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On February 07 2010 17:32 Highways wrote:
ZvZ is the worst matchup ever.
99% luck..
1% less than PvP
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Jaedong loses one ZvZ.
JAEDONG SLUMPING!
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On February 07 2010 17:53 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 17:32 Highways wrote:
ZvZ is the worst matchup ever.
99% luck.. 1% less than PvP
100% concentrated power of will
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On February 07 2010 18:57 kyzers0ze wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 17:53 Ideas wrote:On February 07 2010 17:32 Highways wrote:
ZvZ is the worst matchup ever.
99% luck.. 1% less than PvP 100% concentrated power of will
shouldn't that be 15%?
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On February 07 2010 19:02 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 18:57 kyzers0ze wrote:On February 07 2010 17:53 Ideas wrote:On February 07 2010 17:32 Highways wrote:
ZvZ is the worst matchup ever.
99% luck.. 1% less than PvP 100% concentrated power of will shouldn't that be 15%?
At least I have a reason to remember the name.
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On February 07 2010 19:12 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 19:02 moopie wrote:On February 07 2010 18:57 kyzers0ze wrote:On February 07 2010 17:53 Ideas wrote:On February 07 2010 17:32 Highways wrote:
ZvZ is the worst matchup ever.
99% luck.. 1% less than PvP 100% concentrated power of will shouldn't that be 15%? At least I have a reason to remember the name.
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I like how when Flash loses Jaedong also loses. :D
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I'm really liking eSTRO's performance as of late, they've always had players with so much potential but other teams used to simply walk them over.
Is JD vs hyvaa any good ?
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On February 07 2010 15:36 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 15:34 Itachii wrote:On February 07 2010 15:33 Holgerius wrote:
Hyvaa outplayed JD, holy fuck. :O outplay my ass, jd passed his lings and could easily enter main with all of them, hyvva would be forced to move back.but instead jd decidecs to chase his lings -_- Decision making is a part of playing SC you know?
lol.
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Jaedong never loses, he outplays himself
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On February 07 2010 20:38 FirstBorn wrote:
I'm really liking eSTRO's performance as of late, they've always had players with so much potential but other teams used to simply walk them over.
Is JD vs hyvaa any good ?
no
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IOn February 07 2010 16:10 NSANE.hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 16:00 PiePie wrote:On February 07 2010 15:56 NSANE.hydra wrote:On February 07 2010 15:48 moopie wrote:On February 07 2010 15:36 Holgerius wrote:On February 07 2010 15:34 Itachii wrote:On February 07 2010 15:33 Holgerius wrote:
Hyvaa outplayed JD, holy fuck. :O outplay my ass, jd passed his lings and could easily enter main with all of them, hyvva would be forced to move back.but instead jd decidecs to chase his lings -_- Decision making is a part of playing SC you know? Yes, and hyvaa did win, but he didn't "outplay" jd. jd outplayed himself. :/ This. Jaedong's bad decision killed him, not any brilliant play on hyvaa's part. JD can't get outplayed by others, he always outplays himself. When people make bad choices it's not called outplayed /sarcasm. Look what im trying to say is even if Hyvaa didn't do anything stellar, he still made better choices than JD as simple as it is, thus outplayed (not stellar outplayed but outplayed none the less) We just have different definitions of outplayed. Yes, hyvaa deserved the win because he played more solidly than JD, but I don't consider it outplaying unless he was actively outsmarting JD. It's just a matter of opinion on what constitutes "outplaying". There's really no point in arguing anymore, I just would rather this not be called "fanboyism", because I would use the same standard with any other player...
You do realize how stupid this sounds Hyvaa played more solid than jaedong but didn't out play him...
so according to this logic a player who wins a game using great mechanics and standard gameplay didn't outplay his opponent just because he didn't use anything clever or "Outsmart" his opponent don't get me wrong I love jaedong as much as the next Oz (Jaedong) fanboy but this just sounds so contradicting that its rediculous t.t
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On February 07 2010 22:28 Sad[Panda] wrote:I Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 16:10 NSANE.hydra wrote:On February 07 2010 16:00 PiePie wrote:On February 07 2010 15:56 NSANE.hydra wrote:On February 07 2010 15:48 moopie wrote:On February 07 2010 15:36 Holgerius wrote:On February 07 2010 15:34 Itachii wrote:On February 07 2010 15:33 Holgerius wrote:
Hyvaa outplayed JD, holy fuck. :O outplay my ass, jd passed his lings and could easily enter main with all of them, hyvva would be forced to move back.but instead jd decidecs to chase his lings -_- Decision making is a part of playing SC you know? Yes, and hyvaa did win, but he didn't "outplay" jd. jd outplayed himself. :/ This. Jaedong's bad decision killed him, not any brilliant play on hyvaa's part. JD can't get outplayed by others, he always outplays himself. When people make bad choices it's not called outplayed /sarcasm. Look what im trying to say is even if Hyvaa didn't do anything stellar, he still made better choices than JD as simple as it is, thus outplayed (not stellar outplayed but outplayed none the less) We just have different definitions of outplayed. Yes, hyvaa deserved the win because he played more solidly than JD, but I don't consider it outplaying unless he was actively outsmarting JD. It's just a matter of opinion on what constitutes "outplaying". There's really no point in arguing anymore, I just would rather this not be called "fanboyism", because I would use the same standard with any other player... You do realize how stupid this sounds Hyvaa played more solid than jaedong but didn't out play him... so according to this logic a player who wins a game using great mechanics and standard gameplay didn't outplay his opponent just because he didn't use anything clever or "Outsmart" his opponent don't get me wrong I love jaedong as much as the next Oz (Jaedong) fanboy but this just sounds so contradicting that its rediculous t.t
well i see it like... 3 levels of 'playing'
suckplaying
playing
outplaying
so jaedong playing in the 2nd state of simply "playing" would be like jaedong level of ownage play which should usually own hyvaa
but if for some reason hyvaa plays like a god then he would be outplaying jaedong.
so in today's game hyvaa was simply playing (being normal hyvaa) while jaedong was suckplaying
i know hyvaa still owned jaedong but in this case he really didn't do anything exceptional it was just a mistake on jaedongs part right.
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On February 07 2010 23:09 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 22:28 Sad[Panda] wrote:I On February 07 2010 16:10 NSANE.hydra wrote:On February 07 2010 16:00 PiePie wrote:On February 07 2010 15:56 NSANE.hydra wrote:On February 07 2010 15:48 moopie wrote:On February 07 2010 15:36 Holgerius wrote:On February 07 2010 15:34 Itachii wrote:On February 07 2010 15:33 Holgerius wrote:
Hyvaa outplayed JD, holy fuck. :O outplay my ass, jd passed his lings and could easily enter main with all of them, hyvva would be forced to move back.but instead jd decidecs to chase his lings -_- Decision making is a part of playing SC you know? Yes, and hyvaa did win, but he didn't "outplay" jd. jd outplayed himself. :/ This. Jaedong's bad decision killed him, not any brilliant play on hyvaa's part. JD can't get outplayed by others, he always outplays himself. When people make bad choices it's not called outplayed /sarcasm. Look what im trying to say is even if Hyvaa didn't do anything stellar, he still made better choices than JD as simple as it is, thus outplayed (not stellar outplayed but outplayed none the less) We just have different definitions of outplayed. Yes, hyvaa deserved the win because he played more solidly than JD, but I don't consider it outplaying unless he was actively outsmarting JD. It's just a matter of opinion on what constitutes "outplaying". There's really no point in arguing anymore, I just would rather this not be called "fanboyism", because I would use the same standard with any other player... You do realize how stupid this sounds Hyvaa played more solid than jaedong but didn't out play him... so according to this logic a player who wins a game using great mechanics and standard gameplay didn't outplay his opponent just because he didn't use anything clever or "Outsmart" his opponent don't get me wrong I love jaedong as much as the next Oz (Jaedong) fanboy but this just sounds so contradicting that its rediculous t.t well i see it like... 3 levels of 'playing' suckplaying playing outplaying so jaedong playing in the 2nd state of simply "playing" would be like jaedong level of ownage play which should usually own hyvaa but if for some reason hyvaa plays like a god then he would be outplaying jaedong. so in today's game hyvaa was simply playing (being normal hyvaa) while jaedong was suckplaying i know hyvaa still owned jaedong but in this case he really didn't do anything exceptional it was just a mistake on jaedongs part right.
The player that made fewer mistakes outplayed the one that made more of them. Is it that hard to comprehend?
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On February 08 2010 00:00 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 23:09 alffla wrote:On February 07 2010 22:28 Sad[Panda] wrote:I On February 07 2010 16:10 NSANE.hydra wrote:On February 07 2010 16:00 PiePie wrote:On February 07 2010 15:56 NSANE.hydra wrote:On February 07 2010 15:48 moopie wrote:On February 07 2010 15:36 Holgerius wrote:On February 07 2010 15:34 Itachii wrote:On February 07 2010 15:33 Holgerius wrote:
Hyvaa outplayed JD, holy fuck. :O outplay my ass, jd passed his lings and could easily enter main with all of them, hyvva would be forced to move back.but instead jd decidecs to chase his lings -_- Decision making is a part of playing SC you know? Yes, and hyvaa did win, but he didn't "outplay" jd. jd outplayed himself. :/ This. Jaedong's bad decision killed him, not any brilliant play on hyvaa's part. JD can't get outplayed by others, he always outplays himself. When people make bad choices it's not called outplayed /sarcasm. Look what im trying to say is even if Hyvaa didn't do anything stellar, he still made better choices than JD as simple as it is, thus outplayed (not stellar outplayed but outplayed none the less) We just have different definitions of outplayed. Yes, hyvaa deserved the win because he played more solidly than JD, but I don't consider it outplaying unless he was actively outsmarting JD. It's just a matter of opinion on what constitutes "outplaying". There's really no point in arguing anymore, I just would rather this not be called "fanboyism", because I would use the same standard with any other player... You do realize how stupid this sounds Hyvaa played more solid than jaedong but didn't out play him... so according to this logic a player who wins a game using great mechanics and standard gameplay didn't outplay his opponent just because he didn't use anything clever or "Outsmart" his opponent don't get me wrong I love jaedong as much as the next Oz (Jaedong) fanboy but this just sounds so contradicting that its rediculous t.t well i see it like... 3 levels of 'playing' suckplaying playing outplaying so jaedong playing in the 2nd state of simply "playing" would be like jaedong level of ownage play which should usually own hyvaa but if for some reason hyvaa plays like a god then he would be outplaying jaedong. so in today's game hyvaa was simply playing (being normal hyvaa) while jaedong was suckplaying i know hyvaa still owned jaedong but in this case he really didn't do anything exceptional it was just a mistake on jaedongs part right. The player that made fewer mistakes outplayed the one that made more of them. Is it that hard to comprehend?
Semantics.
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LAME!
He was supposed to reverse all kill for oodles of points!
What the hell...
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JD seemed unstoppable against Really, then fell apart against Hyvaa shortly after =/.
Gah, I hate how Hwaseung OZ's performance is directly proportional to the Dong's.
Well actually that could be a good thing at times... but not this time TT.
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From my stream topic:
I'm not exactly sure what happened to the stream earlier, when I was streaming WL from MBC...
This is because it was about 7am and my body decided it was time to sleep.
I'm sorry if this caused an inconvenient blackout or mass spam in the chat.
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On February 07 2010 16:11 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 16:08 Holgerius wrote:
Perfectman never really loses any games, he just outplays himself. that's the perfect rebuff to fanboys now "[my guy] never really loses any games, he just outplays himself." ![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif)
At least the  PerfectMan fans you can always tell their joking though, because he's perfect he can't lose.
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On February 07 2010 22:28 Sad[Panda] wrote:I Show nested quote +On February 07 2010 16:10 NSANE.hydra wrote:On February 07 2010 16:00 PiePie wrote:On February 07 2010 15:56 NSANE.hydra wrote:On February 07 2010 15:48 moopie wrote:On February 07 2010 15:36 Holgerius wrote:On February 07 2010 15:34 Itachii wrote:On February 07 2010 15:33 Holgerius wrote:
Hyvaa outplayed JD, holy fuck. :O outplay my ass, jd passed his lings and could easily enter main with all of them, hyvva would be forced to move back.but instead jd decidecs to chase his lings -_- Decision making is a part of playing SC you know? Yes, and hyvaa did win, but he didn't "outplay" jd. jd outplayed himself. :/ This. Jaedong's bad decision killed him, not any brilliant play on hyvaa's part. JD can't get outplayed by others, he always outplays himself. When people make bad choices it's not called outplayed /sarcasm. Look what im trying to say is even if Hyvaa didn't do anything stellar, he still made better choices than JD as simple as it is, thus outplayed (not stellar outplayed but outplayed none the less) We just have different definitions of outplayed. Yes, hyvaa deserved the win because he played more solidly than JD, but I don't consider it outplaying unless he was actively outsmarting JD. It's just a matter of opinion on what constitutes "outplaying". There's really no point in arguing anymore, I just would rather this not be called "fanboyism", because I would use the same standard with any other player... You do realize how stupid this sounds Hyvaa played more solid than jaedong but didn't out play him... so according to this logic a player who wins a game using great mechanics and standard gameplay didn't outplay his opponent just because he didn't use anything clever or "Outsmart" his opponent don't get me wrong I love jaedong as much as the next Oz (Jaedong) fanboy but this just sounds so contradicting that its rediculous t.t
This comes to a matter of definition (and thus the disagreement), but look at it this way: Some people consider the term 'outplayed' to mean the same (or similar) as 'outsmarted'. In SC, that would happen when a player sees what his opponent is doing and completely counters that build, thus dominating the match. JD vs Kal in MSL semi's was like that, and as a Kal fan it was quite sad to see, but he was outplayed on every level, his builds entirely countered, and was made to look like a noob.
Now in this match, both players played pretty standard zvz, and they both commited into an all-or-nothing ling runby. A few seconds later, JD changed his mind (for whatever reason) and turned his lings around, spire went down for him, hyvaa kept his base and the rest is history. Now, was hyvaa outsmarting him? I wouldn't say so, because it wasn't him 'reacting' to JD's build, he sent his lings to attack JD's main, and JD sent his lings to attack hyvaa's main. After that, it was JD himself that made the decision/mistake and lost the game.
The reason I don't consider the term 'outplayed' to simply mean 'played better' (which includes not making as many mistakes or as critical) is because that is already stated by who won the match. if player A wins over player B, he played better than him (either by outplaying him, or by player B making a blunder, by luck, etc etc). Simply stating that every match that a player wins he outplayed his opponent is redundant.
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