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PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
December 04 2009 13:51 GMT
#361
Too bad Effort lost...
Definetly good job by Movie there
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Gryffindor_us
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States5606 Posts
December 04 2009 13:57 GMT
#362
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qpirateking
Profile Joined March 2009
United States17 Posts
December 04 2009 13:57 GMT
#363
On December 04 2009 22:45 Kreedit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2009 22:29 Gumbo wrote:
On December 04 2009 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 04 2009 20:30 JohnBall wrote:
On December 04 2009 20:27 Tyxiquale wrote:
Everything is falling into place for Flash to win either one of the leagues. Big names falling over, mediocre players going to the next stage, violet and lux out of both leagues, and owning it up in proleague..

if flash doesn't win a league this season, he never will.


There is still an obstacle on Flash's path, and a pretty big one: Jaedong.
Jaedong is going to win both leagues this season.


No way is Jaedong a favorite over Flash. Jaedongs ZvT is his worst matchup too.


No way is Flash a favorite over Jaedong. Jaedong is the best starcraft player in the world.

Wth??

Srsly?

Atm Flash is without a doubt the best player in the world bar none.

Jaedong has dropped to many games to people he shouldnt have lost in the first place(in his JvZ matchup to boot) while flash has just been tearing it up all over the place.

The problem with what you're saying is that Flash hasn't been "tearing it up" against Protoss. Flash admits this, and his record against good protoss hasn't been good. There isn't a matchup right now that JD really has a problem with unless you really want to read a lot into the losses in what has traditionally been a very volatile matchup.
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
December 04 2009 14:08 GMT
#364
Jaedong vs Flash is a 50/50.

Jaedong might have dropped a couple of games but he's still very beastly when it comes to games that matter.

Flash is looking good in TvZ. But most if not all of his victims weren't of his equal skill level. Yarnc could have been a good test if he hadn't been slumping like shit.

At the moment, Flash is looking ridiculously good. But that doesn't mean he's the best. I'm not a Flash hater, in fact I really love watching him play.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10986 Posts
December 04 2009 14:14 GMT
#365
Making anyone a favorite over Jaedong in a BO5, where he could prepare, is kinda stupid. He just stopped losing thse a few years ago ^^. Last season he had OSL + MSL to prepare for and won the more important game, the other he lost was GOM which, sadly, isn't worth much.

Flash is probably the only one right now that could beat JDy, but I wouldn't go over 50/50 chance.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 14:31:11
December 04 2009 14:18 GMT
#366
I will go out on a limb and say that EffOrt has better ZvT than Jaedong. Perhaps he doesn't have the confidence or experience to win a series againt an S-Class player like Flash but I find myself much more impressed with his ZvT than the dongs.

Jaedong even hints that EffOrt is better in the mu during the MSL group selection.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 14:20:48
December 04 2009 14:19 GMT
#367
On December 04 2009 23:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I will go out on a limb and say that EffOrt has better ZvT than Jaedong.


maybe, but if he keeps losing ZvZs like this... he can't even advance now can he?

edit: also lol remember when, in the words of the PR, "Jaedong is ZvT"? (though I guess it would be "was" now)
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 04 2009 14:32 GMT
#368
On December 04 2009 23:19 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2009 23:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I will go out on a limb and say that EffOrt has better ZvT than Jaedong.


maybe, but if he keeps losing ZvZs like this... he can't even advance now can he?

edit: also lol remember when, in the words of the PR, "Jaedong is ZvT"? (though I guess it would be "was" now)


That was when Jaedongs ZvP was considered terrible. Not really relevant anymore.
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lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
December 04 2009 14:35 GMT
#369
Well damn, that was a horrible set of games. All the zvz were better than thet pvp. ANd the zvz's sucked. Stork better beat Kwanro now.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 14:38:54
December 04 2009 14:37 GMT
#370
Uhh...Flash hasn't conclusively proven his TvP against the six dragons right now, and Jaedong's ZvZ is inconsistent as well. It's just that Jaedong plays more zergs that can ZvZ than Flash plays protoss that can PvT. Last time Flash took a victory against the six dragons that mattered was against Kal, in February.

But in the other MUs, Flash edges Jaedong out a bit because he's been so stable. This month, they're on par, but that would be disregarding their recent months beforehand.
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Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
December 04 2009 14:39 GMT
#371
For me it seems that Jaedong is simply training more for individual leagues than for pl. that's why is undefeated in both OSL and MSL while he is 8-5 in pl
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L_P_Monix
Profile Joined June 2009
Australia157 Posts
December 04 2009 14:42 GMT
#372
Really don't know what to make of Jaedong vs Flash at the moment. Flash's TvZ looks invincible lately, HOWEVER, if there is one person that you can always count on to absolutely ruin someone they are supposed to lose to in a series, it's Jaedong. Just ask Fantasy.
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 14:45:44
December 04 2009 14:43 GMT
#373
On December 04 2009 23:39 Art.FeeL wrote:
For me it seems that Jaedong is simply training more for individual leagues than for pl. that's why is undefeated in both OSL and MSL while he is 8-5 in pl


Can't say he's played any proven good players in the OSL and MSL though. go.go, pusan, crazyhydra. The only semi-proven good player he's beaten is Stats. But it was on the zerg campy map.

Also, damn it, type-b better beat Flash... comeon upsets!!!
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
December 04 2009 14:48 GMT
#374
Effort =/

I can't believe I'm rooting for shine to beat Calm now.
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
December 04 2009 14:56 GMT
#375
Wow, group A is gonna be so unmotivated to deliver any good games. go.go and Pusan are out so I hope both guys just cheese to make it interesting. I have to say, I am not that impressed with movie's wins here. Both wins came from cheese and rushes. Hope to see some standard an motivated play vs. Jaedong.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 04 2009 14:57 GMT
#376
On December 04 2009 21:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2009 20:30 JohnBall wrote:
On December 04 2009 20:27 Tyxiquale wrote:
Everything is falling into place for Flash to win either one of the leagues. Big names falling over, mediocre players going to the next stage, violet and lux out of both leagues, and owning it up in proleague..

if flash doesn't win a league this season, he never will.


There is still an obstacle on Flash's path, and a pretty big one: Jaedong.
Jaedong is going to win both leagues this season.


No way is Jaedong a favorite over Flash. Jaedongs ZvT is his worst matchup too.


historically, flash tends to lose against jaedong

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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10986 Posts
December 04 2009 15:05 GMT
#377
I really wouldn't mind Flash beating Jaedong. When these two play all I want are awesome games (unlike when Bisu plays which I just want to see getting humiliated :p).

But calling anyone a favorite over Jaedong in an important SERIES is just not very realistic.


In a BO1 i would probably favour Flash, in a BO3 or 5? No way.
Steveh
Profile Joined October 2009
United States112 Posts
December 04 2009 15:20 GMT
#378
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Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
December 04 2009 15:25 GMT
#379
On December 04 2009 23:43 lone_hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2009 23:39 Art.FeeL wrote:
For me it seems that Jaedong is simply training more for individual leagues than for pl. that's why is undefeated in both OSL and MSL while he is 8-5 in pl


Can't say he's played any proven good players in the OSL and MSL though. go.go, pusan, crazyhydra. The only semi-proven good player he's beaten is Stats. But it was on the zerg campy map.

Also, damn it, type-b better beat Flash... comeon upsets!!!


I would say go.go is a lot more proven than Stats, even if everyone dislikes him.
Zero fighting.
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
December 04 2009 15:58 GMT
#380
On December 04 2009 23:56 lone_hydra wrote:
Wow, group A is gonna be so unmotivated to deliver any good games. go.go and Pusan are out so I hope both guys just cheese to make it interesting. I have to say, I am not that impressed with movie's wins here. Both wins came from cheese and rushes. Hope to see some standard an motivated play vs. Jaedong.


JD vs Movie should still matter. It needs to be played in order to determine who finishes 1st and who finishes 2nd in the group, because I think that the ones who finished 2nd in their group will go on to meet someone who finished 1st in their group in the Ro8.
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