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[OSL] Ever 2009 OSL - Ro16 - Day 3 - Page 30

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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 02 2009 10:52 GMT
#581
On December 02 2009 19:51 deathgod6 wrote:
So Fantasy is out of the OSL because of this? wow.

No he's not. It's a round robin, he's 1-1 in his group. He'll be fine if he wins his next match.
God Bless
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
December 02 2009 10:52 GMT
#582
On December 02 2009 19:51 TwoToneTerran wrote:
No, Fantasy is 1-1 after beating Clam.

That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
December 02 2009 10:52 GMT
#583
On December 02 2009 19:51 deathgod6 wrote:
So Fantasy is out of the OSL because of this? wow.

no?

As long as Fantay wins EffOrt, he's very likely to advance
POGGERS
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 02 2009 10:52 GMT
#584
how was that strategy supposed to work !?

turrets vs mutas with vessels and a few rines and a wraith !?

like how to defend your vessels vs scourges when the turrets attack the mutas ?

this strategy was so weak !? It looked really strange and bad
hatred outlives the hateful
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
December 02 2009 10:52 GMT
#585
Even with irradiate i don't know what Fantasy was hoping to achieve . Progamers split mutas so fast he will barely save himself for a minute and shine will regroup and roll him over with that low of a marine count .
jon arbuckle
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada443 Posts
December 02 2009 10:52 GMT
#586
all Zerg top 4 let's do this
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Mondays
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
December 02 2009 10:52 GMT
#587
On December 02 2009 19:49 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:47 Malinor wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:46 konadora wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:45 Malinor wrote:
That was the worst TvZ build I have ever seen.

it would have worked if Shine didnt scout diagonally

meh.. gg


I really really doubt that. That build beats basically nothing.

if shine didn't scout diagonally, he wouldn't have seen the early factory

then he wouldn't have built sunkens or made simcities at his nat

then vultures would have raided and killed a few drones, buying time

meanwhile, vessel's irradiate would be done and by the time mutas come, there will be turrets + 2 vessels with irradiates


And when his drone wouldn't have scouted it, then he would have scouted it with some zerglings. He sees 2-3 Marines at most. Don't you think he would have figured out the factory then?

He was going 2 hatch anyway, the sunken would have been in time.

"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 02 2009 10:52 GMT
#588
Hell he can still qualify if he loses to Effort. All it relies on is Shine beating Clam.
Remember Violet.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 02 2009 10:52 GMT
#589
On December 02 2009 19:51 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:51 deathgod6 wrote:
So Fantasy is out of the OSL because of this? wow.


he's 1-1

but a win against calm/effort could be fucking difficult -___-


He raped Calm pretty hard. He needs to win vs EffOrt.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6124 Posts
December 02 2009 10:52 GMT
#590
On December 02 2009 19:49 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:47 Malinor wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:46 konadora wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:45 Malinor wrote:
That was the worst TvZ build I have ever seen.

it would have worked if Shine didnt scout diagonally

meh.. gg


I really really doubt that. That build beats basically nothing.

if shine didn't scout diagonally, he wouldn't have seen the early factory


Doesn't matter, Fantasy still should've factored in getting scouted early and play accordingly.

He choose to stick to the same build even after getting scouted and seeing 2 hatch muta
#1 Terran hater
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 02 2009 10:52 GMT
#591
On December 02 2009 19:51 deathgod6 wrote:
So Fantasy is out of the OSL because of this? wow.

Not even close. if he beats effort he advances unless Calm goes 2-0 vs effort/shine. If he loses to Effort he needs Effort to lose to Calm and Shine to beat Calm, then we would get a 3-way tie for 2nd place at 1-2
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
December 02 2009 10:53 GMT
#592
On December 02 2009 19:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:49 Kentor wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:46 Air2gear wrote:
Wow shine is better than I thought.

uh what? fantasy was just bad that game.


Funny. Effort had a bad game just the other day vs Shine, too...

Shine isn't good, his opponents have just bad days when he plays against them.
Coincidence, nothing more!
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
December 02 2009 10:53 GMT
#593
On December 02 2009 19:52 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:51 deathgod6 wrote:
So Fantasy is out of the OSL because of this? wow.

no?

As long as Fantay wins EffOrt, he's very likely to advance


Effort's vT of 2009 is the best matchup of this year (yes I ignore Iris 3-0ing him)
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-02 10:54:34
December 02 2009 10:53 GMT
#594
On December 02 2009 19:52 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
how was that strategy supposed to work !?

turrets vs mutas with vessels and a few rines and a wraith !?

like how to defend your vessels vs scourges when the turrets attack the mutas ?

this strategy was so weak !? It looked really strange and bad


On December 02 2009 19:49 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:47 Malinor wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:46 konadora wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:45 Malinor wrote:
That was the worst TvZ build I have ever seen.

it would have worked if Shine didnt scout diagonally

meh.. gg


I really really doubt that. That build beats basically nothing.

if shine didn't scout diagonally, he wouldn't have seen the early factory

then he wouldn't have built sunkens or made simcities at his nat

then vultures would have raided and killed a few drones, buying time

meanwhile, vessel's irradiate would be done and by the time mutas come, there will be turrets + 2 vessels with irradiates


The only two things that were probably not according to Fantasy's calculation was 1) early scouting success by shine, 2) shine getting scourges

On December 02 2009 19:52 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:49 konadora wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:47 Malinor wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:46 konadora wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:45 Malinor wrote:
That was the worst TvZ build I have ever seen.

it would have worked if Shine didnt scout diagonally

meh.. gg


I really really doubt that. That build beats basically nothing.

if shine didn't scout diagonally, he wouldn't have seen the early factory

then he wouldn't have built sunkens or made simcities at his nat

then vultures would have raided and killed a few drones, buying time

meanwhile, vessel's irradiate would be done and by the time mutas come, there will be turrets + 2 vessels with irradiates


And when his drone wouldn't have scouted it, then he would have scouted it with some zerglings. He sees 2-3 Marines at most. Don't you think he would have figured out the factory then?


It could also have meant 1 rax cc
POGGERS
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
December 02 2009 10:53 GMT
#595
On December 02 2009 19:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2009 19:49 Kentor wrote:
On December 02 2009 19:46 Air2gear wrote:
Wow shine is better than I thought.

uh what? fantasy was just bad that game.


Funny. Effort had a bad game just the other day vs Shine, too...


Yeah, if whenever someone plays Shine, he plays terrible, it might be because Shine is... BONJWA MATERIAL.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 02 2009 10:53 GMT
#596
Time to cheer for Flash, although I think Stork is more likely to win on HBR.

These past three games...terrible, just terrible. At least I'll get some sleep tonight.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
December 02 2009 10:53 GMT
#597
cmon fantasy, win an OSLLLLLLLLLL
oatboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States198 Posts
December 02 2009 10:54 GMT
#598
Flash vs Stork had better be amazing
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
December 02 2009 10:54 GMT
#599
The whole fantasy plan was around zerg making hydras. He knew the zerg will be able to scout early gas, and he included this in his plan. The bad part was with the drone re-entering his base, he certainly didn't plan this. And the fast mutas caught him off-guard. The second mistake he did was his turet placement, but I don't know if he would've been able to defend even with the first iradiate.
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iRemNanT
Profile Joined March 2009
United States51 Posts
December 02 2009 10:54 GMT
#600
FUCK YEAH SHINE!! =)
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