I'm confident in fantasy making it to the next round. Even though he's not Flash-rock solid but both his TvZ and TvT are very strong at the moment (minus the hiccup against Hiya the other day). Hyun should trash Frozen unless he fucks up big time. Though I doubt he can even take a game off Fantasy here, unless he cheeses.
P/S: Yes I'm well aware of the fact that Hyun was the one who stopped Flash's TvZ streak. But it could have been any other zerg on a good day so ...
On February 26 2010 13:44 nayumi wrote: I'm confident in fantasy making it to the next round. Even though he's not Flash-rock solid but both his TvZ and TvT are very strong at the moment (minus the hiccup against Hiya the other day). Hyun should trash Frozen unless he fucks up big time. Though I doubt he can even take a game off Fantasy here, unless he cheeses.
I thought Fantasy played that game relatively well; Hiya got away with an unscouted 14 CC and I thought it was good that Fantasy was able to last as long as he did after that.
Fantasy has very interesting play when he gets far into individual league. I hope he gets the chance to go far and throw out some uber strats this season.
Hyun is my least favorite Zerg player. I really hope he loses. Thank god he's playing TvZ's, He might beat Frozean but he is going to get stomped by Fantasy
Sooo I just noticed that CuteAngel's worst mu is TvZ, fantasy's worst mu is TvZ, and Hyun's worst mu is ZvT... Except some high quality SC tonight, people! Hey now!
On February 26 2010 14:51 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Sooo I just noticed that CuteAngel's worst mu is TvZ, fantasy's worst mu is TvZ, and Hyun's worst mu is ZvT... Except some high quality SC tonight, people! Hey now!
On February 26 2010 14:51 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Sooo I just noticed that CuteAngel's worst mu is TvZ, fantasy's worst mu is TvZ, and Hyun's worst mu is ZvT... Except some high quality SC tonight, people! Hey now!
Statistics don't really matter atm, they are hardly accurate I say. We can't deny that Fantasy's TvZ has barely improved, while we can say for sure that FrOzen has indeed stepped up his performance recently. And Hyun has never played better since his debut.
On February 26 2010 16:34 konadora wrote: Statistics don't really matter atm, they are hardly accurate I say. We can't deny that Fantasy's TvZ has barely improved, while we can say for sure that FrOzen has indeed stepped up his performance recently. And Hyun has never played better since his debut.
I don't agree with that first part. While it's true Fantasy's TvZ isn't the best among progamers, he's come a long way since his initial rise to prominence. He's got decent mnm control now, compared to the earlier days when mech was his crutch. But I think the biggest change is his sense of the matchup is a lot better than before. In the past his decision making was rather questionable, but now it's a lot better, although of course there have been some glaring errors: even the best pro makes laughably stupid choices from time to time.
Yeah, yeah, I know I said I don't predict any magical games of magic in this group, but I am, as usual, watching pro SC in an effort to further procrastinate finishing my essay draft that's due today. So shame on me.
I've got to say - the intro with the shitty cg flag field and only flash sucks, despite the great korean air branding integration into the rest of the production.
well, really whoring out your sponsor is a good thing - it'll increase the chances they'll sign on again, or at the very least attract other potential sponsors who see OGN's dedication to getting a sponsor's branding and message out. Plus I'd hazard to guess Korean Air is paying a higher fee than the previous few sponsors.
Anyways - frozen top left, hyun top right - OL scouting wrong
On February 26 2010 19:02 Zona wrote: I've got to say - the intro with the shitty cg flag field and only flash sucks, despite the great korean air branding integration into the rest of the production.
Well the Ro36 intros aren't the true intros. They'll hopefully have something good for the Ro16 (consider the previous OSL, for example).
Maybe it'll be like the Incruit OSL and have 5 intros or whatever.
frozen with a relatively high amount of firebats for this early in the game turrets being added - interesting, will that placement screw up the nat gas mining?
frozen sending 3 firebats one by one towards 5 to try to stop the drone, but each killed by lings as they're split up
similar game to the last one - hyun can't stop frozen from outdoing him in econ he lands a pretty good plague on the roving army, but no change in the overall scheme of things
mnmnf push to the natural - swarm with lings no good against them - all drones die - looks like 9 of them the hatch dies too - frozen pulls back as a few lurkers arrive under swarm
frozen has actually been a legit player recently, after he switched to stx he hasn't lost as much and the losses haven't been as bad as old frozean. as much as i like hyun this really doesn't surprise me. I wouldn't be surprised if frozen wound up taking out fantasy either
A TvT... Well, Frozen needs to win once with a 2-fact build, then needs to go 2-port. Fantasy's TvT is solid enough to win those lousy FD or siege expand TvTs that drag out.
On February 26 2010 19:31 ItsBigfoot wrote: frozen has actually been a legit player recently, after he switched to stx he hasn't lost as much and the losses haven't been as bad as old frozean. as much as i like hyun this really doesn't surprise me. I wouldn't be surprised if frozen wound up taking out fantasy either
On February 26 2010 19:31 Zona wrote: Hyun sucked and never harassed the terran early game, and let frozen outexpand him.
his 3hatch lurker game 1 totally failed, and his mutas did ZERO (no exaggeration) damage at frozen's base, and killed only a few wandering mnm.
Well, the whole point of aggressive m'n'm movement is to force mutas to defend instead of harass, which allows the Terran to fight them on his own terms. And you can afford to lose your first m'n'm group, like Frozen did at the bottom right, as long as you trade them for a good number of mutas. Hyun simply hasn't adapted to this aggressive playstyle.
well frozen has a ton of good zergs to practice again now, and true, his play was very good today. it's just hard to evaluate since his opponent played so poorly.
I don't know, I'm just a bit worried as a fantasy/SKT fan. Fantasy hasn't been in top form lately
By the way, where are the NaDa Korea Air commercials? After the first one I haven't seen any. You'd think this time would be when they'd air them. Maybe on Youtube?
On February 26 2010 19:31 Zona wrote: Hyun sucked and never harassed the terran early game, and let frozen outexpand him.
his 3hatch lurker game 1 totally failed, and his mutas did ZERO (no exaggeration) damage at frozen's base, and killed only a few wandering mnm.
Well, the whole point of aggressive m'n'm movement is to force mutas to defend instead of harass, which allows the Terran to fight them on his own terms. And you can afford to lose your first m'n'm group, like Frozen did at the bottom right, as long as you trade them for a good number of mutas. Hyun simply hasn't adapted to this aggressive playstyle.
Sure. But Hyun completely failed to deal damage even to the forward mnm group with his first few passes - and did minimal damage after that. Only when he finally had lurkers as the group reached 5 did they get cleared.
On February 26 2010 19:36 FastEddieV wrote: By the way, where are the NaDa Korea Air commercials? After the first one I haven't seen any. You'd think this time would be when they'd air them. Maybe on Youtube?
The translated NaDa interviews seem to imply they're on a certain website. I think maybe they're part of the online ad campaign?
frozen killed almost all of the mineral-mining scv's at fantasy's nat - fantasy attacking with tankgolivult and kills all of frozen's tanks below his nat - but wraiths arrive, killing all of the goliaths
the tanks have to retreat - but they're going to all be killed by wriaths anyways on the other hand vultures are raiding both frozen's nat and 2, killing a sizable amount of scvs
frozen could have done so much more with his wraiths if he paid attention to them - especially the time when they were shooting at fantasy's depots (and most of fantasy's goliaths were halfway across the map)
On February 26 2010 20:01 konadora wrote: MANNER CC CEREMONY LOL
If you meant the one at bottom right, it was just a 100% logical expansion spot at that point. If he made a really offensive one elsewhere I must've missed it, choppy stream here.
On February 26 2010 20:01 MountainDewJunkie wrote: That was a neat choke job there, Frozen.
I don't think he choked; he probably overestimated the damage he did with his wraiths and overextended himself. And let's face it, fantasy has tons more experience in this matchup.
yep - the replay is showing the moment I"m taking about - the wraiths spending so much time shooting at the depots when there were so many juicy scv's nearby - protected only by one turret
On February 26 2010 20:01 MountainDewJunkie wrote: That was a neat choke job there, Frozen.
I don't think he choked; he probably overestimated the damage he did with his wraiths and overextended himself. And let's face it, fantasy has tons more experience in this matchup.
Yeah, choke isn't quite the right word, I concede. It was interesting. He actually did alright with those (eventually) 3-port wraiths, but predicted a mass goliath surge with tanks, so he stopped making wraiths period, overextended himself like you said, and had no army to compete with fantasy's macro. Furthermore, we saw fantasy run over Frozen with vulture-tank, as if fantasy had predicted (or kept up the scanning) that Frozen would stop producing wraiths altogether. After that... ouch.
oh, frozen in a really bad posiiton - fantasy sieges below frozen's ramp - lays mines next to frozen's remaining tank - and unlike fantasy, frozen doesn't have the micro/vultures to defuse them before they go off
well by the way fantasy was trying to keep probing frozen's nat for what units were coming out, he was clearly suspecting 2-fact his response at his nat was pretty fast, and the bunker bought him a few seconds that allowed his own siege to finish in time
On February 26 2010 20:26 Desutroyah wrote: if you can write up jaedong you can write up bisu?
Tell me you're kidding.
Jaedong hasn't advanced, neither has Bisu.
That's why he said if MountainDewJunkie adds JD without being qualified he can add Bisu too.
Hey dude, I edited that post like 5 minutes ago, it was a mistake. Neither players are in yet. Neither player is in yet (yeah, that sounds grammatically correct...).
On February 26 2010 20:43 Kenpachi wrote: Bisu is cursed. he will never be part of the OSL. Jaedong rightfully part of every OSL. Fuck yea Fantasy.
Bisu is a part of the main OSL this time, he's in ro36... he has been a part of the OSL for god knows how long. He just never won. He's kinda like Hwasin in every OSL, only diff. is there are people expecting him to make it far.
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