On March 04 2010 07:06 Stupidity wrote: If he doesn't win, his time is over. Ridiculously weak group with a bug abusing terran and some no namer zerg.
I am also that Opinion. And that's why Bisu Fans should unite and support him more than ever. Even if he goes down, i think we should treat him like Savior. And cry everytime he loses to yet another 2-fac push
edit: Hell, Bisu is my least favorite among Lee-Ssang-Taek-Bang, but I'm a fan anyway. I really hope he goes far in this OSL, which is already shaping up to have an incredible Ro16.
Effort pulled through somehow. So can you. ;+______+;
Come on, man, this is the easiest round of 36 group you can possibly ask for. Please don't screw this up, man. This is shaping up to be the biggest starleague in history, and you are the one of Lee-Ssang-Taek-Bang who is yet to qualify into round of 16. Seriously, don't mess this up. Please!
To think that Bisu has declined to this state, when merely qualifying for the OSL becomes a giant question mark.
The day he rose, the day he overthrowed the maestro, the day of glory. Glory of the Protoss Kingdom. He will fight not just to win but to destroy and exterminate the swarm.
Cmonnnn Bisu! Your play seems to be picking up recently, just keep up your momentum and get some confidence in yourself.
Its hard to believe that this time last OSL, Bisu was #2 on the scene... he just dominated everybody at WCG (including Stork and Flash), and was destroying noobs in proleague. =(
On March 04 2010 10:33 Sentenal wrote: Bisu has had worse "slumps" than what he is in now. I believe. gogo can't beat Bisu twice with bio.
Wasn't that into SC gaming before, could've you point out what time did Bisu had his last big slump?
Actually, Bisu only had one huge slump that's worth mentioning. But it was pretty huge and lasted pretty damn long. It was after he lost to Mind in his third MSL final, and then lost in the OSL semifinal to bring only the bronze (if he had won both, he would have been labeled the fifth Bonjwa). Right after that, he started a mysterious slump when he failed to make out of his MSL group consisted of noobie players and continued onward from there. Best actually had to carry SKT in the proleague and was the SKT ace player. I think it was also around then that SKT completely lost its aura of invincibility as the proleague power house due to the decline of Boxer/Iloveoov combo. Bisu and JulyZerg, big names that SKT bought in, did not improve their proleague record. It more or less led to the former-coach of SKT being fired and the new head coach brought in, who did some magic voodoo and made everything better again.
Then Bisu reemerged like almost a year later, finally won his third MSL title against Jangbi, started raping everybody again like a bonjwa. His final requirement that he needed before getting the "b" word was defeating Jaedong in the OSL final.
Then Fantasy 3-0 Bisu in the semi.
That's the end of Bisu's shot at the "b" word. Since then, his dominance is on a steady decline, to the point when we have to pray to Adun in order to ensure that Bisu makes out of this laughable qualification group.
On March 04 2010 11:28 sMi.MeOw wrote: I remember this Bisu female fan in Korea claiming that she will use sulfuric acid on his face if he lost vs somebody like a year ago...
I reckon that's probably the biggest threat to Bisu like...ever...
On March 04 2010 10:33 Sentenal wrote: Bisu has had worse "slumps" than what he is in now. I believe. gogo can't beat Bisu twice with bio.
Wasn't that into SC gaming before, could've you point out what time did Bisu had his last big slump?
Actually, Bisu only had one huge slump that's worth mentioning. But it was pretty huge and lasted pretty damn long. It was after he lost to Mind in his third MSL final, and then lost in the OSL semifinal to bring only the bronze (if he had won both, he would have been labeled the fifth Bonjwa). Right after that, he started a mysterious slump when he failed to make out of his MSL group consisted of noobie players and continued onward from there. Best actually had to carry SKT in the proleague and was the SKT ace player. I think it was also around then that SKT completely lost its aura of invincibility as the proleague power house due to the decline of Boxer/Iloveoov combo. Bisu and JulyZerg, big names that SKT bought in, did not improve their proleague record. It more or less led to the former-coach of SKT being fired and the new head coach brought in, who did some magic voodoo and made everything better again.
Then Bisu reemerged like almost a year later, finally won his third MSL title against Jangbi, started raping everybody again like a bonjwa. His final requirement that he needed before getting the "b" word was defeating Jaedong in the OSL final.
Then Fantasy 3-0 Bisu in the semi.
That's the end of Bisu's shot at the "b" word. Since then, his dominance is on a steady decline, to the point when we have to pray to Adun in order to ensure that Bisu makes out of this laughable qualification group.
Yeah, I was really shocked when Bisu lost to Fantasy at the semifinals. That was during the period where Bisu was seriously at the top of his game and he was playing PvT better than PvZ, and he was one of the few Protosses to be able to beat Flash consistently.
It's so weird how fast things can change. It doesn't feel that long ago when Bisu looked invincible.
On March 04 2010 10:33 Sentenal wrote: Bisu has had worse "slumps" than what he is in now. I believe. gogo can't beat Bisu twice with bio.
Wasn't that into SC gaming before, could've you point out what time did Bisu had his last big slump?
Basically late 2007 all the way to the start of Clubday MSL. Bisu losing to Mind in the GOM TV MSL s3 finals may have been the start of it, but he wasn't exactly weak after that loss. I think the real start of that slump was when Stork beat him in the OSL.
Bisu played better in the MSL than he has in the proleague lately. Fantasy, likewise. Maybe this means SKT1 is prioritizing individual leagues right now?
On March 04 2010 14:18 HnR)hT wrote: Bisu played better in the MSL than he has in the proleague lately. Fantasy, likewise. Maybe this means SKT1 is prioritizing individual leagues right now?
Not exactly. Bisu is achieving visible result by 2-0 his MSL group. However, Bisu's recent WL record isn't as bad as it may look. He doesn't get to play a lot because Fantasy has been doing a lot of 2 kill, 3 kill and all kill. He lost against Flash, big deal. He lost against Hogil, the ZvP sniper. OK. He lost against Light, yes, but he put up an epic fight.
As for Fantasy, I dunno where you have been, but Fantasy has been doing VERY well in the WL. Even Light expressed surprise that he won against Fantasy at all.
The reason why we say Bisu is slumping is simply because he is performing way way below our expectation of a S-class player. He's definitely no longer an equal to Flash and Jaedong. I'd say that Stork is better than Bisu at the moment from the matches that I have watched.
Stork v.s. Jaedong. Watch it, it's epic.
Also, watch Stork v.s. Flash. Stork should have been rolled over at the 12 minute mark after his failed DT all in. But he's Stork, even if his opponent is Flash. A BO5 Stork v.s. Flash is currently my dream final.
Bisu's life might hang on whether he can get through this group. Losing to Modesty will be a devastating blow to him, and making a 0-2 exit out of the MSL that much more likely.
Uh I might actually get up for this and watch it despite playing sc2 beta. It just fills me with satisfaction to see bisu crash over and over again and taste the sweat tears of his weeping fanboys.
On March 04 2010 14:48 damenmofa wrote: Uh I might actually get up for this and watch it despite playing sc2 beta. It just fills me with satisfaction to see bisu crash over and over again and taste the sweat tears of his weeping fanboys.
That's pretty funny from a savior fan. Man in that picture, it's almost like Bisu didn't have red hair or something. It was a different time.
I really hope to see a great Protoss player dominate in StarCraft before it gets overshadowed by its successor. From what I know, it seems Protoss has been the hardest race for players to excel at, I wish the Taek-Bang Era and the Six Dragons had been more than just a brief glitch in StarCraft history.
Still, even if Protoss never achieves as much as the other races have, even if they get mocked as being easier at the low levels of play, I will forever remain a Protoss fan, as I have been since that day, twelve years ago, when my entire army was raped by Psionic Storms in Zerg Campaign Mission 8.
On March 04 2010 14:18 HnR)hT wrote: Bisu played better in the MSL than he has in the proleague lately. Fantasy, likewise. Maybe this means SKT1 is prioritizing individual leagues right now?
Not exactly. Bisu is achieving visible result by 2-0 his MSL group. However, Bisu's recent WL record isn't as bad as it may look. He doesn't get to play a lot because Fantasy has been doing a lot of 2 kill, 3 kill and all kill. He lost against Flash, big deal. He lost against Hogil, the ZvP sniper. OK. He lost against Light, yes, but he put up an epic fight.
As for Fantasy, I dunno where you have been, but Fantasy has been doing VERY well in the WL. Even Light expressed surprise that he won against Fantasy at all.
The reason why we say Bisu is slumping is simply because he is performing way way below our expectation of a S-class player. He's definitely no longer an equal to Flash and Jaedong. I'd say that Stork is better than Bisu at the moment from the matches that I have watched.
Stork v.s. Jaedong. Watch it, it's epic.
Also, watch Stork v.s. Flash. Stork should have been rolled over at the 12 minute mark after his failed DT all in. But he's Stork, even if his opponent is Flash. A BO5 Stork v.s. Flash is currently my dream final.
Best final is JD vs Flash by far.
A ro4 Stork vs Flash could be more epic tho, but a final with Stork and Flash/JD would be boring since we all would know the winner already.
Even if Bisu doesn't qualify from this group, he will be back I'm sure. He was slumping once already, remember? And came back stronger than ever winning MSL and GOM.
On March 05 2010 02:22 years wrote: Ah, yes, his fight against Light makes me think he can take go.go, and his pvz has been showing brilliance here and there, and still, im scared.
On March 05 2010 02:22 years wrote: Ah, yes, his fight against Light makes me think he can take go.go, and his pvz has been showing brilliance here and there, and still, im scared.
Proxy 2 fact cheese. Bo1. Not much you can do except cross your fingers and pray you scout it in time.
But anyways, if he can make it to the semis, that will be good enough for me. Hope he lands his slumping ass in a group of death though. Only against serious competiton does can we see some true Bisu play.
On March 05 2010 02:22 years wrote: Ah, yes, his fight against Light makes me think he can take go.go, and his pvz has been showing brilliance here and there, and still, im scared.
I think Modesty will be a bigger problem than gogo... he has been quite good lately. Even though I'm not at all a Bisu fan, OSL will just be so much better with him in it. So, go Bisu!
On March 05 2010 02:22 years wrote: Ah, yes, his fight against Light makes me think he can take go.go, and his pvz has been showing brilliance here and there, and still, im scared.
On March 05 2010 02:22 years wrote: Ah, yes, his fight against Light makes me think he can take go.go, and his pvz has been showing brilliance here and there, and still, im scared.
On March 05 2010 02:22 years wrote: Ah, yes, his fight against Light makes me think he can take go.go, and his pvz has been showing brilliance here and there, and still, im scared.
Bisu-Stork-Jaedong-Flash Semifinals would be so epic. But IMO if Bisu can pick up his PvZ just a little more (and advance through this group lol), a Bisu vs Jaedong finals would be just as epic as Jaedong/Flash or Stork/Flash final.
On March 05 2010 02:22 years wrote: Ah, yes, his fight against Light makes me think he can take go.go, and his pvz has been showing brilliance here and there, and still, im scared.
oh Bisu, the only revolutionist i love.. I just hope you didn't get savior'd and even if u did and chose the dark path, you will still be my most favourite player EVER!
On March 05 2010 05:33 Tempest[OEC] wrote: Bisu-Stork-Jaedong-Flash Semifinals would be so epic. But IMO if Bisu can pick up his PvZ just a little more (and advance through this group lol), a Bisu vs Jaedong finals would be just as epic as Jaedong/Flash or Stork/Flash final.
What? Jaedong is so much better than Bisu is right now a finals between them would be a one sided rape.
Though Stork/Bisu have produced some really amazing PvP's in their own right.
On March 05 2010 05:33 Tempest[OEC] wrote: Bisu-Stork-Jaedong-Flash Semifinals would be so epic. But IMO if Bisu can pick up his PvZ just a little more (and advance through this group lol), a Bisu vs Jaedong finals would be just as epic as Jaedong/Flash or Stork/Flash final.
What? Jaedong is so much better than Bisu is right now a finals between them would be a one sided rape.
Though Stork/Bisu have produced some really amazing PvP's in their own right.
Id have to disagree. Jaedong definitely hasnt been playing his best in WL (not pulling out the s-word). Neither has Bisu but he pulls off several games and his losses were not one-sided rapes either. But I guess a Stork/Jaedong finals would be better? Lol. I want to see a PvZ final in the OSL. Stork and Bisu seem to have the highest chance imo.
BISU FIGHTING! Planning on going to bed at 11pm and waking up at 4:30 to catch Bisu. He needs to step it up after his mediocre WL performances. I hope to god the best is not behind him.
On March 04 2010 10:33 Sentenal wrote: Bisu has had worse "slumps" than what he is in now. I believe. gogo can't beat Bisu twice with bio.
Wasn't that into SC gaming before, could've you point out what time did Bisu had his last big slump?
Actually, Bisu only had one huge slump that's worth mentioning. But it was pretty huge and lasted pretty damn long. It was after he lost to Mind in his third MSL final, and then lost in the OSL semifinal to bring only the bronze (if he had won both, he would have been labeled the fifth Bonjwa). Right after that, he started a mysterious slump when he failed to make out of his MSL group consisted of noobie players and continued onward from there. Best actually had to carry SKT in the proleague and was the SKT ace player. I think it was also around then that SKT completely lost its aura of invincibility as the proleague power house due to the decline of Boxer/Iloveoov combo. Bisu and JulyZerg, big names that SKT bought in, did not improve their proleague record. It more or less led to the former-coach of SKT being fired and the new head coach brought in, who did some magic voodoo and made everything better again.
Then Bisu reemerged like almost a year later, finally won his third MSL title against Jangbi, started raping everybody again like a bonjwa. His final requirement that he needed before getting the "b" word was defeating Jaedong in the OSL final.
Then Fantasy 3-0 Bisu in the semi.
That's the end of Bisu's shot at the "b" word. Since then, his dominance is on a steady decline, to the point when we have to pray to Adun in order to ensure that Bisu makes out of this laughable qualification group.
wait, people really would've thought Bisu was a bonjwa if he won the OSL after 2 and a half seasons of slumping?
On March 04 2010 10:33 Sentenal wrote: Bisu has had worse "slumps" than what he is in now. I believe. gogo can't beat Bisu twice with bio.
Wasn't that into SC gaming before, could've you point out what time did Bisu had his last big slump?
Actually, Bisu only had one huge slump that's worth mentioning. But it was pretty huge and lasted pretty damn long. It was after he lost to Mind in his third MSL final, and then lost in the OSL semifinal to bring only the bronze (if he had won both, he would have been labeled the fifth Bonjwa). Right after that, he started a mysterious slump when he failed to make out of his MSL group consisted of noobie players and continued onward from there. Best actually had to carry SKT in the proleague and was the SKT ace player. I think it was also around then that SKT completely lost its aura of invincibility as the proleague power house due to the decline of Boxer/Iloveoov combo. Bisu and JulyZerg, big names that SKT bought in, did not improve their proleague record. It more or less led to the former-coach of SKT being fired and the new head coach brought in, who did some magic voodoo and made everything better again.
Then Bisu reemerged like almost a year later, finally won his third MSL title against Jangbi, started raping everybody again like a bonjwa. His final requirement that he needed before getting the "b" word was defeating Jaedong in the OSL final.
Then Fantasy 3-0 Bisu in the semi.
That's the end of Bisu's shot at the "b" word. Since then, his dominance is on a steady decline, to the point when we have to pray to Adun in order to ensure that Bisu makes out of this laughable qualification group.
wait, people really would've thought Bisu was a bonjwa if he won the OSL after 2 and a half seasons of slumping?
He would've won MSL, OSL and GOM, not to mention he had a 80% win rate in proleague. Damn impressive. Not to mention in the past the bonjwas followed a trend of winning 3 MSLs, then winning an OSL. Bisu looked to follow that, until Fantasy schooled him -_-
On March 05 2010 05:33 Tempest[OEC] wrote: Bisu-Stork-Jaedong-Flash Semifinals would be so epic. But IMO if Bisu can pick up his PvZ just a little more (and advance through this group lol), a Bisu vs Jaedong finals would be just as epic as Jaedong/Flash or Stork/Flash final.
What? Jaedong is so much better than Bisu is right now a finals between them would be a one sided rape.
Though Stork/Bisu have produced some really amazing PvP's in their own right.
Id have to disagree. Jaedong definitely hasnt been playing his best in WL (not pulling out the s-word). Neither has Bisu but he pulls off several games and his losses were not one-sided rapes either. But I guess a Stork/Jaedong finals would be better? Lol. I want to see a PvZ final in the OSL. Stork and Bisu seem to have the highest chance imo.
The important thing to look at is not result. Calm played like crap in so many of his games but he won anyway because his opponents were worse.
Zero lost so many games not long time ago, but he played amazing in all of them. I'd rate Zero as a far better player.
Although Jaedong's WL performance is lacklustering comparing to last year, his skill level has not decreased from what I have seen. The problem is, JvZ is no longer an imba match up. Unlike Flash, Jaedong is very vulnerable to sniping. The same applied to Effort, who got frustrated when he kept on getting sniped in WL due to ZvZ.
even if bisu somehow manages to get past modesty he will get raped by any sort of timing push by go.go. go.go is the best player in this group anyways.
I believe in the Legendary Protoss! I know he's had some dissapointing performances but I definately don't think he's fallen from his perch as a champion contender. Still deciding whether or not to stay up n watch the games or not.. Bisu's the only one i'd do it for!
On March 04 2010 10:33 Sentenal wrote: Bisu has had worse "slumps" than what he is in now. I believe. gogo can't beat Bisu twice with bio.
Wasn't that into SC gaming before, could've you point out what time did Bisu had his last big slump?
Actually, Bisu only had one huge slump that's worth mentioning. But it was pretty huge and lasted pretty damn long. It was after he lost to Mind in his third MSL final, and then lost in the OSL semifinal to bring only the bronze (if he had won both, he would have been labeled the fifth Bonjwa). Right after that, he started a mysterious slump when he failed to make out of his MSL group consisted of noobie players and continued onward from there. Best actually had to carry SKT in the proleague and was the SKT ace player. I think it was also around then that SKT completely lost its aura of invincibility as the proleague power house due to the decline of Boxer/Iloveoov combo. Bisu and JulyZerg, big names that SKT bought in, did not improve their proleague record. It more or less led to the former-coach of SKT being fired and the new head coach brought in, who did some magic voodoo and made everything better again.
Then Bisu reemerged like almost a year later, finally won his third MSL title against Jangbi, started raping everybody again like a bonjwa. His final requirement that he needed before getting the "b" word was defeating Jaedong in the OSL final.
Then Fantasy 3-0 Bisu in the semi.
That's the end of Bisu's shot at the "b" word. Since then, his dominance is on a steady decline, to the point when we have to pray to Adun in order to ensure that Bisu makes out of this laughable qualification group.
wait, people really would've thought Bisu was a bonjwa if he won the OSL after 2 and a half seasons of slumping?
He would've won MSL, OSL and GOM, not to mention he had a 80% win rate in proleague. Damn impressive. Not to mention in the past the bonjwas followed a trend of winning 3 MSLs, then winning an OSL. Bisu looked to follow that, until Fantasy schooled him -_-
yeah, only his third MSL win came 3 seasons after his second one.
I mean Bisu is great and all but I think it's maniacal to think if he had won that OSL he would've been some Protoss Bonjwa. 2 back to back title runs is cool and all but not when they're separated by nearly 2 years. I mean hell, Bonjwas had a habit of dominating as long as it took Bisu to dominate, slump, and almost dominate again.
Modesty is an abysmal 36% lifetime ZvPer facing off against arguably the best PvZer of all time who just happened to destroy him in the midst of a slump a couple weeks back. I don't see why people are picking Bisu to drop a set to Modesty.
On March 05 2010 05:33 Tempest[OEC] wrote: Bisu-Stork-Jaedong-Flash Semifinals would be so epic. But IMO if Bisu can pick up his PvZ just a little more (and advance through this group lol), a Bisu vs Jaedong finals would be just as epic as Jaedong/Flash or Stork/Flash final.
What? Jaedong is so much better than Bisu is right now a finals between them would be a one sided rape.
Though Stork/Bisu have produced some really amazing PvP's in their own right.
Id have to disagree. Jaedong definitely hasnt been playing his best in WL (not pulling out the s-word). Neither has Bisu but he pulls off several games and his losses were not one-sided rapes either. But I guess a Stork/Jaedong finals would be better? Lol. I want to see a PvZ final in the OSL. Stork and Bisu seem to have the highest chance imo.
The important thing to look at is not result. Calm played like crap in so many of his games but he won anyway because his opponents were worse.
Zero lost so many games not long time ago, but he played amazing in all of them. I'd rate Zero as a far better player.
Although Jaedong's WL performance is lacklustering comparing to last year, his skill level has not decreased from what I have seen. The problem is, JvZ is no longer an imba match up. Unlike Flash, Jaedong is very vulnerable to sniping. The same applied to Effort, who got frustrated when he kept on getting sniped in WL due to ZvZ.
The man speaks truth!! That's why Calm hasn't been on the PR in a while lol
On March 04 2010 10:33 Sentenal wrote: Bisu has had worse "slumps" than what he is in now. I believe. gogo can't beat Bisu twice with bio.
Wasn't that into SC gaming before, could've you point out what time did Bisu had his last big slump?
Actually, Bisu only had one huge slump that's worth mentioning. But it was pretty huge and lasted pretty damn long. It was after he lost to Mind in his third MSL final, and then lost in the OSL semifinal to bring only the bronze (if he had won both, he would have been labeled the fifth Bonjwa). Right after that, he started a mysterious slump when he failed to make out of his MSL group consisted of noobie players and continued onward from there. Best actually had to carry SKT in the proleague and was the SKT ace player. I think it was also around then that SKT completely lost its aura of invincibility as the proleague power house due to the decline of Boxer/Iloveoov combo. Bisu and JulyZerg, big names that SKT bought in, did not improve their proleague record. It more or less led to the former-coach of SKT being fired and the new head coach brought in, who did some magic voodoo and made everything better again.
Then Bisu reemerged like almost a year later, finally won his third MSL title against Jangbi, started raping everybody again like a bonjwa. His final requirement that he needed before getting the "b" word was defeating Jaedong in the OSL final.
Then Fantasy 3-0 Bisu in the semi.
That's the end of Bisu's shot at the "b" word. Since then, his dominance is on a steady decline, to the point when we have to pray to Adun in order to ensure that Bisu makes out of this laughable qualification group.
wait, people really would've thought Bisu was a bonjwa if he won the OSL after 2 and a half seasons of slumping?
He would've won MSL, OSL and GOM, not to mention he had a 80% win rate in proleague. Damn impressive. Not to mention in the past the bonjwas followed a trend of winning 3 MSLs, then winning an OSL. Bisu looked to follow that, until Fantasy schooled him -_-
yeah, only his third MSL win came 3 seasons after his second one.
I mean Bisu is great and all but I think it's maniacal to think if he had won that OSL he would've been some Protoss Bonjwa. 2 back to back title runs is cool and all but not when they're separated by nearly 2 years. I mean hell, Bonjwas had a habit of dominating as long as it took Bisu to dominate, slump, and almost dominate again.
Winning all three individual leagues simultaneously plus dominating proleague doesnt qualify for the b-word? That time is long past though, hopefully he doesnt embarrass himself again.
Bisu is still one of the most talented Brood War players in the scene right now, and that hasn't changed. People predicting Modesty of all people to beat him are crazy. But I guess crazier things have happened, but its just not very likely.
On March 05 2010 17:44 NovaTheFeared wrote: This is just the kind of powerhouse group that Bisu will have trouble overcoming.
Haha... Sad, but true. I think Bisu is the only person out of Lee-Ssang-Taek-Bang that got a proven track record of losing to no namers?
I remember when I first started following the pro-scene, Bisu and Jaedong were the hottest two. The thing that I remember the most about Bisu is that his record book seemed messed up to me. He defeats strong players ezpz, yet he always drop couple of games to low level players every month, while Jaedong doesn't do that.
Stork nowadays has a tendency to play great games against top tier gamers, and play really poorly against no namers. Him and Bisu make a living outta doing such things. However, as of recent, Stork's been a lot more stable than Bisu has been.
On March 04 2010 10:33 Sentenal wrote: Bisu has had worse "slumps" than what he is in now. I believe. gogo can't beat Bisu twice with bio.
Wasn't that into SC gaming before, could've you point out what time did Bisu had his last big slump?
Actually, Bisu only had one huge slump that's worth mentioning. But it was pretty huge and lasted pretty damn long. It was after he lost to Mind in his third MSL final, and then lost in the OSL semifinal to bring only the bronze (if he had won both, he would have been labeled the fifth Bonjwa). Right after that, he started a mysterious slump when he failed to make out of his MSL group consisted of noobie players and continued onward from there. Best actually had to carry SKT in the proleague and was the SKT ace player. I think it was also around then that SKT completely lost its aura of invincibility as the proleague power house due to the decline of Boxer/Iloveoov combo. Bisu and JulyZerg, big names that SKT bought in, did not improve their proleague record. It more or less led to the former-coach of SKT being fired and the new head coach brought in, who did some magic voodoo and made everything better again.
Then Bisu reemerged like almost a year later, finally won his third MSL title against Jangbi, started raping everybody again like a bonjwa. His final requirement that he needed before getting the "b" word was defeating Jaedong in the OSL final.
Then Fantasy 3-0 Bisu in the semi.
That's the end of Bisu's shot at the "b" word. Since then, his dominance is on a steady decline, to the point when we have to pray to Adun in order to ensure that Bisu makes out of this laughable qualification group.
wait, people really would've thought Bisu was a bonjwa if he won the OSL after 2 and a half seasons of slumping?
He would've won MSL, OSL and GOM, not to mention he had a 80% win rate in proleague. Damn impressive. Not to mention in the past the bonjwas followed a trend of winning 3 MSLs, then winning an OSL. Bisu looked to follow that, until Fantasy schooled him -_-
yeah, only his third MSL win came 3 seasons after his second one.
I mean Bisu is great and all but I think it's maniacal to think if he had won that OSL he would've been some Protoss Bonjwa. 2 back to back title runs is cool and all but not when they're separated by nearly 2 years. I mean hell, Bonjwas had a habit of dominating as long as it took Bisu to dominate, slump, and almost dominate again.
Winning all three individual leagues simultaneously plus dominating proleague doesnt qualify for the b-word?
I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. Clubday -- his third MSL -- was a season prior to the OSL that Fantasy knocked him out of. Bisu was never close to winning both titles in one season. The person who won the MSL next to Jaedong's defeat of Fantasy was Luxury over Jangbi.
Thus my phrasing, back-to-back titles. And also why it would be 2 years and not like 1 and 3/4ths, as that particular OSL ended after march 3rd 09.
I mean, when he lost to Fantasy in the OSL was the same season he got kicked out of the MSL in an all zerg group of his own choosing (Remember, the one with savior?) -- possibly Bisu's biggest blunder
On March 04 2010 10:33 Sentenal wrote: Bisu has had worse "slumps" than what he is in now. I believe. gogo can't beat Bisu twice with bio.
Wasn't that into SC gaming before, could've you point out what time did Bisu had his last big slump?
Actually, Bisu only had one huge slump that's worth mentioning. But it was pretty huge and lasted pretty damn long. It was after he lost to Mind in his third MSL final, and then lost in the OSL semifinal to bring only the bronze (if he had won both, he would have been labeled the fifth Bonjwa). Right after that, he started a mysterious slump when he failed to make out of his MSL group consisted of noobie players and continued onward from there. Best actually had to carry SKT in the proleague and was the SKT ace player. I think it was also around then that SKT completely lost its aura of invincibility as the proleague power house due to the decline of Boxer/Iloveoov combo. Bisu and JulyZerg, big names that SKT bought in, did not improve their proleague record. It more or less led to the former-coach of SKT being fired and the new head coach brought in, who did some magic voodoo and made everything better again.
Then Bisu reemerged like almost a year later, finally won his third MSL title against Jangbi, started raping everybody again like a bonjwa. His final requirement that he needed before getting the "b" word was defeating Jaedong in the OSL final.
Then Fantasy 3-0 Bisu in the semi.
That's the end of Bisu's shot at the "b" word. Since then, his dominance is on a steady decline, to the point when we have to pray to Adun in order to ensure that Bisu makes out of this laughable qualification group.
wait, people really would've thought Bisu was a bonjwa if he won the OSL after 2 and a half seasons of slumping?
He would've won MSL, OSL and GOM, not to mention he had a 80% win rate in proleague. Damn impressive. Not to mention in the past the bonjwas followed a trend of winning 3 MSLs, then winning an OSL. Bisu looked to follow that, until Fantasy schooled him -_-
yeah, only his third MSL win came 3 seasons after his second one.
I mean Bisu is great and all but I think it's maniacal to think if he had won that OSL he would've been some Protoss Bonjwa. 2 back to back title runs is cool and all but not when they're separated by nearly 2 years. I mean hell, Bonjwas had a habit of dominating as long as it took Bisu to dominate, slump, and almost dominate again.
Winning all three individual leagues simultaneously plus dominating proleague doesnt qualify for the b-word?
I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. Clubday -- his third MSL -- was a season prior to the OSL that Fantasy knocked him out of. Bisu was never close to winning both titles in one season. The person who won the MSL next to Jaedong's defeat of Fantasy was Luxury over Jangbi.
Thus my phrasing, back-to-back titles. And also why it would be 2 years and not like 1 and 3/4ths, as that particular OSL ended after march 3rd 09.
meh, i quoted someone else trusting that he knew what he was talking about. probably should self-research before trusting people on the internet.
On March 04 2010 10:33 Sentenal wrote: Bisu has had worse "slumps" than what he is in now. I believe. gogo can't beat Bisu twice with bio.
Wasn't that into SC gaming before, could've you point out what time did Bisu had his last big slump?
Actually, Bisu only had one huge slump that's worth mentioning. But it was pretty huge and lasted pretty damn long. It was after he lost to Mind in his third MSL final, and then lost in the OSL semifinal to bring only the bronze (if he had won both, he would have been labeled the fifth Bonjwa). Right after that, he started a mysterious slump when he failed to make out of his MSL group consisted of noobie players and continued onward from there. Best actually had to carry SKT in the proleague and was the SKT ace player. I think it was also around then that SKT completely lost its aura of invincibility as the proleague power house due to the decline of Boxer/Iloveoov combo. Bisu and JulyZerg, big names that SKT bought in, did not improve their proleague record. It more or less led to the former-coach of SKT being fired and the new head coach brought in, who did some magic voodoo and made everything better again.
Then Bisu reemerged like almost a year later, finally won his third MSL title against Jangbi, started raping everybody again like a bonjwa. His final requirement that he needed before getting the "b" word was defeating Jaedong in the OSL final.
Then Fantasy 3-0 Bisu in the semi.
That's the end of Bisu's shot at the "b" word. Since then, his dominance is on a steady decline, to the point when we have to pray to Adun in order to ensure that Bisu makes out of this laughable qualification group.
wait, people really would've thought Bisu was a bonjwa if he won the OSL after 2 and a half seasons of slumping?
He would've won MSL, OSL and GOM, not to mention he had a 80% win rate in proleague. Damn impressive. Not to mention in the past the bonjwas followed a trend of winning 3 MSLs, then winning an OSL. Bisu looked to follow that, until Fantasy schooled him -_-
yeah, only his third MSL win came 3 seasons after his second one.
I mean Bisu is great and all but I think it's maniacal to think if he had won that OSL he would've been some Protoss Bonjwa. 2 back to back title runs is cool and all but not when they're separated by nearly 2 years. I mean hell, Bonjwas had a habit of dominating as long as it took Bisu to dominate, slump, and almost dominate again.
Winning all three individual leagues simultaneously plus dominating proleague doesnt qualify for the b-word?
I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. Clubday -- his third MSL -- was a season prior to the OSL that Fantasy knocked him out of. Bisu was never close to winning both titles in one season. The person who won the MSL next to Jaedong's defeat of Fantasy was Luxury over Jangbi.
Thus my phrasing, back-to-back titles. And also why it would be 2 years and not like 1 and 3/4ths, as that particular OSL ended after march 3rd 09.
meh, i quoted someone else trusting that he knew what he was talking about. probably should self-research before trusting people on the internet.
Yeah, it's cool, but you can see where my skepticism on someone going "He would've been bonjwa if he won the osl!" when he gets kicked out of his self made group stages, and slumped half of his career between periods of domination that lasted exactly 2 seasons.
It is sad that both Stork and Bisu seem to do this. Atm Stork really could be the 3ed player next to Flash and Jaedong to dominate and win titles. But he keep losing games to weak players for some reason.
His brilliant play vs the top guys dont matter if he loses to noobs in the early stages of MSL and OSL.
Bisu throws down a pylon and Modesty's nat and cancels it at the last second, right as the drone shows up to put down the hatchery again. Bisu doesn't get his probe there fast enough to re-block.
On March 05 2010 18:41 purpose wrote: How is this working now? Sorry but I have no clue about the different groups and stages. If he lose, is he out, if he wins then what and so on?
If he loses this bo3 then he's out. If he wins, he faces go.go, and whoeever wins advances to the Ro16
On March 05 2010 18:41 purpose wrote: How is this working now? Sorry but I have no clue about the different groups and stages. If he lose, is he out, if he wins then what and so on?
The winner of this Bo3 goes on to play Go.go in a Bo3. The winner of that Bo3 will advance; everyone else is knocked out.
I don't know how "ninja" that 3rd was. Bisu blocked the 2nd with a pylon and saw the drone head out to a different location, and many zergs like to take a natural as their 3rd gas base, so that they have an easy-to-secure 4th base later in the game.
On March 05 2010 18:46 alffla wrote: NICCEEEEEEE GOON TIMING ATTACK
Meh, it's basically the Protoss equivalent of a three hatch hydra. The stargate cancel is cute, but the whole thing is pretty all-inish. If the goons fail, the toss gets rolled by mutas.
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote: bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs
I don't know if Bisu was planning that cheese to begin with. I think what happened is that he saw Modesty sacrifice an overlord to make sure that the stargate was going up at normal timing (which it was). When Bisu killed the OL, he figured (correctly) that Modesty would assume he was playing standard, and then on the spot decided to cancel the stargate and use that to his advantage by putting down 4 more gateways. At least, that's my reading of what happened there.
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote: bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs
I don't know if Bisu was planning that cheese to begin with. I think what happened is that he saw Modesty sacrifice an overlord to make sure that the stargate was going up at normal timing (which it was). When Bisu killed the OL, he figured (correctly) that Modesty would assume he was playing standard, and then on the spot decided to cancel the stargate and use that to his advantage by putting down 4 more gateways. At least, that's my reading of what happened there.
On March 05 2010 18:48 snotboogie wrote: Looks like Bisu utilising the Stork Build we saw last night?
Yeah that's what I was just thinking too. Some very sexy stuff, really hard to predict b/c protoss can still get stargate, goon range, without being scouted if they are careful.
I really don't like the Korean Air intro.. mediocre CG with just 1 progamer
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote: bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs
That wasn't cheese.
5 Gate goon timing attack is cheese. You cut tech, eco and push out with dragoons. If it's scouted properly then the Zerg just masses lings and destroys the goons. Then mass hydra and break the natural because there will be no Templar tech or Reavers to defend. It's very much all-in. Definitely the Protoss equivalent of 3 hatch hydra.
yeah i know, i was just saying that the goon pump is as all-in as any of those. if they stop the push P has no tech and zerg just has to make a bunch of hydras
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote: bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs
That wasn't cheese.
5 Gate goon timing attack is cheese. You cut tech, eco and push out with dragoons. If it's scouted properly then the Zerg just masses lings and destroys the goons. Then mass hydra and break the natural because there will be no Templar tech or Reavers to defend. It's very much all-in. Definitely the Protoss equivalent of 3 hatch hydra.
are you serious? 3 hatch hydra or a 5 gate timing aren't cheese, they're called timing attacks, and in the case of Bisu's 5 gate timing it isn't even all-in.
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote: bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs
That wasn't cheese.
5 Gate goon timing attack is cheese. You cut tech, eco and push out with dragoons. If it's scouted properly then the Zerg just masses lings and destroys the goons. Then mass hydra and break the natural because there will be no Templar tech or Reavers to defend. It's very much all-in. Definitely the Protoss equivalent of 3 hatch hydra.
are you serious? 3 hatch hydra or a 5 gate timing aren't cheese, they're called timing attacks, and in the case of Bisu's 5 gate timing it isn't even all-in.
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote: bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs
That wasn't cheese.
5 Gate goon timing attack is cheese. You cut tech, eco and push out with dragoons. If it's scouted properly then the Zerg just masses lings and destroys the goons. Then mass hydra and break the natural because there will be no Templar tech or Reavers to defend. It's very much all-in. Definitely the Protoss equivalent of 3 hatch hydra.
are you serious? 3 hatch hydra or a 5 gate timing aren't cheese, they're called timing attacks, and in the case of Bisu's 5 gate timing it isn't even all-in.
Interestingly, Modesty takes his 3rd at 9:00 instead of the more popular bottom-left natural. Perhaps he's feeling nervous about defending his bases against early aggression after that last game.
If you listen to terrans, the only strat protoss have is chees. Or at least whent hey beat a terran, then its chees, or at least lame as gay toss luck.
Terran on the other hand dont have chees, they only have uber pro strats, executed to perfection.
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote: bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs
I wouldn't consider that cheese... just a timing attack, and a good one at that
If 5 gate goon isn't cheese then protoss doesn't have any cheese builds
It's not cheese, it's just a rather all-in attack that has to do damage, otherwise the Protoss lacks the tech and econ to stop the counter. Like a three hatch hydra build for Zergs.
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote: bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs
I wouldn't consider that cheese... just a timing attack, and a good one at that
If 5 gate goon isn't cheese then protoss doesn't have any cheese builds
It's hard to cheese with a defensive fast expand build. Cheese builds are usually 1-base. (Two base for Zerg because you need two hatcheries to do anything anyways, but often without enough drones to actually run two bases.)
Goon rushes and 5gate speedzeal + 2 stargate corsair are the cheesiest Forge FE plays I'm aware of (maybe that zealot/DT rush), although of course you could forge FE and then proxy a pile of gateways if you want. Protoss has to pressure at some point, but can sacrifice tech/econ to make that pressure earlier and scarier. The more that's cut, the more all-in and therefore the 'cheesier' the play is.
If i may for reference this helped me a lot the first time i discovered teamliquid :
Taken from the definition thread
Cheese - Difficult to define. Generally a strategy that will immediately result in a loss if scouted or defended. Examples are proxy buildings and Cannon rushes.
8 zlots distract modesty for a while, pick off some hydras, make that MOST of the hydras. Modesty switches to mutas so Bisu changes 4 templar into archons
Oh, nice play by Modesty. Takes out a few of Bisu's sairs with scourge and muta play. Battle going down in the middle now with hydras vs protoss ball.
Well, more like potshots. Still waiting for the battle. Modesty moving toward the natural with probably 2 control groups of hydras! Good storm by Bisu!
storm repels the attempted hydra break. phew, no more early/midgame loses to mass-muta/hydra. Bisu has secured his fourth and obs are out as the lurk contain starts
Once again snipes two templars but this time pays a heavy price in hydralisks for it. Bisu tries tou counter push back out but there are too many lurkers and hydra reinforcements coming in.
Lurker contain being set up, but storm is ravaging Zerg. Modesty snipes the observer. Hydras try busting in again but are forced to retreat from goon/cannon.
2 hydras suicide, but a zlot dies as well getting drawin into the ball. shuttle out for Bisu, Templar getting sniped by hydras. MAIN IS EMPTY SPIRE GETS SNIPED
Oh wow Modesty picks off three templar by moving hydras in. Who needs muta templar snipes?
Bisu drops 3 zealots into Modesty's main and snipes the spire, then his shuttle gets picked off in the nat by scourge and the templar dies to lings before it can storm the drones.
4 zlots dropped into the 5th base, its EMPTY 1 sunken at the fourth, looks like it'll delay the zlots long enough for lings to arrive. Bisu still cant break teh lurk contain nvm, lag into him breaking out
those 4 zealots doing a lot of damage in bottom base and nat. The contain is looking a little weak while Z sends some zerglings down to clean up those zealots, and Bisu breaks it
Hive finally going for Modesty. Bisu's broken the contain. Protoss death ball pushing toward Modesty's nat! ANOTHER observer gets sniped. Battle going on outside Modesty's nat! Goons are on the creep now.
Modesty with a cute lurker drop in Bisu's 3rd, has 14 probe kills. Modesty going for a counter ling rush to the 12:00 expansion, but there are too many probes and cannons for him.
Now the hive is under attack. Looks like Modesty is going to lose ALL his tech.
A single lurker has stopped Bisu's third @ 3 from mining by burrowing behind the mineral patches. Zerglings attempt to stream up to assault 12 but are repelled by cannons, though they content themselves with killing a few zealots.
Lings attack 3! But are killed. The offending lurker FINALLY dies.
On March 05 2010 19:16 QuothTheRaven wrote: Bisu looked pretty sloppy that game (especially with his templars) but at least he managed to pull through.
They were both sloppy. Modesty did set up a good contain and he sniped HTs, but he lost a ton of hydras doing that, which kind of defeats the purpose. Bisu did well to break the contain before Modesty's extra bases could kick in.
Bisu has great composure, stayed calm with his multitasking and poked out of the contain at the right times. Modesty made a few micro mistakes but his HT snipes were so good especially the first 3
haha I just remembered that revenge game where Best built a crap load of pylons saying bug and go.go wasn't allowed to gg out of the game until Best let him.
On March 05 2010 19:19 NguN wrote: haha I just remembered that revenge game where Best built a crap load of pylons saying bug and go.go wasn't allowed to gg out of the game until Best let him.
On March 05 2010 19:19 NguN wrote: haha I just remembered that revenge game where Best built a crap load of pylons saying bug and go.go wasn't allowed to gg out of the game until Best let him.
On March 05 2010 19:19 SkelA wrote: i say better bisu to cheese cuz he really sucks pvt late game remember games vs light and iris he is just totaly bad in late game pvt
he played pretty well against Flash O.o but yea, I think his worst loses in 09/10 were against T. always gets caught off guard with timing pushes.
On March 05 2010 19:19 NguN wrote: haha I just remembered that revenge game where Best built a crap load of pylons saying bug and go.go wasn't allowed to gg out of the game until Best let him.
On March 05 2010 19:19 NguN wrote: haha I just remembered that revenge game where Best built a crap load of pylons saying bug and go.go wasn't allowed to gg out of the game until Best let him.
What?
he means Best
Yea but I just dont know what he is talking about? What game ws that and what bug made go.go not being allowed to gg out?
On March 05 2010 19:19 NguN wrote: haha I just remembered that revenge game where Best built a crap load of pylons saying bug and go.go wasn't allowed to gg out of the game until Best let him.
What?
he means Best
Yea but I just dont know what he is talking about? What game ws that and what bug made go.go not being allowed to gg out?
On March 05 2010 19:19 NguN wrote: haha I just remembered that revenge game where Best built a crap load of pylons saying bug and go.go wasn't allowed to gg out of the game until Best let him.
What?
he means Best
Yea but I just dont know what he is talking about? What game ws that and what bug made go.go not being allowed to gg out?
yeah i misread his post, it was a revenge match because go.go had bm cc'd Best i think and one of the rules of the revenge match was that the winner must type "gg"
On March 05 2010 19:19 NguN wrote: haha I just remembered that revenge game where Best built a crap load of pylons saying bug and go.go wasn't allowed to gg out of the game until Best let him.
What?
he means Best
Yea but I just dont know what he is talking about? What game ws that and what bug made go.go not being allowed to gg out?
yeah i misread his post, it was a revenge match because go.go had bm cc'd Best i think and one of the rules of the revenge match was that the winner must type "gg"
Ahh ok then I am in. I dont watch that much sc games tbh so I am always clueless when it comes to talk about old games.
On March 05 2010 19:32 Zona wrote: Bisu with impeccable pylon placement - go.go already at a tremendous disadvantage for breathing the same air as the revolutionist.
On March 05 2010 19:32 Zona wrote: Bisu with impeccable pylon placement - go.go already at a tremendous disadvantage for breathing the same air as the revolutionist.
Bisu scouts go.go 2nd and immediately sends his zealot there, but because he didn't scout him first the bunker will be up in time and there's an SCV ready to block the ramp.
goon range for bisu bisu brilliantly denies go.go entry into his base with his zealot - then relents and lets the scv in - just to allow it to glimpse the pain ahead for go.go!
go.go builds a bunker at his nat, coward that he is with his greedy opening!
Zealot driven away by bunker. Goon trying to finish off SCV. Bisu starts his natural nexus, range spinning. Goons camped outside of go.go's nat, probably just waiting those few seconds for range to finish to start hitting bunker.
On March 05 2010 19:35 Zona wrote: goon range for bisu bisu brilliantly denies go.go entry into his base with his zealot - then relents and lets the scv in - just to allow it to glimpse the pain ahead for go.go!
go.go builds a bunker at his nat, coward that he is with his greedy opening!
Three goons are hammering at the bunker now while go.go tries to repair it with three SCVs. Tank out! Bunker's going to hold... well if go.go doesn't fail.
wow BO rape. 3 CC at this map with protected expo, then wraith to hard-counter the shuttle and goons Bisu going for arbs and his third base at the same time
OUCH. Goons run into mines, and Bisu loses a zealot, goons, and takes damage on a few more dragoons. And yet ANOTHER observer goes down. Sloppy by Bisu.
CC at 6 is lifted, but the two remaining goons will be cleared out. Bisu's gotten his expansion up at 8:30, and there's a single vulture down below waiting. Drop again on 1:30, Bisu counter-dropping.
not enough goons to kill CC, tank drop taking out Bisu's min only at upper right, Bisu finally clears it out, saves the nex, BARELY ABORTS A RECALL, 4 HP. a ton of mines there so good thing he did
Bisu flies an arbiter in to recall, but tanks/mines/turrets/sci vessel are already in position and he changes his mind. Arbiter flies out in low red life, no way that'll get off a recall over turrets in the future.
Wow, another arbiter almost dies to turrets... Bisu must keep thinking it's a mothership or something, seriously. go.go's pretty much got the map favourably split for him right now.
gogo's army reaches 1 - killing a ton of probes there dt's and zealots heading towards 3 - but tons of mines there and turrets with tanks totally put an end to that gogo sieging up 1!
god this game epitomizes everything i hate about Terran. Turtle behind wall of turrets, tanks, and mines until you have enough units to a-move over your opponent.
On March 05 2010 19:51 Chen wrote: god this game epitomizes everything i hate about Terran. Turtle behind wall of turrets, tanks, and mines until you have enough units to a-move over your opponent.
Remember that Terran cant be lame, its only protoss that is lame and gay.
To be serious, mines can be so freaking frustraiting.
Well Bisu is out me think, just a shame but the guy is just not good enough.
Normally, Terran can't take a very fast third and get a starport and wraith for guaranteed immunity to shuttle harass and perform his own harass and defend impenetrably with only one factory. Nor can Terran take a fast fourth and fifth off very few bases.
On March 05 2010 19:52 baller wrote: lol @ all the ppl crying imba
really? tvp imba? rofl
hey retard, you are the first person to use the word imba in the entire thread. We're calling the turtle style gay and boring. NO ONE has called it imba >.>
On March 05 2010 19:51 Chen wrote: god this game epitomizes everything i hate about Terran. Turtle behind wall of turrets, tanks, and mines until you have enough units to a-move over your opponent.
Well with the way the game is designed, that's the best way to play. go.go prepared very well for this game.
the 1 rax cc was vulnerable, but bisu's oft-used 1 gate expo couldn't damage it quickly enough, and having a wraith ready at the right time to stop the reaverdrop really put him ahead.
wow - go.go's apm a lot higher than bisu's in both average/peak? is bisu sick?
On March 05 2010 19:52 baller wrote: lol @ all the ppl crying imba
really? tvp imba? rofl
hey retard, you are the first person to use the word imba in the entire thread. We're calling the turtle style gay and boring. NO ONE has called it imba >.>
Whoa, calm down man. No need to fly off the handle, you certainly seemed to be insinuating that what gogo did was imbalanced.
On March 05 2010 19:52 baller wrote: lol @ all the ppl crying imba
really? tvp imba? rofl
hey retard, you are the first person to use the word imba in the entire thread. We're calling the turtle style gay and boring. NO ONE has called it imba >.>
i personally love the turtle style and that last game was perfect
dunno why u gotta Q.Q
bisu elimination just a phooooooooooone calllll away
On March 05 2010 19:54 Severedevil wrote: Normally, Terran can't take a very fast third and get a starport and wraith for guaranteed immunity to shuttle harass and perform his own harass and defend impenetrably with only one factory. Nor can Terran take a fast fourth and fifth off very few bases.
Luckily, the mapmakers solved that problem.
Is this for real? Do you realize that you sound like the stereotypical Bisu apologist? MAPS IMBAAAW
On March 05 2010 19:55 okum wrote: Bisu was pretty much screwed as soon as he lost his shuttle+reaver without doing any damage.
Yeah, that allowed the already super greedy go.go to be even greedier and take a ridiculous number of expansions while still pumping fast upgrades from 2 armories.
On March 05 2010 19:57 Redshirt wrote: Yeah to be honest, I was expecting a CC in the natural when Go.go crushed Bisu's army and was pretty disappointed I didn't get it.
maybe go.go figured the negative karma that resulted from the last time he did that and stopoped?
Bisu the amazing toss at 11 go.go the decent terran at 7
On March 05 2010 19:55 SkelA wrote: yep go.go played flawlessly this game similar to flash had bo, expo , harras , army , ugprade advantages bisu didnt stand a chance
Not really, he turtled way too long and didn't take advantage of the early 3rd expansion. He didn't harass enough either. Bisu should of saved his units and done nothing other then expand and macro up.
Bisu's pylon placement a little lower, less to the right of the Nexus - he's making adjustments to from learning from the first game go.go still building his depot behind the lowest mineral on his mineral line
Tank out for go.go. Sigh saaaaaaaaaame game. Oh except for Ebay and a turret are up already for go.go. Support bay warping for Bisu. Turrets are lined along go.go's base perimeter.
On March 05 2010 20:00 baller wrote: its okay though, bisu fans can always hold onto that one OSL that bisu won, as long as he won one everything from now on is ok
Bisu trying again down south at the natural. Driven away again. Tanks pwn a goon. Four factories out for go.go. Timing push (I think I heard the commentators say?)
On March 05 2010 20:00 baller wrote: its okay though, bisu fans can always hold onto that one OSL that bisu won, as long as he won one everything from now on is ok
On March 05 2010 20:00 baller wrote: its okay though, bisu fans can always hold onto that one OSL that bisu won, as long as he won one everything from now on is ok
Marines preventing shuttle from harassing, nice by go.go. Still pushing upward. Bisu is spreading his units. Moves in! OUCH. Unloads reaver, gets ONE shot off. Then loads... then turret kills shuttle. Still, Bisu is victorious! And then mines get the rest of his units.
Bisu pulls back with a bit of his army, think he came out ahead there.
Vultures zooming around planting mines. Bisu has a group of goons plus obs out just mauling things. Mines are being cleaned up. The vulture squadron runs.
Go.go's trying to secure that 3rd, but Bisu's being very proactive about denying the position so tanks can't get setup / turrets build / depots walling
oops - go.go lands his cc at 9 among the crowd of goons - and he doesn't know there's a dt there - he, go.go scans - the cc sniped - go.go looks flustered!
CC at 9 going to get sniped? Lifted... tanks shelling goons from below... CC going to live, repaired into green by SCV. JUST KIDDING IT STOPS FLYING. BOOM GOES THE CC. Bisu retreats his goons.
On March 05 2010 20:09 TheAntZ wrote: Bisu MAY win this but good god he definitely wont deserve it if he does
What did Bisu do that was bad? He got a shuttle and distracted go.go/forced turrets to delay the push while he quickly too his third. go.go's push was too late, either as a consequence or because go.go is bad, and now Bisu has an unbeatable lead.
Darn was hoping to make it to 999 posts tonight, guess that'll have to wait. Bedtime awaits. Good luck Bisu on game three, I hope to see you advance when I get up in...
I'm not exactly sure what went wrong with go.go's first push, kinda missed it, only saw it getting cleaned up. Generally tho, I think an earlyish (6fact?) push is the right idea on these positions.
On March 05 2010 20:15 FireGuyX wrote: Eye of the Storm is a heavily favored PvT map. The only way Terran can win on that map is cheese or early aggression
yea I'm pretty sure that's the map where Movie hid carriers from Flash and took a game off him in the finals
On March 05 2010 20:15 Nikon wrote: I'm not exactly sure what went wrong with go.go's first push, kinda missed it, only saw it getting cleaned up. Generally tho, I think an earlyish (6fact?) push is the right idea on these positions.
He got caught unsieged if I remember. That and he delayed his push a lot by building turrents in his base to block the Reaver. Bisu instead used the Reaver as a threat, he never actually unloaded it to harass at all. This all slowed down go.go till Bisu got Legs and macroing off 3 base.
On March 05 2010 20:15 FireGuyX wrote: Eye of the Storm is a heavily favored PvT map. The only way Terran can win on that map is cheese or early aggression
yea I'm pretty sure that's the map where Movie hid carriers from Flash and took a game off him in the finals
Yeah Flash tried turtling on this map and it failed. Bisu can just play standard and he'll be fine especially since it's cross positions. I expect harassment from Bisu and mass expansions.
bisu with another adjustment to his pylon placement - directly below the right edge of his nexus this time. it's his signal that go.go will be RAPED! first gate goes down
go.go with a depot and rax at his main choke - not a wall
go.go picks off a goon but at the cost of most of his marines and expending his vulture's mines. bisu adding a reaver and an expansion--highly unlikely this 2fact will do anything.
Bisu loses a goon and 1/2 health on another to kill all of go.go's marines. Reaver and expo coming for Bisu. gogo has 3 tanks, 3 vults with spent mines, and 1 marine. he starts his push
SHUTTLE MISSES THE PUSH, BISU HAS ALMOST NOTHING AT HOME TO DEFEND. BISU ABANDONS NAT AND GOS TO TRY TO KILL GO.GO'S MAIN. MOST OF THE SCV'S ARE DEAD REAVER TAKES A MINE, LOW HP
Tanks camped outside of gateways! Vultures taking out more probes! Two spawned goons die to mines and tank shells. Bisu: "ffffffffffuuuuuu." Another reaver out! But is it too late? BOTH GATEWAYS DOWN. REAVER DOWN REAVER DOWN.
Bisu really needs that shuttle to get back quickly. shit i dont think he can with this even with the shuttle. ONE TANK GOES DOWN. REAVER GOES DOWN FUCKFUCKFUCK
On March 04 2010 14:48 damenmofa wrote: Uh I might actually get up for this and watch it despite playing sc2 beta. It just fills me with satisfaction to see bisu crash over and over again and taste the sweat tears of his weeping fanboys.
Now you darned bisu lovers know how us savior fanboys feel. We both now know what it feels like to know our respective idols will never win anything again (apart from random PL matches)
On March 05 2010 20:29 The_Australian wrote: Now you darned bisu lovers know how us savior fanboys feel. We both now know what it feels like to know our respective idols will never win anything again (apart from random PL matches)
Man that's just so brutal for Bisu fans. I said it once as a joke but shit, if Flash was getting knocked out by people like go.go and struggling against others in prelims/ro36/32 stuff I would be seriously sad.
On March 05 2010 20:29 KizZBG wrote: oh no why did go.go win. Now we're gonna get drowned in the tears of Bisu fanboys lol.
They are pretty used to it by now. It's sad T_T. I hoped Bisu made it to the OSL. I used to be an antifan but after his fails vs Guemchi/Bogus/Shine last season and his mass PL lols I started to pity him . We need a protoss hero and no toss has it right now
On March 05 2010 20:29 QuothTheRaven wrote: I find it amazing that the shuttle and the 2fact push didn't cross paths in the center of the map.
go.go saw the shuttle with his scv and shifted the path of his push upwards to avoid being seen, if i'm not mistaken.
Ah yeah that makes sense. I remember seeing the push take an odd upward direction, and also go.go had mines already pre-planted in his main when the reaver arrived.
On March 05 2010 20:29 KizZBG wrote: oh no why did go.go win. Now we're gonna get drowned in the tears of Bisu fanboys lol.
They are pretty used to it by now. It's sad T_T. I hoped Bisu made it to the OSL. I used to be an antifan but after his fails vs Guemchi/Bogus/Shine last season and his mass PL lols I started to pity him . We need a protoss hero and no toss has it right now
On March 05 2010 20:29 Zona wrote: and bisu let go.go cover all that ground between bases without stalling with his goons...that was awful
Bisu only had one gateway of dragoons. The space is too open to delay a 2fac push with that few dragoons; you'll get surrounded by vultures. (Or they'll slip past you and rape the probes.)
...but the reason he only had one gateway of dragoons is he was getting shuttle/Reaver, which is GREAT for defending one-base Terran pushes.
On March 05 2010 20:29 KizZBG wrote: oh no why did go.go win. Now we're gonna get drowned in the tears of Bisu fanboys lol.
They are pretty used to it by now. It's sad T_T. I hoped Bisu made it to the OSL. I used to be an antifan but after his fails vs Guemchi/Bogus/Shine last season and his mass PL lols I started to pity him . We need a protoss hero and no toss has it right now
Movie will most likely pick in his group and then knock him out of the OSL again, it's either Movie or Flash.
On March 05 2010 20:30 FireGuyX wrote: Huge economic lead by go.go, Bisu was late expanding in his natural. Bisu shouldn't have gone for the counter, those reavers would of saved him.
What? 2 fac is not an econ build at all. If Bisu had successfully defended his FE he would've been in a huge lead. But yeah, it was a bad decision to harass, especially when the Terran already has mines.
On March 05 2010 20:33 Highways wrote: go.go is a disgrace to Starcraft
maybe in the past - but his games today were good - he prepared well, responded well to bisu's actions, and outplayed bisu, which is clearly reflected in the results.
lol just watched the replay that was sick from go.go and fail micro from bisu leting his reaver get hit with mines and losing it to 5 scvs wtf completly deserved loss here
why is it always bisu who´s getting knocked out early from the leagues by lesser players who happen to play absolutely amazing for their standards when they face him? do flash´s or jaedong´s first-round opponents ever play way above their true skilllevel?
thats no excuse for bisus misdecisions that game, but still it feels like its always him to run into lesser players who play fantastic all of a sudden.
Man... Bisu got lucky in this game (did you see those 2 mines vs the reaver lol..) and still lost. Bad timing and multitasking. WTF, I've never seen Bisu play like this, not even in his last slump after losing to Mind.
Lol, my Liquibet season was already screwed, but the one time I overcame my hate for Bisu and decided to bet him. Even as I was betting him I was thinking to myself "lawl, that scrub will probably lose to go.go." I'm not unhappy right now.
Guys, please stop saying how Bisu should've used his shuttle to defend. Hi shuttle was in go.go's base when he scouted the 2-fac. Plus it was CROSS MAP. By the time the shuttle got back, he would've taken a lot of damage for nothing.
Bisu made too many mistakes in his control. In terms of economy and army size, he should've been able to fend that off. go.go basically killed Bisu with almost-dead tanks that entire time.
On March 05 2010 20:29 KizZBG wrote: oh no why did go.go win. Now we're gonna get drowned in the tears of Bisu fanboys lol.
They are pretty used to it by now. It's sad T_T. I hoped Bisu made it to the OSL. I used to be an antifan but after his fails vs Guemchi/Bogus/Shine last season and his mass PL lols I started to pity him . We need a protoss hero and no toss has it right now
I think you'd be better off rooting for Stork. Hell, isn't that why Stork had a surge in popularity some time ago? The Bisu fans had to find themselves a new Protoss hero and so they converged on Dinotoss.
In fact, wasn't that the underlying reason for the "Stork's body" threads? Looks are an important factor for Protoss fandom -- the Mantoss, sexy Bisu -- so it probably isn't a coincidence that Stork started getting some physical attention when Bisu's failings became obvious even to his most die-hard fans.
lol @ people thinking he could just fly back with his reaver and win the game. His shuttle was already at Go.go`s natural when he discovered that gogo was 2facing him. By the time his reaver would return his natural would already be dead. What he should have done was bring his reaver back after it had already killed all those SCVs, instead of dropping it on mines and losing it right afterward. Even with losing that reaver he came ultra close to killing of gogos forces.
I am not really a bisu fan so I dont bother that much, but its always sad to see protoss lose to Terran. Not sure why but I just dont like terran at all.
Also it feels like Protoss only have one player who can be considered a top player who can win titles. And that player is stork, a man who also seem to lose often to noob players.
So protoss just seem so damn weak and we can look forward to Flash and jaedong finals over and over again.
On March 05 2010 20:33 Highways wrote: go.go is a disgrace to Starcraft
maybe in the past - but his games today were good - he prepared well, responded well to bisu's actions, and outplayed bisu, which is clearly reflected in the results.
You actually paid attention to a post by Highways? lol :p
On March 05 2010 20:41 purpose wrote: I am not really a bisu fan so I dont bother that much, but its always sad to see protoss lose to Terran. Not sure why but I just dont like terran at all.
Also it feels like Protoss only have one player who can be considered a top player who can win titles. And that player is stork, a man who also seem to lose often to noob players.
So protoss just seem so damn weak and we can look forward to Flash and jaedong finals over and over again.
uhh watch Stork vs pretty much any Terran.
He pretty much dominates. (Unless it's Flash, but Flash isn't human)
Stork is the undisputed god of PvT. He loses more often to random Z and P players then T.
On March 05 2010 20:35 Black Gun wrote: why is it always bisu who´s getting knocked out early from the leagues by lesser players who happen to play absolutely amazing for their standards when they face him? do flash´s or jaedong´s first-round opponents ever play way above their true skilllevel?
thats no excuse for bisus misdecisions that game, but still it feels like its always him to run into lesser players who play fantastic all of a sudden.
Since when are 2-factory pushes or Rax->Expansion "amazing" plays? You can call them cheap, or cheesy, but hardly "amazing".
On March 05 2010 20:41 purpose wrote: I am not really a bisu fan so I dont bother that much, but its always sad to see protoss lose to Terran. Not sure why but I just dont like terran at all.
Also it feels like Protoss only have one player who can be considered a top player who can win titles. And that player is stork, a man who also seem to lose often to noob players.
So protoss just seem so damn weak and we can look forward to Flash and jaedong finals over and over again.
uhh watch Stork vs pretty much any Terran.
He pretty much dominates. (Unless it's Flash, but Flash isn't human)
Stork is the undisputed god of PvT. He loses more often to random Z and P players then T.
Terran should not research mines against stork which serve more like scarabs, no wonder he don't go reavers nowadays..
On March 05 2010 20:35 Black Gun wrote: why is it always bisu who´s getting knocked out early from the leagues by lesser players who happen to play absolutely amazing for their standards when they face him? do flash´s or jaedong´s first-round opponents ever play way above their true skilllevel?
thats no excuse for bisus misdecisions that game, but still it feels like its always him to run into lesser players who play fantastic all of a sudden.
Since when are 2-factory pushes or Rax->Expansion "amazing" plays? You can call them cheap, or cheesy, but hardly "amazing".
On March 05 2010 20:35 Black Gun wrote: why is it always bisu who´s getting knocked out early from the leagues by lesser players who happen to play absolutely amazing for their standards when they face him? do flash´s or jaedong´s first-round opponents ever play way above their true skilllevel?
thats no excuse for bisus misdecisions that game, but still it feels like its always him to run into lesser players who play fantastic all of a sudden.
Since when are 2-factory pushes or Rax->Expansion "amazing" plays? You can call them cheap, or cheesy, but hardly "amazing".
Difference is that Flash and Jaedong play very safe when they play against lesser opponents, and are wary of cheese.
For instance, Jaedong went overpool against go.go last OSL, which is probably because he figured that go.go would go for a bunker rush, or a heavy economic build. go.go went 14CC and Jaedong rolled him.
Flash, in a TvZ (not sure against who, but pretty sure in last OSL) built a second bunker just to be safe, not even knowing about the lurker tech and managed to fend off the push because of it.
If Bisu had gone 2 gate goon range he would've rolled go.go
On March 05 2010 20:47 Roffles wrote: Words don't even describe this abomination of events. Go.Go played like a true bug, pesky little abusing Terran scum.
Well... he abused the shit out of Great Barrier Reef, but that's the fault of mapmakers who gave Terran five easy bases and decided it was balanced. (Hint: Protoss wins by getting a bigger economy than Terran. You can't get a bigger economy than five bases without impinging on your food cap.) 2fac'ing (and hiding a 2fac as an FD) are perfectly normal plays, and it's totally Bisu's fault he failed to scout and deflect it.
On March 05 2010 20:35 Black Gun wrote: why is it always bisu who´s getting knocked out early from the leagues by lesser players who happen to play absolutely amazing for their standards when they face him? do flash´s or jaedong´s first-round opponents ever play way above their true skilllevel?
thats no excuse for bisus misdecisions that game, but still it feels like its always him to run into lesser players who play fantastic all of a sudden.
Since when are 2-factory pushes or Rax->Expansion "amazing" plays? You can call them cheap, or cheesy, but hardly "amazing".
Difference is that Flash and Jaedong play very safe when they play against lesser opponents, and are wary of cheese.
For instance, Jaedong went overpool against go.go last OSL, which is probably because he figured that go.go would go for a bunker rush, or a heavy economic build. go.go went 14CC and Jaedong rolled him.
Flash, in a TvZ (not sure against who, but pretty sure in last OSL) built a second bunker just to be safe, not even knowing about the lurker tech and managed to fend off the push because of it.
If Bisu had gone 2 gate goon range he would've rolled go.go
Also at least Terran and Zerg have 1 huge star that more or less show their class. Toss has Stork and you know that he can fail and will more or less to anyone.
Sure Toss have players who can do good, looka t movie last OSL but they dont have that superstar that Terran and Zerg does.
Toss more has one player who could be it, but instead is on the 2nd level were Terran and Zerg have alot of players who can win vs anybody but not really go all the way.
Bisu isn't past his prime, he is still good and can clearly play very well. He just had a bad series and lost to a bug, no big deal, there is always next OSL (there clearly will be a next OSL, those thinking otherwise are clueless).
God I just saw go.go go two fact and thought, "Bisu's going to rule out 2 fact, you'd have to be an idiot to do it cross positions AND build that many marines". Oh god. What have I done.
On March 05 2010 20:47 Roffles wrote: Words don't even describe this abomination of events. Go.Go played like a true bug, pesky little abusing Terran scum.
Well... he abused the shit out of Great Barrier Reef, but that's the fault of mapmakers who gave Terran five easy bases and decided it was balanced. (Hint: Protoss wins by getting a bigger economy than Terran. You can't get a bigger economy than five bases without impinging on your food cap.) 2fac'ing (and hiding a 2fac as an FD) are perfectly normal plays, and it's totally Bisu's fault he failed to scout and deflect it.
lol have you even watched the PvTs on El Nino/Great Barrier Reef? Go.go had a perfect build that prepared perfectly for the reaver counter which is why it looked like it was easy to hold 5 bases.
It's not an easy map to turtle at all, Bisu was just way behind in eco from the opening builds on.
I think this is it for Bisu. We probably will see him play good games in the future but as far as titles goes, nope Bisu will slowly fade away and become just another hasbeen!!
Sadly but I dont think he has the motivation to get back to nr 1 again.
Its funny I always disliked Bisu and enjoyed seeing him lose. Maybe because he was just so good and abused protoss tech so masterfully. Now that hes slumping I find I can't dislike him anymore. What the fuck though, how does he lose to such mediocre TvP?
On March 05 2010 20:47 Roffles wrote: Words don't even describe this abomination of events. Go.Go played like a true bug, pesky little abusing Terran scum.
Well... he abused the shit out of Great Barrier Reef, but that's the fault of mapmakers who gave Terran five easy bases and decided it was balanced. (Hint: Protoss wins by getting a bigger economy than Terran. You can't get a bigger economy than five bases without impinging on your food cap.) 2fac'ing (and hiding a 2fac as an FD) are perfectly normal plays, and it's totally Bisu's fault he failed to scout and deflect it.
lol have you even watched the PvTs on El Nino/Great Barrier Reef? Go.go had a perfect build that prepared perfectly for the reaver counter which is why it looked like it was easy to hold 5 bases.
It's not an easy map to turtle at all, Bisu was just way behind in eco from the opening builds on.
Its not any more imbalanced PvT than Eye of the Storm
On March 05 2010 20:29 The_Australian wrote: Now you darned bisu lovers know how us savior fanboys feel. We both now know what it feels like to know our respective idols will never win anything again (apart from random PL matches)
The difference is that Bisu is good.
And savior wasn't?
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
I'll agree esports is worse off for having bisu not do well, tho.
Wow really not a Bisu fan but I can't help but think that this OSL is going to be worse off without him. Up to this point the better player out of each group in terms of Starleague performance advanced to the Ro16.
On March 05 2010 20:29 The_Australian wrote: Now you darned bisu lovers know how us savior fanboys feel. We both now know what it feels like to know our respective idols will never win anything again (apart from random PL matches)
The difference is that Bisu is good.
And savior wasn't?
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
I'll agree esports is worse off for having bisu not do well, tho.
I've actually gone through the savior angst too, maybe not as bad as most, but still Q.Q However Bisu was a player you could REALLY get behind, cocky, pretty, skilled meh, dont care if he loses every single game from now on, bisu 4 lyf
I used to hate Bisu when he was dominating, and actually rooted for JD in that showmatch against him, but I wish he would get further in the leagues because he really is one of the most entertaining players to watch.
OMG, awesome results! XD Bisu slump, me like; knocked out by Bogus, Guemchi and Shine early on in the Starleagues last season, 3-6 in WL so far and knocked out from the OSL by go.go. :D
On March 06 2010 01:42 Holgerius wrote: OMG, awesome results! XD Bisu slump, me like; knocked out by Bogus, Guemchi and Shine early on in the Starleagues last season, 3-6 in WL so far and knocked out from the OSL by go.go. :D
I totally disagree. I want Bisu to lose, but I want it to be in close quarter- semi- or finals against Flash, JD or Stork
Even if you don't like Bisu I can't see why you would be happy to see him get knocked out by go.go. You really think go.go is gonna provide us with more entertaining games?
I really wanted to see how Bisu stacked up nowadays against Jaedong or Flash in a Bo3 or Bo5, but I guess there's still the MSL.
It's weird how SKT1 has like gazillion terran builds that are cute and abusive, yet their protoss builds are the most boring, predictable stuff ever. I swear every PvT I see from T1 involves either 2-base arbiter or expansion->reavers.
I mean, if you're going to be predictable, at least do it like Stork and just go obs + macro off of gateways. That's the super safe build unless you play Flash.
On March 05 2010 20:29 KizZBG wrote: oh no why did go.go win. Now we're gonna get drowned in the tears of Bisu fanboys lol.
They are pretty used to it by now. It's sad T_T. I hoped Bisu made it to the OSL. I used to be an antifan but after his fails vs Guemchi/Bogus/Shine last season and his mass PL lols I started to pity him . We need a protoss hero and no toss has it right now
but.. but.. we still have Stork:D:D:D
But still i think Bisu is the better player at least was...
On March 05 2010 21:17 purpose wrote: I think this is it for Bisu. We probably will see him play good games in the future but as far as titles goes, nope Bisu will slowly fade away and become just another hasbeen!!
Not the first time i read this. Not second or third either.
I don't really care if he wins tournaments, i wanna see good starcraft. And the boy still delivers and way better than most. Enough for me.
that's why i almost dont watch starcraft anymore.. all our favorite players losing...no new ones coming to the top.. why watch X vs Y that no one likes?
Oh my god...I couldn't finish watch it live because I got too sleepy. Now that I caught on, this is the worst possible news.
Like, when I was watching the 3rd match of go.go v.s. Bisu vod, I saw the 2 factory and the fact that the vod is only 11 minutes. I knew from that point Bisu is toast. Bisu seriously should have recognized two factory push judging from the number of marines that go.go was producing. Yet he fast expanded anyway and went reaver. I mean, wtf? It doesn't take star sense for you to know that something is wrong.
It is over. The verdict is in. Bisu is once again in a deep deep deep slump. I predict he's gonna be knocked out of the MSL in round of 32. I am totally calling it. I am converting to 100% Stork fanboyism in order to keep the illusion that Protoss is still doing good.
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