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jd is vulnerable to a lot more than zvz. even darkelf took him out
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On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:
Calm is overrated
Overrated enough to 3-1 Jaedong on his way to MSL champ ^____^
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On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure.
JD fan calling Calm overrated is funny shit
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Konadora's stream is still laggy Where's everyone else watching this?
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On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure.
STX can also gamble with ZvZ with Modesty and Calm
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JD on an 8 game win streak against Kal. Last time Kal beat him was 2008.
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I am so glad I traded Killer for Kal this week.
On March 07 2010 14:35 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah but poinitively, Kal isn't going to all kill. The guy is cursed vs Jaedong.
Hahaha, he's on an eight game losing streak vs Jaedong.
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On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure.
JD lost to darkelf. Hwasin is better than darkelf
Calm beat Jaedong in a ZvZ Bo5
random other zerg could get a lucky BO win.
this is not a walk in the park after Kal
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On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure.
Calm is like the best ZvZer right now, and JvZ doesn't exist anymore, so I don't see how he's overrated vs JD.
On March 07 2010 14:38 1992 wrote:
STX can also gamble with ZvZ with Modesty and Calm
It's not gambling when Calm is a reliable ZvZ beast.
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On March 07 2010 14:38 BloodDrunK wrote:
don't know if Kal will be able to pull off an all kill.he's record vs JD is 3 wins and 20 losses.
ATM hes got the momentum. Esp with zergs. might suprise jaedong a bit
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On March 07 2010 11:50 jalstar wrote:
calm ended the concept of JvZ and is almost 70% ZvZ in the past year.
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Hey, he's still Jaedong.
Watch this be the night he pulls out of his 'mini-slump.'
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When Kal lose they should send Calm, Hero and July and just hope to get lucky with a BO or something. Or else we have a JD all-kill incoming!
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On March 07 2010 14:39 Spazer wrote:I am so glad I traded Killer for Kal this week. Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:35 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah but poinitively, Kal isn't going to all kill. The guy is cursed vs Jaedong. Hahaha, he's on an eight game losing streak vs Jaedong.
I'm so glad killer is on my antiteam right now.... Oh wait he gave me -17 nevermind -.-
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On March 07 2010 14:42 Holgerius wrote:
When Kal lose they should send Calm, Hero and July and just hope to get lucky with a BO or something. Or else we have a JD all-kill incoming!
Yes, Jaedong has been really "unlucky" lately hasn't he 
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OMG Jaedong means business!!
Where is everyone else watching this? Kona's stream is so laggy. :/
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wow I feel pretty bad for Jaedong right now
I bet he's super psyched to get back to regular proleague style so he only has to win 2 games every night instead of 4
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On March 07 2010 14:38 BloodDrunK wrote:
don't know if Kal will be able to pull off an all kill.he's record vs JD is 3 wins and 20 losses.
3 wins and 12 losses
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stop with the cheesy music pls! no one likes it bro. if thats ur thing, thats cool, but dont force it on others. we didnt come here to hear pop bands, we came to watch ur stream to see some epic matches!!
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I wonder if Kal's pvz has improved since losing to Jaedong in the MSL.
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On March 07 2010 14:43 asdfTT123 wrote:
OMG Jaedong means business!!
Where is everyone else watching this? Kona's stream is so laggy. :/
ogn is lagging so every stream will lag i think
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konadora
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On March 07 2010 14:45 landonious wrote:
stop with the cheesy music pls! no one likes it bro. if thats ur thing, thats cool, but dont force it on others. we didnt come here to hear pop bands, we came to watch ur stream to see some epic matches!!
mute button
and stream is privilege not a right, live with it
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Jaedong: "Seriously, my teammates fucking suck. I'm done. When does the OSL Ro16 start, again?"
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cheers for the ban responding to someones question...
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On March 07 2010 14:45 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:43 asdfTT123 wrote:
OMG Jaedong means business!!
Where is everyone else watching this? Kona's stream is so laggy. :/ ogn is lagging so every stream will lag i think
I'm using this.. doesn't lag at all for me =p
http://ogn.ferron.pe/
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On March 07 2010 14:45 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:45 landonious wrote:
stop with the cheesy music pls! no one likes it bro. if thats ur thing, thats cool, but dont force it on others. we didnt come here to hear pop bands, we came to watch ur stream to see some epic matches!! mute button
wait what happened to "kpop kills tl and me"
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On March 07 2010 14:45 landonious wrote:
stop with the cheesy music pls! no one likes it bro. if thats ur thing, thats cool, but dont force it on others. we didnt come here to hear pop bands, we came to watch ur stream to see some epic matches!!
who's stream is this? it's his/her stream, they can do whatever they want, you arent paying them to stream
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On March 07 2010 14:45 landonious wrote:
stop with the cheesy music pls! no one likes it bro. if thats ur thing, thats cool, but dont force it on others. we didnt come here to hear pop bands, we came to watch ur stream to see some epic matches!!
Stop complaining, he's giving his time to stream for you, you ingrate. If you don't like it mute the player.
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On March 07 2010 14:43 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:42 Holgerius wrote:
When Kal lose they should send Calm, Hero and July and just hope to get lucky with a BO or something. Or else we have a JD all-kill incoming! Yes, Jaedong has been really "unlucky" lately hasn't he
Indeed he has, JD never loses because his opponent is better. That is simply not possible.
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On March 07 2010 14:45 landonious wrote:
stop with the cheesy music pls! no one likes it bro. if thats ur thing, thats cool, but dont force it on others. we didnt come here to hear pop bands, we came to watch ur stream to see some epic matches!!
shut the fuck up. I muted the chat because of the music too, but don't say pointless shit like this when you won't be watching the game if it wasn't for him. Just mute the goddamned chat when a game isn't playing.
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On March 07 2010 14:45 domane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:38 BloodDrunK wrote:
don't know if Kal will be able to pull off an all kill.he's record vs JD is 3 wins and 20 losses. 3 wins and 12 losses
not counting JD or his games today his vZ is 67% but with JD but not games today he's only 55% o,o
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On March 07 2010 14:45 landonious wrote:
stop with the cheesy music pls! no one likes it bro. if thats ur thing, thats cool, but dont force it on others. we didnt come here to hear pop bands, we came to watch ur stream to see some epic matches!!
This guy must be new
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On March 07 2010 14:46 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:43 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On March 07 2010 14:42 Holgerius wrote:
When Kal lose they should send Calm, Hero and July and just hope to get lucky with a BO or something. Or else we have a JD all-kill incoming! Yes, Jaedong has been really "unlucky" lately hasn't he Indeed he has, JD never loses because his opponent is better. That is simply not possible.
I concur. Not only is it not possible, it's straight up bullshit, I tell you what!
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On March 07 2010 14:46 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:45 konadora wrote:On March 07 2010 14:45 landonious wrote:
stop with the cheesy music pls! no one likes it bro. if thats ur thing, thats cool, but dont force it on others. we didnt come here to hear pop bands, we came to watch ur stream to see some epic matches!! mute button wait what happened to "kpop kills tl and me"
i don't go around complaining about roffles' stream
i just mute it
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Kal with offensive 2 gate
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Mystlord
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Kal with the 2 gate!
Cool. JD looks like he has enough lings to drive this off though. Kal... ;/
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Assaulting with three zealots and probes. Creep going up. Kal's attacking!
....And lag.
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On March 07 2010 14:47 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:46 jalstar wrote:On March 07 2010 14:45 konadora wrote:On March 07 2010 14:45 landonious wrote:
stop with the cheesy music pls! no one likes it bro. if thats ur thing, thats cool, but dont force it on others. we didnt come here to hear pop bands, we came to watch ur stream to see some epic matches!! mute button wait what happened to "kpop kills tl and me" i don't go around complaining about roffles' stream i just mute it
oh so that wasn't kpop then my bad
i thought you had started liking it or smth
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epic fail from Kal. GG soon?
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Kal already lost. 9 streak rofl.
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Mystlord
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Kal taking the silly approach and losing all of his Zealots...
Did not do the damage that Kal needed it to do.
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And Jaedong holds. Hell yeah.
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On March 07 2010 14:50 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:47 konadora wrote:On March 07 2010 14:46 jalstar wrote:On March 07 2010 14:45 konadora wrote:On March 07 2010 14:45 landonious wrote:
stop with the cheesy music pls! no one likes it bro. if thats ur thing, thats cool, but dont force it on others. we didnt come here to hear pop bands, we came to watch ur stream to see some epic matches!! mute button wait what happened to "kpop kills tl and me" i don't go around complaining about roffles' stream i just mute it oh so that wasn't kpop then my bad i thought you had started liking it or smth
if kpop returns to how it was like 5 years ago then i'll like it again
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JD with very low econ though.. he mgiht be behind
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lmfao, i just asked if anyone else is getting really bad lag all the time or if its just me, and konadora blocked me from his stream
why man why
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On March 07 2010 14:51 TheAntZ wrote:
lmfao, i just asked if anyone else is getting really bad lag all the time or if its just me, and konadora blocked me from his stream
why man why
Its the source not Kona. Its been mentioned a couple times in this thread.
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On March 07 2010 14:51 Exteray wrote:
JD with very low econ though.. he mgiht be behind
... he's not behind, he has this.
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On March 07 2010 14:51 TheAntZ wrote:
lmfao, i just asked if anyone else is getting really bad lag all the time or if its just me, and konadora blocked me from his stream
why man why
can't bite the hand that feeds.
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2 hatch muta into gg, most likely.
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JD going muta.. Kal wanting to expand??? no cyber yet??? looks like gg
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On March 07 2010 14:52 NeoOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:51 TheAntZ wrote:
lmfao, i just asked if anyone else is getting really bad lag all the time or if its just me, and konadora blocked me from his stream
why man why Its the source not Kona. Its been mentioned a couple times in this thread.
Why am I getting no lag at all here then? http://ogn.ferron.pe/
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On March 07 2010 14:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:51 TheAntZ wrote:
lmfao, i just asked if anyone else is getting really bad lag all the time or if its just me, and konadora blocked me from his stream
why man why can't bite the hand that feeds.
i was asking TO CHECK, not complaining wtf, thought it might be only me
EDIT: oh i didnt read the thread, didnt see the other posts. was busy ripping on shien in the other thread
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zealot contain... uproot the sunken and relocate them!
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On March 07 2010 14:53 Gumbo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:52 NeoOmega wrote:On March 07 2010 14:51 TheAntZ wrote:
lmfao, i just asked if anyone else is getting really bad lag all the time or if its just me, and konadora blocked me from his stream
why man why Its the source not Kona. Its been mentioned a couple times in this thread. Why am I getting no lag at all here then? http://ogn.ferron.pe/
same.. very smooth
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lol, mass zlots vs muta and mass sunks. i can tell how this is going to end already
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konadora
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On March 07 2010 14:53 Exteray wrote:
zealot contain... uproot the sunken and relocate them!
hahaha
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As much as JvZ has declined in relevancy, JvP is still JvP. Predictable. Kal LoL
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Kal saccing zealots. most likely to buy time
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best stream so far is roffles' mini-window. Crystal clear and no lag (but so small!)
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And Kal gg's! Sry Kal, you just can't beat JD
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thats alright kal, gj on the 3 kill.
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GG from Kal.
9 game loss? Okay now Jaedong stop failing please.
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lol, jd still owns kal. nothing new
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That was a horrible game.
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GG, Kal goes out with a bang and doesn't even wait for the inevitable muta harass. My JD love means I'm ok with this victory, but now he's gonna get taken down.
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i watched this game on the mini screen, wtf is this 2 gate build and doesnt attack?
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Kal was on fire, can JD all kill this ?
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jaedong reverse all kill lets go
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our boy JD is not looking fully awake or happy today
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COME ON JD! SHOW US SOME OF THAT JvZ YOU STILL HAVE IN YOU!
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On March 07 2010 14:56 anch wrote:
i watched this game on the mini screen, wtf is this 2 gate build and doesnt attack?
He attacked, the contain was after his initial attack failed.
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Was that Modesty for STX?
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Lol STX trying to abuse the 'ZvZ luck' to snipe Jaedong.
No wonder no zerg all kills so far. Stupid matchup.
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god damn that blue uniform is sexy as hell!
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On March 07 2010 14:57 Highways wrote:
Lol STX trying to abuse the 'ZvZ luck' to snipe Jaedong.
No wonder no zerg all kills so far. Stupid matchup.
modesty 7-3 in last 10 zvz
jjaedong 6-4 in last 10 zvz
will be rape
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On March 07 2010 14:56 razorsuKe wrote:
our boy JD is not looking fully awake or happy today
He has to all-kill STX Soul.
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On March 07 2010 14:57 Highways wrote:
Lol STX trying to abuse the 'ZvZ luck' to snipe Jaedong.
No wonder no zerg all kills so far. Stupid matchup.
Wow, wonder why Calm and Kwanro have so much 'ZvZ luck.' Probably because it's a stupid matchup right durrr hurrrr
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On March 07 2010 14:54 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
As much as JvZ has declined in relevancy, JvP is still JvP. Predictable. Kal LoL
its more JvKal than JvP lol
man kal is just doomed to never beat JD
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On March 07 2010 15:00 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:57 Highways wrote:
Lol STX trying to abuse the 'ZvZ luck' to snipe Jaedong.
No wonder no zerg all kills so far. Stupid matchup. Wow, wonder why Calm and Kwanro have so much 'ZvZ luck.' Probably because it's a stupid matchup right durrr hurrrr
So Calm and Kwanro is the ZvZ meterstick now?
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On March 07 2010 15:00 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:57 Highways wrote:
Lol STX trying to abuse the 'ZvZ luck' to snipe Jaedong.
No wonder no zerg all kills so far. Stupid matchup. Wow, wonder why Calm and Kwanro have so much 'ZvZ luck.' Probably because it's a stupid matchup right durrr hurrrr
There is a reason Zergs are sent out to snipe Zergs. Do you think it happens because they find ZvZ fun to watch?
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Modesty can join CJ for all I know
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On March 07 2010 14:56 razorsuKe wrote:
our boy JD is not looking fully awake or happy today
Yeah, I noticed that the last two WL-matches too.
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On March 07 2010 15:07 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:56 razorsuKe wrote:
our boy JD is not looking fully awake or happy today Yeah, I noticed that the last two WL-matches too.
because of school maybe?
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On March 07 2010 15:08 cabarkapa wrote:
big drop incoming?
I doubt it.
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On March 07 2010 15:00 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:56 razorsuKe wrote:
our boy JD is not looking fully awake or happy today He has to all-kill STX Soul.
And how is that relevant? He should have his death stare mode on anyways.
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Shit, Jaedong's death stare is more intense than usual...
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alright looking good so far, jd with 12 pool and modest with 9p
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Modesty with a 9pool, Jaedong with a 12pool. Jaedong ahead with the build order right now.
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On March 07 2010 15:09 flamewheel91 wrote:
Shit, Jaedong's death stare is more intense than usual...
FBH has a better death stare. =_=
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konadora
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lol is this 9 overpool gas vs 12 pool gas hatch?
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lol, obviously hoping for the 9-pool speed vs 12 hatch auto-win. wonder if we see some ling all-in or if modesty will actually play it out
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Jd's hatch under attack...
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Modesty's lings attacking JD's Hatchery at nat
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Mystlord
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WTF MODESTY IS GOING TO BEAT JD RIGHT HERE???
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Wow Jaedong's about to lose his hatch...?
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Mystlord
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wtf hatchery going to go down!!!
LOOOOL AHHHHHH JD!!!
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JD loses his expansion hatchery and has to pull a ton of drones!
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Wow and the hatch goes down.
That's a loss right there...
WHAT THE FUCK JAEDONG.
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Hatchery goes down...not looking good for JD
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OMGGG.................. nat hatch goes down T_T
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aren t you supposed to hold that with lings and two drones?
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LOL WTF?!?! ROFLMAO SNIPED
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Ahhh hatch falls... Jaedong might have failed already!!! Lings running into his main
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and now i can go to sleep unhappy
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JD countering, but Modesty already has a sunk going down in his base. JD waltzes up the ramp easily, but despite doing well in ling battle fails to kill even a single drone.
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On March 07 2010 15:12 okum wrote:
Yay ZvZ.
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Spire going up for Modesty, Lair not done for JD
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yeah that's game, jd's lair is not even up and modesty's spire is half done =\
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Modesty's Spire almost done and Jd's Lair still on the way... ugh
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Why didn't Modesty go for lair first? Speedlings are hard to hold off =[
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Jaedong has been making me sad...
Please do something epic. Please.
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Awesome
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OMG JD LOSES!!!
LOOOL HFDASHG;LDASHR;WELAJFD;LSAJF;LDSAJF
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JD fans cant blame MU or BO for this one. pure and epic fail lol.
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Mutas are out for Modesty...
Jaedong GGs.
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GG!!! Jaedong lost to Modesty
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On March 07 2010 15:14 Chen wrote:
JD fans cant blame MU or BO for this one. pure and epic fail lol.
speedling first is a bo over 12 pool
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fuck this, official end of my fantasy roster right here
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Well that was certainly unexpected. So much for "build order win."
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On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure.
....so how did that work out for ya?
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lol Jaedong and Effort really need to stop doing 12pool every single ZvZ. It makes them way too predictable.
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On March 07 2010 15:14 Chen wrote:
JD fans cant blame MU or BO for this one. pure and epic fail lol.
Lol what? How did JD fail there? 9 pool speed owns 12 pool expo 90% of the time. Not trying to make excuses or anything, but people who say 12 pool should automatically beat 9pool obviously don't play Zerg or watch much ZvZ.
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On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure.
wut?
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i'm seriously getting tired of watching JD autolose every goddamn zvz to lings
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as much as I'm happy that STX won, it really tears a hole in my heart seeing JD lose ZvZ after ZvZ, the matchup he CREATED
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On March 07 2010 15:15 QuakerOats wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:14 Chen wrote:
JD fans cant blame MU or BO for this one. pure and epic fail lol. Lol what? How did JD fail there? 9 pool speed owns 12 pool expo 90% of the time. Not trying to make excuses or anything, but people who say 12 pool should automatically beat 9pool obviously don't play Zerg or watch much ZvZ.
They don't differentiate between speed first or lair first.
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On March 07 2010 15:14 Chen wrote:
JD fans cant blame MU or BO for this one. pure and epic fail lol.
Yeah, to be fair, it's more of "what happened to JD's ZvZ" than "ZvZ".
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And I dunno why people still don't realize that 9poolspeed kills 12pool expo unless the rush distance is really far.
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Should we start making threads titled: Whatever happened to Jaedong?
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Wasn't expecting much but hey at least he got some points for breaking Kal's streak.
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Well, Modesty's only talent is ZvZ, this is why he's on the team people.
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On March 07 2010 15:15 Ideas wrote:
as much as I'm happy that STX won, it really tears a hole in my heart seeing JD lose ZvZ after ZvZ, the matchup he CREATED
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So do you get sad when you see Bisu lose a PvZ, Stork lose a PvT, or Flash lose a Tvanything?
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It seems JDs ZvT and ZvP are SO much better than his zvz right now
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On March 07 2010 15:16 koreasilver wrote:
And I dunno why people still don't realize that 9poolspeed kills 12pool expo unless the rush distance is really far.
cross map on 4 player 128X128? =/ its about as far as you get.
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On March 07 2010 15:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:15 Ideas wrote:
as much as I'm happy that STX won, it really tears a hole in my heart seeing JD lose ZvZ after ZvZ, the matchup he CREATED
:\ So do you get sad when you see Bisu lose a PvZ, Stork lose a PvT, or Flash lose a Tvanything?
i do
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On March 07 2010 15:16 cosiant wrote:
Should we start making threads titled: Whatever happened to Jaedong?
Also, I think I've seen a few of those already...
This has been going on for far too long :/
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On March 07 2010 15:17 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:16 koreasilver wrote:
And I dunno why people still don't realize that 9poolspeed kills 12pool expo unless the rush distance is really far. cross map? =/ its about as far as you get.
Important thing is Modesty got 6 lings to Jaedong's ramp before Jaedong scouted them. Diagonal cross is as far as you can get.
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STX~!
Modesty is honestly an amazing ZvZ sniper lol.
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People finally caught up to Jaedong in ZvZ metagame, it's as simple as that, just like everything else in pro-SC, not the end of the world or the end of JD, folks. Chillax.
Anyway, OH YEAH STX
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On March 07 2010 15:08 jalstar wrote:
because of school maybe?
That's my guess, school makes tired and unhappy :/
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On March 07 2010 15:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:15 Ideas wrote:
as much as I'm happy that STX won, it really tears a hole in my heart seeing JD lose ZvZ after ZvZ, the matchup he CREATED
:\ So do you get sad when you see Bisu lose a PvZ, Stork lose a PvT, or Flash lose a Tvanything?
yes
except flash, he loses so rarely that him losing is shocking enough to be entertaining
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I'll rather watch Starcraft 2 than ZvZ.
In terms of skill required SC2 >>>> Sc1 ZvZ
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On March 07 2010 15:18 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:On March 07 2010 15:15 Ideas wrote:
as much as I'm happy that STX won, it really tears a hole in my heart seeing JD lose ZvZ after ZvZ, the matchup he CREATED
:\ So do you get sad when you see Bisu lose a PvZ, Stork lose a PvT, or Flash lose a Tvanything? yes except flash, he loses so rarely that him losing is shocking enough to be entertaining
Flash vs M18M was... yeah...
Though it was entertaining, you're right.
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On March 07 2010 15:18 Highways wrote:
I'll rather watch Starcraft 2 than ZvZ.
In terms of skill required SC2 >>>> Sc1 ZvZ
Are you kidding me? ZvZ requires a lot of concentration and micro.
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On March 07 2010 15:19 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:18 Highways wrote:
I'll rather watch Starcraft 2 than ZvZ.
In terms of skill required SC2 >>>> Sc1 ZvZ Are you kidding me? ZvZ requires a lot of concentration and micro.
I sense trollllllllllll. (from the person above the person I quoted :O )
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On March 07 2010 15:18 Highways wrote:
I'll rather watch Starcraft 2 than ZvZ.
In terms of skill required SC2 >>>> Sc1 ZvZ
Bitter much? ZvZ is very demanding in micro. It's a limited skill set (lings - mutas - scourge, rinse repeat), but you have to take it to the highest level to win.
And don't hate on Modesty, he's probably been playing ZvZ non-stop for days in the STX house basement in preparation for this match.
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On March 07 2010 15:18 Highways wrote:
I'll rather watch Starcraft 2 than ZvZ.
In terms of skill required SC2 >>>> Sc1 ZvZ
+ Show Spoiler +
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On March 07 2010 15:15 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure. ....so how did that work out for ya?
Jaedong got unlucky with the build orders, plus the map was bad for zerg.
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On March 07 2010 15:21 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:15 moopie wrote:On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure. ....so how did that work out for ya? Jaedong got unlucky with the build orders, plus the map was bad for zerg.
Rofl.
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On March 07 2010 15:21 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:15 moopie wrote:On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure. ....so how did that work out for ya? Jaedong got unlucky with the build orders, plus the map was bad for zerg.
too bad it was a zvz
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On March 07 2010 15:21 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:15 moopie wrote:On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure. ....so how did that work out for ya? Jaedong got unlucky with the build orders, plus the map was bad for zerg.
On March 07 2010 15:21 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:15 moopie wrote:On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure. ....so how did that work out for ya? Jaedong got unlucky with the build orders, plus the map was bad for zerg.
Has to be sarcasm. Has to be.
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On March 07 2010 15:21 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:15 moopie wrote:On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure. ....so how did that work out for ya? Jaedong got unlucky with the build orders, plus the map was bad for zerg.
and he's tired from his team relying on him so much, and he didn't try in this game anyways, and Jaedong would have won if he didn't make the mistakes he did, and yeah zerg imba in Modesty's favor
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Wait what? The map was clearly bad for both of them, yes.
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ugh tornado is so bad for zvz. Zerg ALWAYS wins.
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You guys started trolling first, don't blame me.
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On March 07 2010 15:23 Slow Motion wrote:
and he's tired from his team relying on him so much, and he didn't try in this game anyways, and Jaedong would have won if he didn't make the mistakes he did, and yeah zerg imba in Modesty's favor
That part is partially true though -- he looked pissed even before the game, when he saw how Kal was demolishing his team. The pressure must be eating him. Starleague season can't happen too soon.
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On March 07 2010 15:23 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:21 Nikon wrote:On March 07 2010 15:15 moopie wrote:On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure. ....so how did that work out for ya? Jaedong got unlucky with the build orders, plus the map was bad for zerg. and he's tired from his team relying on him so much, and he didn't try in this game anyways, and Jaedong would have won if he didn't make the mistakes he did, and yeah zerg imba in Modesty's favor
Ahahahaha, I have to agree with you with you man, Jaedong never loses loses to someone that is just better than him in that game on that day
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Modesty is the true ZvZ sniper.
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On March 07 2010 15:21 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:15 moopie wrote:On March 07 2010 14:37 Nikon wrote:On March 07 2010 14:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On March 07 2010 14:29 Pebbles wrote:
how likely is the jaedong reverse all kill now ._. STX is a super strong team, that's not very likely too happen. Calm is overrated, and while Hwasin is a dedicated vZ sniper, we're talking about Jeadong here. If Kal dies next game, Jeadong will reverse allkill for sure. ....so how did that work out for ya? Jaedong got unlucky with the build orders, plus the map was bad for zerg.
lol
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On March 07 2010 15:25 Nikon wrote:
You guys started trolling first, don't blame me.
I didn't see anyone trolling you.
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On March 07 2010 15:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 15:15 Ideas wrote:
as much as I'm happy that STX won, it really tears a hole in my heart seeing JD lose ZvZ after ZvZ, the matchup he CREATED
:\ So do you get sad when you see Bisu lose a PvZ, Stork lose a PvT, or Flash lose a Tvanything?
nah I dont like them nearly as much as JD lol
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Did you guys notice how pro teams always send out a Zerg against a Zerg no matter how good the Z is? Thats because they know that ZvZ is a luck-based matchup and even a fucking D level Zerg wil snipe Jaedong with the lucky build
No need to criticize Jaedong for the meta-game of ZvZ
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On March 07 2010 16:08 AzureEye wrote:
Did you guys notice how pro teams always send out a Zerg against a Zerg no matter how good the Z is? Thats because they know that ZvZ is a luck-based matchup and even a fucking D level Zerg wil snipe Jaedong with the lucky build
No need to criticize Jaedong for the meta-game of ZvZ
Because you obviously ignored it the first time:
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far out. Why are my fav players keep failing =[ and please stop 12 pooling jd =[
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On March 07 2010 16:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 16:08 AzureEye wrote:
Did you guys notice how pro teams always send out a Zerg against a Zerg no matter how good the Z is? Thats because they know that ZvZ is a luck-based matchup and even a fucking D level Zerg wil snipe Jaedong with the lucky build
No need to criticize Jaedong for the meta-game of ZvZ Because you obviously ignored it the first time:
He still has a point. This tendency has been pretty damn consistent since JvZ fell (and even before). I wouldnt say luckbased, but to be honest its the less fun to watch.
EDIT : The more I'm thinking about it, yes I'm butthurt. I'm seeing my favorite player since I started watching Starcraft (which was pretty much with the fall of Savior) finally get into a slump, which never happened to me before. I guess I know what you Savior, Bisu, Flash, etc fans feel like now. But I'll stick with JD forever! And I still think ZvZ is bullshit right now.
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JD always goes into a "slump" when there are no starleagues going on... He then comes back just in time to win one of them. This isn't the first time JD's had a few losses to crappy players.
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You can't say stupid shit like "ZvZ is bullshit" when a big reason as to why Jaedong has been losing ZvZ so much is because he's become too predictable with his 12pool antics.
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On March 07 2010 16:39 QuakerOats wrote:
JD always goes into a "slump" when there are no starleagues going on... He then comes back just in time to win one of them. This isn't the first time JD's had a few losses to crappy players.
yeah.. Its fine he'll win another league, thats all that matters
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"I'm tired of JD is really good but loses all of his zvz's."
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TWELVE HATCH IS DEAD AND BURIED. When Jaedong won JvZ it was when he actually played as JAEDONG not wtf12hatchisstillagoodideainZvZ.
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On March 07 2010 16:53 Monokeros wrote:
TWELVE HATCH IS DEAD AND BURIED. When Jaedong won JvZ it was when he actually played as JAEDONG not wtf12hatchisstillagoodideainZvZ.
JD didnt 12 hatch that game..
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Wow Jaedong...
What happened with your JvZ?
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Usually around this time of year Jaedong starts to perform pretty poorly. He'll bounce back next month~
please...
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..x_X JD slumping...? Aiyah..
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First Bisu and now JD.looks like slump season for the giants.
on the other hand,my faith in modesty has somewhat saved my FPL.so i'm kinda happy that JD lost.
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On March 07 2010 16:59 PiePie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 16:53 Monokeros wrote:
TWELVE HATCH IS DEAD AND BURIED. When Jaedong won JvZ it was when he actually played as JAEDONG not wtf12hatchisstillagoodideainZvZ. JD didnt 12 hatch that game..
I saw a hatchery outside of his base thats 12 hatch to me.
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On March 07 2010 18:28 Monokeros wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 16:59 PiePie wrote:On March 07 2010 16:53 Monokeros wrote:
TWELVE HATCH IS DEAD AND BURIED. When Jaedong won JvZ it was when he actually played as JAEDONG not wtf12hatchisstillagoodideainZvZ. JD didnt 12 hatch that game.. I saw a hatchery outside of his base thats 12 hatch to me.
nope that's just called making a hatchery
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Lol @ everyone who says 12 pool is a bo win over 9 spool speed.
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I don't get it why they sent 2 Zergs against Kal before sending Jaedong in. Kal has like, the most underrated PvZ right now...
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Great play by Kal.
But his record against Jaedong is terrible ^^
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On March 07 2010 17:53 Ozarugold wrote:
Usually around this time of year Jaedong starts to perform pretty poorly. He'll bounce back next month~
please...
Wasn't this time last year when Jaedong was destroying Winners League?
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On March 07 2010 20:57 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 17:53 Ozarugold wrote:
Usually around this time of year Jaedong starts to perform pretty poorly. He'll bounce back next month~
please... Wasn't this time last year when Jaedong was destroying Winners League?
Well its technically not this time of the year, its the times in the year where there are no SLs going on that JD is slumping/performing poorly for an unknown reason.
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On March 07 2010 20:24 SilverSkyLark wrote:
I don't get it why they sent 2 Zergs against Kal before sending Jaedong in. Kal has like, the most underrated PvZ right now...
Yeah if they had sent Jaedong out earlier one of the other zergs could have sniped modesty and they could still have had a chance of winning. Doh!
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Wow JD what happened man totaly disapointed... at least lose to good players
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oz really needs another good player ><
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Oz needs JD to play better
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JvZ is dead. Oz is gonna have to find another player cuz Jaedong simply can't all kill like Flash can due to ZvZ.
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FFS jaedong... how did you go from the best ZvZ in the world to plain average.
Well at least jaedong is still by far the best ZvP and ZvT in the world.
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On March 07 2010 16:46 koreasilver wrote:
You can't say stupid shit like "ZvZ is bullshit" when a big reason as to why Jaedong has been losing ZvZ so much is because he's become too predictable with his 12pool antics.
um..I thought Jaedong mixed in other builds as well?
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On March 07 2010 18:28 Monokeros wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 16:59 PiePie wrote:On March 07 2010 16:53 Monokeros wrote:
TWELVE HATCH IS DEAD AND BURIED. When Jaedong won JvZ it was when he actually played as JAEDONG not wtf12hatchisstillagoodideainZvZ. JD didnt 12 hatch that game.. I saw a hatchery outside of his base thats 12 hatch to me.
He went 12 pool. Then made a hatch. Thats not a 12 hatch, thats called a 12 pool. 12 hatch is hatch at 12 before pool. Just because theres a hatch outside your base doesn't mean you 12 hatched lol
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On March 07 2010 16:49 fallingdream wrote:
"I'm tired of JD is really good but loses all of his zvz's."
Jaedong is 14-7 in his last ZvTs, with multiple losses to Flash, one loss to Sea and one bad loss to Darkelf but over this time beating down every good terran in the world, including Flash a few times.
Jaedong is 22-4 in his last ZvPs, with all four losses to Stork.
Jaedong ZvZ is very fucked up now clearly. He is still at 74%, and while he loses more now, he is still 13-7 in his last 20 games. Of course the standards are much higher for someone like Jaedong so this is hard to accept.
Even with worse than his normal greatness in ZvZ (14-7 in ZvT is amazing in this day and age), jaedong constently shows that come starleague time he steps up and makes it far into the tournament, winning at least one title each of the last 3 seasons.
Also, even with some hick-ups in ZvZ (still well above 50% in recent games), he is significantly more consistent among matchups than any other zerg in the world atm and almost always against greater competition.
On top of all of that, in the interview that Modesty gave for this very night of matches he states plainly that "zvz is 50:50, anyone can win ZvZ if they focus."
Overall? Jaedong is still by far the best zerg in the world, and we have no reason to think that come starleague time that he won't roflstomp his way to the ro8/4 before he runs into any players who can challenge him.
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On March 08 2010 01:13 PangO wrote:
Oz needs JD to play better
Jaedong just beat Kal, one of the strongest Protoss, ez pz. The omg slump! talk is over the top. It's just that JvZ is no more, and with every mid-tier Zerg in this Winners League seemingly fully devoted to ZvZ and sent out to snipe top Zergs, any Z can pretty much beat any other Z at the moment, aside from Calm.
As other people have said, JD's OZ buffer is failing him. They only have two decent players, Hiya and Killer, while the rest of the team is garbage. Very few teams have so little depth. And it's clear that none of the other players are going to improve at this point -- only Killer delivered on his potential and managed to turn into a decent player. ggaemo, PerfectMan? Allow me to lulz.
Anyway, it's obvious that regardless of what he says about supporting the team, Jaedong is far more motivated by the starleagues. And can we fault him for that, with the team he's on?
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This is not an excuse, but imo 12pool expand is the worst build you can go in ZvZ.
I'd rather see a 12hatch loss than 12pool expand to overpool speed
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On March 08 2010 07:21 SuperArc wrote:
This is not an excuse, but imo 12pool expand is the worst build you can go in ZvZ.
I'd rather see a 12hatch loss than 12pool expand to overpool speed
hey 12pool expand is my favorite ZvZ build 
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On March 08 2010 02:52 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2010 16:46 koreasilver wrote:
You can't say stupid shit like "ZvZ is bullshit" when a big reason as to why Jaedong has been losing ZvZ so much is because he's become too predictable with his 12pool antics. um..I thought Jaedong mixed in other builds as well?
He's been going 12pool expo in about 80%+ of his ZvZs in the last like six months. Same with Effort. It's no big surprise that they've been losing a lot more ZvZs than before when they were on the top of the foodchain in the matchup. Just in the recent OSL games Effort started with a build order loss in every single fucking game with 12pool vs 12hatch. It's only that Effort played just much better that he was able to win 2-1, but it's a real testament to how goddamned predictable they are with their builds in ZvZ nowadays.
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ah. so.. JvZ is officially over?
i want to see the ZvZ master Jaedong in action
it seems after the PL finals his ZvZ has slipped > <
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Not being a zvz player, I was under the impression that 12 pool beat 9 pool due to better econ and not too late zerglings.
If 9 pool speed beats 12 pool hatch, then what does 12 pool hatch beat?
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Depends on the map. In general it beats 12pool speed or 12pool lair. or 9 pool expand, or 9pool lair. And doesn't autolose to 12hatch.
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