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On February 15 2010 08:07 KP_CollectoR wrote:
Can someone please summarize the games of IdrA vs. Nony? OP doesn't seem to have results/detailed results... hope you don't mind!
g1: nony goes fe planning to get dt drop. Idra goes vult drop with mines which is a perfect counter and obviously wins easily.
g2: nony harasses an scv building a command center and idra accidentally cancels the CC. Because Idra was not mining gas he was basically raped so he just taps out immidiately.
g3: nony busts Idra with straight up goons and a proxy reaver. Nony rapes.
g4: nony goes proxy zealot (no gas steal) and does some okay harassment, but Idra is basically fine. Game continues and nony decides he wants to bust idra's FE so he proxies more gateways... Nony's bust fails. When Idra moves out he loses like 5 tanks for no reason. After some vult harass the game disconnects and nony gives the game to Idra since he was a little behind (I assume influence of what he though jaedong should have done with flash). Nony gains karma, idra gets the set.
g5 Idra does the same no gas expo and nony cross scouts it right away. Proxy gates, 4gate dragoon plus zealot. Idra has no real wall and gets raped.
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On February 15 2010 07:59 snowdrift86 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 07:56 KNICK wrote:On February 15 2010 07:51 myfriendPlank wrote:On February 15 2010 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The funny thing is idiots will think this makes nony better I agree. IdrA would've taken this 3 - 0 if all those games were just straight up macro games. (and him not canceling his CC by accident). I really don't get these arguments, why is the only "legit" victory one obtained in a long macro game? Idra believes this sort of argument too, which is why he keeps losing against other foreigners despite his Korean training.
I agree with the last two posts. Starcraft is a game where the winner is the player who kills his opponent, by any means possible. Matchups like this is why SC is such a fun game to watch as well as play, because going into this series I expected a 3-0 or 3-1 win from Idra based on the fact that he's been playing with a pro team for the past couple of years.
Get it through your heads guys, although mechanics is a huge part of winning a SC game, so is decision making: should I proxy gate and win, or play "straight up" and lose. Hmmmm.
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On February 15 2010 08:10 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 08:08 SuperArc wrote:
People laughing at Idra for losing even though he's practicing with Koreans need to look at the bigger picture.
Idra lost BECAUSE he's training with Koreans. No Korean would expect proxy gates against a rax expand, because its unimaginable. (all-ins are so rare apart from WL). I suggest you hide that CJ tag in the corner before you post such hilarious things. Idra's just soooo good that he's too good and thus falls for "foreigner" tricks. That's the power of denial.
What does my CJ tag have to do with my post? lol
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On February 15 2010 08:10 Glaucus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 08:01 4Servy wrote:
All dumbass fanboys can say no skilled players and blablabla, but the 4 players left here are probably the best foreingers overtime (excluding draco).
JF is inactive. Mondragon has terrible mechanics and obsolete play. Sen, no one really knows. And I bet Nony's game is also shaky. Yeah, P is easy but at higher levels not that easy. JF and Mondragon can't touch Idra. Nony won because Idra canceled his CC. All solid players are already out of the tournament. Sen didn't show any high level skill so far. Sen seems to have won vs Ret on mindgames only.
I am not even going to bother arguing against this. You are hopeless.
JF (inactive?) comes back from 0-2 and beats White-Ra. Rapes GosI[Terran].
Mondragon shows fantastic plays in defeating BRAT_OK and Fenix.
Sen demolishes Draco and beats Ret in a nailbiter.
Nony 6-0s two Terrans and does what he has to do beat IdrA.
People should be banned for stupidity.
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On February 15 2010 08:10 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 08:08 SuperArc wrote:
People laughing at Idra for losing even though he's practicing with Koreans need to look at the bigger picture.
Idra lost BECAUSE he's training with Koreans. No Korean would expect proxy gates against a rax expand, because its unimaginable. (all-ins are so rare apart from WL). I suggest you hide that CJ tag in the corner before you post such hilarious things. Idra's just soooo good that he's too good and thus falls for "foreigner" tricks. That's the power of denial.
Honestly the idea that good players lose to bad players sometimes because they are bad is totally valid. when you are used to practicing with players who always do the most efficient/rational thing you might not scout something like a critical hidden expansion because "no one would be stupid enough to expand here because it is impossible to defend, etc."
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I am SO happy IdrA lost!
A win is a win. I hate people who keep going woulda, coulda, shoulda, and slap cheese on those comments, or undermine the importance of mind games and perparation. Look, and win anyway is the same and Exploiting another players weakness is the BEST skill to have.
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It's all a conspiracy. Why would IdrA play THAT unsafe when he knew NonY would cheese. And why would he say gg after game 5 if it wasn't a conspiracy. He never gg's.
I don't know for what purpose though. The games seemed rigged. But it's probably just a big co-incidence.
Good job nony.
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On February 15 2010 08:12 GuyGordon wrote:
LOLOLOL
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On February 15 2010 08:08 iamho wrote:
this blowsss, now instead of epic ret v idra finals we get mondragon/sen raping nony/jf 4-0
El-oh-el. If you think either of those zergs is going to 4-0 NonY, you have another thing coming. Perhaps you've forgotten PvZ is NonY's best matchup, which he hasn't had a chance to showcase yet?
I'm predicting NonY 4-2 Sen for the finals.
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On February 15 2010 08:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I feel the same way here that I do about Flash vs Jaedong.
Flash is the overall better player, Jaedong outprepared him. If you really think everytime someone loses a game then they are a worse player than the player who beat them you are fucking stupid.
Therefore:
HyuN > Flash
Sen > Ret
frOzean > Bisu
etc.
NonY prepared beautifully. IdrA knows NonY is comfortable in macro games and that's what he prepared for, NonY countered that thought and did the exact opposite of what IdrA expected. Reminds me a bit of Flash vs Stork in Bacchus 2008 where Stork prepared for the Flash style build and Flash just did an all-in every game and raped Stork.
IdrA completely outclasses NonY in mechanics/multitask/macro/micro but he just wasn't prepared.
I'm not shitting on NonY or his accomplishments. It's a beautiful thing to see this level of preparation and I really like that kind of stuff.
You are just lecturing people, and you do that actually before anyone actually said something about it. Therefore, you actually create your own drama.
You really just sound like a smartass in this thread.
Besides that, you would have to define what "a better player" means. If you take preparation, psychology and other stuff out, there is actually not much left besides raw mechanics.
I am sure if both played 100 games against each other, Idra would win more. If that is what you mean by a better player, then yay.
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That cancled CC isnt even Idra's shortest game. Remember WCG..or was that a little longer?
NONY!!!!! great play. I thought this might happen because i don't really follow the scene 100% but the last time i read Idra predict 3-0 it was vs f91 and it didn't work out to well.
Saw a gg from Idra, i thought that was fantasy realm stuff.
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On February 15 2010 08:11 OneOther wrote:
you say that idra completely outclasses nony in mechanics (micro) but his three losses today prove otherwise
I guess this is why you are so bad despite being a protoss player...
The two games he lost Idra outmicroed Nony. It just wasn't enough. Bash him for doing a stupid CC before factory. He did completely outclass Nony as he did in their earlier match in all 4 games.
Idra has always been better than Nony even when Idra was quite bad,
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On February 15 2010 08:08 SuperArc wrote:
People laughing at Idra for losing even though he's practicing with Koreans need to look at the bigger picture.
Idra lost BECAUSE he's training with Koreans. No Korean would expect proxy gates against a rax expand, because its unimaginable. (all-ins are so rare apart from WL).
Way to spin it.
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On February 15 2010 08:13 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 08:10 Glaucus wrote:On February 15 2010 08:01 4Servy wrote:
All dumbass fanboys can say no skilled players and blablabla, but the 4 players left here are probably the best foreingers overtime (excluding draco).
JF is inactive. Mondragon has terrible mechanics and obsolete play. Sen, no one really knows. And I bet Nony's game is also shaky. Yeah, P is easy but at higher levels not that easy. JF and Mondragon can't touch Idra. Nony won because Idra canceled his CC. All solid players are already out of the tournament. Sen didn't show any high level skill so far. Sen seems to have won vs Ret on mindgames only. I am not even going to bother arguing against this. You are hopeless. JF (inactive?) comes back from 0-2 and beats White-Ra. Rapes GosI[Terran]. Mondragon shows fantastic plays in defeating BRAT_OK and Fenix. Sen demolishes Draco and beats Ret in a nailbiter. Nony 6-0s two Terrans and does what he has to do beat IdrA. People should be banned for stupidity.
Gotta agree with you here. JF has been very impressive.
Mondragon's multitask/macro is not good, especially in the late-game, but his amazing defiler play and tactical intelligence led him to beat players with much better macro such as Fenix. Very impressed that he can make it work, although I think against a player like NonY it will doom him.
Sen did not impress me, Draco honestly just played poorly that series and IMO ret beat himself, but hey you don't advance this far in the TSL by being bad.
NonY is a very impressive player, I don't think he's anywhere near IdrA's skill level but he won fair and square.
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On February 15 2010 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 08:10 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On February 15 2010 08:08 SuperArc wrote:
People laughing at Idra for losing even though he's practicing with Koreans need to look at the bigger picture.
Idra lost BECAUSE he's training with Koreans. No Korean would expect proxy gates against a rax expand, because its unimaginable. (all-ins are so rare apart from WL). I suggest you hide that CJ tag in the corner before you post such hilarious things. Idra's just soooo good that he's too good and thus falls for "foreigner" tricks. That's the power of denial. Honestly the idea that good players lose to bad players sometimes because they are bad is totally valid. when you are used to practicing with players who always do the most efficient/rational thing you might not scout something like a critical hidden expansion because "no one would be stupid enough to expand here because it is impossible to defend, etc."
Nope, a better player should have a superior understanding of the game and a quicker sense. Please don't take offense to this but I just don't think you have enough grasp of Starcraft the game itself to be making arguments like that. If IdrA truly believes he outclasses NonY in every mechanical aspect then he should never do a build like CC before gas. Nor should he get raped on Outsider the way he did.
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On February 15 2010 08:13 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 08:10 Glaucus wrote:On February 15 2010 08:01 4Servy wrote:
All dumbass fanboys can say no skilled players and blablabla, but the 4 players left here are probably the best foreingers overtime (excluding draco).
JF is inactive. Mondragon has terrible mechanics and obsolete play. Sen, no one really knows. And I bet Nony's game is also shaky. Yeah, P is easy but at higher levels not that easy. JF and Mondragon can't touch Idra. Nony won because Idra canceled his CC. All solid players are already out of the tournament. Sen didn't show any high level skill so far. Sen seems to have won vs Ret on mindgames only. I am not even going to bother arguing against this. You are hopeless. JF (inactive?) comes back from 0-2 and beats White-Ra. Rapes GosI[Terran]. Mondragon shows fantastic plays in defeating BRAT_OK and Fenix. Sen demolishes Draco and beats Ret in a nailbiter. Nony 6-0s two Terrans and does what he has to do beat IdrA. People should be banned for stupidity.
+1
Whos sen? and mondragon sux => WTF
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I am glad that NonY won. IdrA is probably better overall, but he just wasn't better in these games. I think that JF will win the TSL 2. I really wanna see JF vs NonY PvP. And PvZ final YEEAHHHA!! And i agree that IdrA playing korean style hurts him against foreigners. Still his prediction 3-0 NonY was cocky. I really liked how NonY countered IdrA's terran play. Outsider game was brilliant.
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On February 15 2010 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The funny thing is idiots will think this makes nony better[/QUOTE]
I agree. IdrA would've taken this 3 - 0 if all those games were just straight up macro games. (and him not canceling his CC by accident).[/QUOTE]
Winning is always winning. There is no right or wrong.Though the cc cancel was an unhappy accident.
I enjoyed the series it was ridiculously intense. Like when Flash bunker rushed Jaedong. Perhaps not the longest or typically most enjoyable game but just so intense and exciting!
Thanks for a good cast, awesome games
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On February 15 2010 08:10 Glaucus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 08:01 4Servy wrote:
All dumbass fanboys can say no skilled players and blablabla, but the 4 players left here are probably the best foreingers overtime (excluding draco).
JF is inactive. Mondragon has terrible mechanics and obsolete play. Sen, no one really knows. And I bet Nony's game is also shaky. Yeah, P is easy but at higher levels not that easy. JF and Mondragon can't touch Idra. Nony won because Idra canceled his CC. All solid players are already out of the tournament. Sen didn't show any high level skill so far. Sen seems to have won vs Ret on mindgames only.
This damage control is hilarious.
If Peyton Manning hadn't thrown a pick 6, the Colts may have won the Super Bowl. Too bad, he did and they lost. Idra may have won had he not cancelled the CC but he got rattled in his nerves and misclicked.
He got cocky and just figured he could out-mechanic Nony, and Nony pantsed him. That game on Outsider was beautifully played.
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