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On December 14 2009 20:01 fearus wrote: u know
if he sat backed and lost
every1 would have been raging at him harder for letting bisu recover.
Damn. Straight.
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eh that fake shutle drop was amazing gave bisu enough time to build some army after that horible start....
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On December 14 2009 19:59 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 19:54 G.s)NarutO wrote:On December 14 2009 19:52 Oystein wrote: That was a crazy game, can`t believe Bisu came back after losing that many probes. Some really really clutch Push breaking that game, and insane micro early from turn. I'm not saying TurN is a newbie, but that timing push when you damage protoss so early is not a good idea. Its a newbie mistake if you ask me. You can just sit and wait because Protoss will most likely even cut eco to make up for the unit disadvantage and stop your push. If he manages to stop this timing push YOU are fucked. Doesn't matter if he doesn't have good eco then. To use your own words from the other thread "Why risk going into the lategame vs a superior player with much greater multitasking, when you can finish it early" He was soooo close at pushing all the way to the bridge and only some SICK push stopping from Bisu hindered him. Its a bit of a risk to do the push, but he had reduced his goon count with his early vults and mines and had amassed himself a good amount of tank, was on 5 fac + knew Bisu probably would not have speed yet so I still think its a pretty OK decision to go for the push, tho better players just might have sat back and try to ride the advantage.
You can actually end ZvT early if you have a really big advantage because Terran can't cut down economy and build up a strong enough army to kill you, because ZERG is the one having the crucial units. (lurkers many lings..)
When you watched the replay, Bisu had like 17 probes left(?) when the action stopped. TurN could either expand again and slow push or do that timing push and most probably fail...
This happened to me sooo many times, I better go into a later push which is not going to fail ~.~
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On December 14 2009 20:01 Un Gato wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 19:53 Naib wrote:On December 14 2009 19:50 Hyde wrote: GG
WOW BISU! WOW, just kept dismantling Turns pushes. Awesome micro from both players.
I think Turn will be a good addition to Khan What's up with native English speakers nowadays?^^ Nevertheless I agree with your statement, he looks promising. Also commendable that he didn't sit back and turtle for the sure win when he could, too bad (for him) that he played right into Bisu's hands with the overaggression... I've been staring at this and yet can't figure out why you bolded "addition." the guy originally wrote "edition"
*edit* oh, i was beaten
man turn's micro with his 3 tank push and those vult reinforcements was SO sexy. he'd push 1 vult forward, lay mines. when the goons targeted that vult/mine, the tanks would inch up and get a few free shots on the goons. god that is difficult to do.
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Bisu lacks any emotion. What he thought probably was: "Well, everything went exactly like I planed it to happen. What's up with everybody? Ordinary PvT, and not even close. Who's next?" >.<
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Im gonna be so mad if s2 somehow wins jangbi not giving us epic ace match
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I hope turn becomes a really good player for khan :D
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"should of" instead of "should have" made me cringe too but meh, I can't play the grammar police all day. Let's just focus on the games or something
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I still think TurN was the best zero points I've ever spent. but what can you do against an awesome player like Bisu. Looking forward to more games from TurN =)
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Looks like everyone's impressed on the commentator side. Even the guy who is always skeptical had some bad things to say, then changed his mind and said "Forget everything I said, this guy has what it takes to be big." Obviously the shuttle fake saved Bisu when precious seconds were ticking away. The final word was that TurN does really well when things are going the way he anticipated but perhaps not so well when they're not, but his mechanics are good and he's a player to watch. Bisu won that last one with sheer force of experience.
I'm personally pretty damn happy that Samsung has TurN. 
On December 14 2009 20:03 LosingID8 wrote: man turn's micro with his 3 tank push and those vult reinforcements was SO sexy. he'd push 1 vult forward, lay mines. when the goons targeted that vult/mine, the tanks would inch up and get a few free shots on the goons. god that is difficult to do. This is exactly what made the commentators say "Never mind, this guy has what it takes."
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On December 14 2009 20:01 fearus wrote: u know
if he sat backed and lost
every1 would have been raging at him harder for letting bisu recover.
But, if he had taken the nexus out with the vultures, just mining the ramp to main(before the probe bomb) and then sieged tanks to take out Bisus 3rd with loads of vultures to defend that ramp and back he could have outmacroed Bisu quickly with his 3 bases and slowly pushed to Bisus natural, no one would´ve raged at him because that would´ve probably been the right thing to do. Now Turn got a bit too greedy trying to end the game right there.
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I'm going to be so mad if SKT sends Hyuk to the ace to be slaughtered =/
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those tekken matches looked pretty good!
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As a Bisu fan and Khan fan, this game induced a heart attack.
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On December 14 2009 20:05 yoodeok wrote:Looks like everyone's impressed on the commentator side. Even the guy who is always skeptical had some bad things to say, then changed his mind and said "Forget everything I said, this guy has what it takes to be big." Obviously the shuttle fake saved Bisu when precious seconds were ticking away. The final word was that TurN does really well when things are going the way he anticipated but perhaps not so well when they're not, but his mechanics are good and he's a player to watch. Bisu won that last one with sheer force of experience. I'm personally pretty damn happy that Samsung has TurN.  I think turn should of known that after harassing bisu for so long and after seeing that he expanded, he should of known that it didn't contain a reaver. Turn just needs to be on the scene longer. I have hopes for this kid.
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On December 14 2009 20:07 Promises wrote: I'm going to be so mad if SKT sends Hyuk to the ace to be slaughtered =/
lol theyre definitely not sending a Zerg on match point Its Stork/Jangbi vs Fantasy/Bisu 100%
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On December 14 2009 20:06 HwangjaeTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 20:01 fearus wrote: u know
if he sat backed and lost
every1 would have been raging at him harder for letting bisu recover. But, if he had taken the nexus out with the vultures, just mining the ramp to main(before the probe bomb) and then sieged tanks to take out Bisus 3rd with loads of vultures to defend that ramp and back he could have outmacroed Bisu quickly with his 3 bases and slowly pushed to Bisus natural, no one would´ve raged at him because that would´ve probably been the right thing to do. Now Turn got a bit too greedy trying to end the game right there. If he lost everyone woulda raged that he threw away his advantage by being to passive, doesnt matter what the right thing to do was, if you lose ppl are going to rage. I personally think that an inferior player should always go for the kill rather than play a longer game, + Show Spoiler +but hey, Hyun outlasted Flash after he got an huge early game advantage
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Careful. s2 could surprise us. Maybe. I don't know.
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When was the last time T1 used a P/T that wasn't Bisu/Best/Fantasy/Canata?
OH RIGHT BOXER. FUCK ME.
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On December 14 2009 20:07 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 20:05 yoodeok wrote:Looks like everyone's impressed on the commentator side. Even the guy who is always skeptical had some bad things to say, then changed his mind and said "Forget everything I said, this guy has what it takes to be big." Obviously the shuttle fake saved Bisu when precious seconds were ticking away. The final word was that TurN does really well when things are going the way he anticipated but perhaps not so well when they're not, but his mechanics are good and he's a player to watch. Bisu won that last one with sheer force of experience. I'm personally pretty damn happy that Samsung has TurN.  I think turn should of known that after harassing bisu for so long and after seeing that he expanded, he should of known that it didn't contain a reaver. Turn just needs to be on the scene longer. I have hopes for this kid.
Now that just makes my eyes bleed, please "should have" dear sir. Please.
Back on topic: What kind of ace match guys?! s2 will slaughter JangBi's atrocious PvZ! (I hope at least )
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