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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
December 14 2009 11:02 GMT
#281
On December 14 2009 20:01 fearus wrote:
u know

if he sat backed and lost

every1 would have been raging at him harder for letting bisu recover.


Damn. Straight.
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
December 14 2009 11:02 GMT
#282
eh that fake shutle drop was amazing gave bisu enough time to build some army after that horible start....
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-14 11:03:02
December 14 2009 11:02 GMT
#283
On December 14 2009 19:59 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2009 19:54 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On December 14 2009 19:52 Oystein wrote:
That was a crazy game, can`t believe Bisu came back after losing that many probes. Some really really clutch Push breaking that game, and insane micro early from turn.


I'm not saying TurN is a newbie, but that timing push when you damage protoss so early is not a good idea. Its a newbie mistake if you ask me. You can just sit and wait because Protoss will most likely even cut eco to make up for the unit disadvantage and stop your push. If he manages to stop this timing push YOU are fucked. Doesn't matter if he doesn't have good eco then.

To use your own words from the other thread "Why risk going into the lategame vs a superior player with much greater multitasking, when you can finish it early"

He was soooo close at pushing all the way to the bridge and only some SICK push stopping from Bisu hindered him. Its a bit of a risk to do the push, but he had reduced his goon count with his early vults and mines and had amassed himself a good amount of tank, was on 5 fac + knew Bisu probably would not have speed yet so I still think its a pretty OK decision to go for the push, tho better players just might have sat back and try to ride the advantage.


You can actually end ZvT early if you have a really big advantage because Terran can't cut down economy and build up a strong enough army to kill you, because ZERG is the one having the crucial units. (lurkers many lings..)

When you watched the replay, Bisu had like 17 probes left(?) when the action stopped. TurN could either expand again and slow push or do that timing push and most probably fail...

This happened to me sooo many times, I better go into a later push which is not going to fail ~.~
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-14 11:04:18
December 14 2009 11:03 GMT
#284
On December 14 2009 20:01 Un Gato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2009 19:53 Naib wrote:
On December 14 2009 19:50 Hyde wrote:
GG

WOW BISU! WOW, just kept dismantling Turns pushes. Awesome micro from both players.

I think Turn will be a good addition to Khan


What's up with native English speakers nowadays?^^

Nevertheless I agree with your statement, he looks promising. Also commendable that he didn't sit back and turtle for the sure win when he could, too bad (for him) that he played right into Bisu's hands with the overaggression...

I've been staring at this and yet can't figure out why you bolded "addition."

the guy originally wrote "edition"

*edit*
oh, i was beaten

man turn's micro with his 3 tank push and those vult reinforcements was SO sexy. he'd push 1 vult forward, lay mines. when the goons targeted that vult/mine, the tanks would inch up and get a few free shots on the goons. god that is difficult to do.
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Toolshed
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
337 Posts
December 14 2009 11:03 GMT
#285
Bisu lacks any emotion. What he thought probably was: "Well, everything went exactly like I planed it to happen. What's up with everybody? Ordinary PvT, and not even close. Who's next?" >.<
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
December 14 2009 11:03 GMT
#286
Im gonna be so mad if s2 somehow wins jangbi not giving us epic ace match
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
FoBuLouS
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States570 Posts
December 14 2009 11:04 GMT
#287
I hope turn becomes a really good player for khan :D
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
December 14 2009 11:05 GMT
#288
"should of" instead of "should have" made me cringe too but meh, I can't play the grammar police all day. Let's just focus on the games or something
Complete the cycle!
Takeodesu
Profile Joined November 2009
United States21 Posts
December 14 2009 11:05 GMT
#289
I still think TurN was the best zero points I've ever spent. but what can you do against an awesome player like Bisu. Looking forward to more games from TurN =)
If you wait till the last minute it will only take a minute
yoodeok
Profile Joined April 2009
United States101 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-14 11:07:31
December 14 2009 11:05 GMT
#290
Looks like everyone's impressed on the commentator side. Even the guy who is always skeptical had some bad things to say, then changed his mind and said "Forget everything I said, this guy has what it takes to be big." Obviously the shuttle fake saved Bisu when precious seconds were ticking away. The final word was that TurN does really well when things are going the way he anticipated but perhaps not so well when they're not, but his mechanics are good and he's a player to watch. Bisu won that last one with sheer force of experience.

I'm personally pretty damn happy that Samsung has TurN.

On December 14 2009 20:03 LosingID8 wrote:
man turn's micro with his 3 tank push and those vult reinforcements was SO sexy. he'd push 1 vult forward, lay mines. when the goons targeted that vult/mine, the tanks would inch up and get a few free shots on the goons. god that is difficult to do.

This is exactly what made the commentators say "Never mind, this guy has what it takes."
Dad works for Samsung -> automatic rabid Samsung KHAN fanboy. Buy LG and I'll cut you
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
December 14 2009 11:06 GMT
#291
On December 14 2009 20:01 fearus wrote:
u know

if he sat backed and lost

every1 would have been raging at him harder for letting bisu recover.


But, if he had taken the nexus out with the vultures, just mining the ramp to main(before the probe bomb) and then sieged tanks to take out Bisus 3rd with loads of vultures to defend that ramp and back he could have outmacroed Bisu quickly with his 3 bases and slowly pushed to Bisus natural, no one would´ve raged at him because that would´ve probably been the right thing to do. Now Turn got a bit too greedy trying to end the game right there.
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Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
December 14 2009 11:07 GMT
#292
I'm going to be so mad if SKT sends Hyuk to the ace to be slaughtered =/
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
spetial
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States688 Posts
December 14 2009 11:07 GMT
#293
those tekken matches looked pretty good!
metal_survive @ uswest
cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
December 14 2009 11:07 GMT
#294
As a Bisu fan and Khan fan, this game induced a heart attack.
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
December 14 2009 11:07 GMT
#295
On December 14 2009 20:05 yoodeok wrote:
Looks like everyone's impressed on the commentator side. Even the guy who is always skeptical had some bad things to say, then changed his mind and said "Forget everything I said, this guy has what it takes to be big." Obviously the shuttle fake saved Bisu when precious seconds were ticking away. The final word was that TurN does really well when things are going the way he anticipated but perhaps not so well when they're not, but his mechanics are good and he's a player to watch. Bisu won that last one with sheer force of experience.

I'm personally pretty damn happy that Samsung has TurN.

I think turn should of known that after harassing bisu for so long and after seeing that he expanded, he should of known that it didn't contain a reaver. Turn just needs to be on the scene longer. I have hopes for this kid.
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samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
December 14 2009 11:08 GMT
#296
On December 14 2009 20:07 Promises wrote:
I'm going to be so mad if SKT sends Hyuk to the ace to be slaughtered =/


lol theyre definitely not sending a Zerg on match point
Its Stork/Jangbi vs Fantasy/Bisu 100%
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 14 2009 11:09 GMT
#297
On December 14 2009 20:06 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2009 20:01 fearus wrote:
u know

if he sat backed and lost

every1 would have been raging at him harder for letting bisu recover.


But, if he had taken the nexus out with the vultures, just mining the ramp to main(before the probe bomb) and then sieged tanks to take out Bisus 3rd with loads of vultures to defend that ramp and back he could have outmacroed Bisu quickly with his 3 bases and slowly pushed to Bisus natural, no one would´ve raged at him because that would´ve probably been the right thing to do. Now Turn got a bit too greedy trying to end the game right there.

If he lost everyone woulda raged that he threw away his advantage by being to passive, doesnt matter what the right thing to do was, if you lose ppl are going to rage. I personally think that an inferior player should always go for the kill rather than play a longer game,
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but hey, Hyun outlasted Flash after he got an huge early game advantage
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
December 14 2009 11:09 GMT
#298
Careful. s2 could surprise us. Maybe. I don't know.
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-14 11:10:29
December 14 2009 11:09 GMT
#299
When was the last time T1 used a P/T that wasn't Bisu/Best/Fantasy/Canata?

OH RIGHT BOXER.
FUCK ME.
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
December 14 2009 11:10 GMT
#300
On December 14 2009 20:07 MuffinDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2009 20:05 yoodeok wrote:
Looks like everyone's impressed on the commentator side. Even the guy who is always skeptical had some bad things to say, then changed his mind and said "Forget everything I said, this guy has what it takes to be big." Obviously the shuttle fake saved Bisu when precious seconds were ticking away. The final word was that TurN does really well when things are going the way he anticipated but perhaps not so well when they're not, but his mechanics are good and he's a player to watch. Bisu won that last one with sheer force of experience.

I'm personally pretty damn happy that Samsung has TurN.

I think turn should of known that after harassing bisu for so long and after seeing that he expanded, he should of known that it didn't contain a reaver. Turn just needs to be on the scene longer. I have hopes for this kid.


Now that just makes my eyes bleed, please "should have" dear sir. Please.

Back on topic: What kind of ace match guys?! s2 will slaughter JangBi's atrocious PvZ! (I hope at least)
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