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KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
November 25 2009 18:16 GMT
#941
Bad night for STX wasn't it?
English Brood War Commentaries - Please Subscribe! youtube.com/dimecollectorsc... Winner of The "LeBron" Award for Best Rookie (FPL 5)
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
November 25 2009 19:58 GMT
#942
wtf @ that intro with the pictures
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
November 25 2009 20:06 GMT
#943
Saw Flash and Fantasy's games
both perfect perfect games

my 2 favorite terrans raping face

and ZerO beating Hwasin.
NICE
cw)minsean(ru
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
November 25 2009 20:09 GMT
#944
On November 25 2009 22:06 LetMeShine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 21:11 meeple wrote:
On November 25 2009 21:01 Holgerius wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:54 meeple wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:50 Holgerius wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:48 meeple wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:46 Holgerius wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:45 meeple wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:43 De4ngus wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:42 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
The Recommended games part in the OP is full of fail...

Haha yeah. Fantasy vs Calm wtf?


That was a perfect game... so what if it was a one-sided rape.

Flash vs Kwanro was also a perfect game and I wouldn't recommend it.


Flash vs Kwanro wasn't a perfect game... Flash just had awesome timing and Kwanro played greedy and didn't put 3 sunks like he should've

The same thing goes for Fantasy vs Clam; Clam expanded without making any Lair units and died.


He had lurkers on the way when he expanded, its just that fantasy took them out before they could do anything.

So; Fantasy attacked before lurkers were made, Flash attacked before sunkens were made. Both of them made zero mistakes in the games whereas their opponents played like B-teamers. None of the games were very entertaining from an objective perspective.


To be fair, fantasy was scouting incessantly for the expo so he could time his attack, which isn't so common for other terrans, and the lurkers weren't that late. Flash just made the normal early game mnm push that every other terran does and when he noticed that Kwanro didn't make enough sunkens he rushed in. I would say its more Kwanro's mistake than Flash's skill. Calm's build probably could've worked on most other terrans.


If those terrans are called FBH or Casy then maybe. Against good terrans like Sea or Light, it would not have any chance of working. Calm's gameplan wasn't bad because he needed to catch up economically and whatnot after he lost the overlords. But the 5 o'clock expo was absolute suicide due to the disparity between the number of terran and zerg ground units...I can't believe he thought it had a chance of working: Fantasy's SCV (who was simply sitting there) saw the two hydralisks and lone drone if I'm not mistaken. The drone massacre during the transfer simply sealed the outcome of the game.

Fantasy had so many units piling outside of Calm's natural that he had to use lurkers to hold a impending break and even then, if Fantasy was daring enough and microed correctly he could probably have taken those lurkers, which had little zergling support. Also the fact Calm had no mutalisks meant that Fantasy could just enter macro mode and completely skip turrets thus saving tons of minerals for tanks, marines, and more barracks.

Fantasy's game, overall, probably required less unit control than Flash's game as there was simply little requirement to as Fantasy played solidly, Calm had no units, was behind the whole game, and made a really, really awful decision which resulted in around 1k minerals lost. Flash's game was even worse, but at least it was laughable because of how quickly Kwanro lost; the Fantasy vs. Calm game was simply a massive disappointment because a good player like Calm completely didn't deliver the goods while Fantasy obviously brought his A game with him.

Seriously people, only the Hwasin vs. Zero game could be considered good to watch and that is not because of Hwasin's overall play but because of Zero's amazing plagues and his comeback. All the other games showed bad play overall by the loser, though Pusan's cheese was kind of cute.

ROFL. since when does a sunk break require unit control? did you watch the game at all? A-move the marines at the 1 colony and keep 1 firebat behind the M&M to protect against ling backstab. that level of control should be child's play for any B level ICCUP terran.
Yeah Fantasy had a huge advantage but he still had to deal with swarm and lurkers, which requires something other than A-move.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 20:35:39
November 25 2009 20:34 GMT
#945
On November 26 2009 05:09 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 22:06 LetMeShine wrote:
On November 25 2009 21:11 meeple wrote:
On November 25 2009 21:01 Holgerius wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:54 meeple wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:50 Holgerius wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:48 meeple wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:46 Holgerius wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:45 meeple wrote:
On November 25 2009 20:43 De4ngus wrote:
[quote]
Haha yeah. Fantasy vs Calm wtf?


That was a perfect game... so what if it was a one-sided rape.

Flash vs Kwanro was also a perfect game and I wouldn't recommend it.


Flash vs Kwanro wasn't a perfect game... Flash just had awesome timing and Kwanro played greedy and didn't put 3 sunks like he should've

The same thing goes for Fantasy vs Clam; Clam expanded without making any Lair units and died.


He had lurkers on the way when he expanded, its just that fantasy took them out before they could do anything.

So; Fantasy attacked before lurkers were made, Flash attacked before sunkens were made. Both of them made zero mistakes in the games whereas their opponents played like B-teamers. None of the games were very entertaining from an objective perspective.


To be fair, fantasy was scouting incessantly for the expo so he could time his attack, which isn't so common for other terrans, and the lurkers weren't that late. Flash just made the normal early game mnm push that every other terran does and when he noticed that Kwanro didn't make enough sunkens he rushed in. I would say its more Kwanro's mistake than Flash's skill. Calm's build probably could've worked on most other terrans.


If those terrans are called FBH or Casy then maybe. Against good terrans like Sea or Light, it would not have any chance of working. Calm's gameplan wasn't bad because he needed to catch up economically and whatnot after he lost the overlords. But the 5 o'clock expo was absolute suicide due to the disparity between the number of terran and zerg ground units...I can't believe he thought it had a chance of working: Fantasy's SCV (who was simply sitting there) saw the two hydralisks and lone drone if I'm not mistaken. The drone massacre during the transfer simply sealed the outcome of the game.

Fantasy had so many units piling outside of Calm's natural that he had to use lurkers to hold a impending break and even then, if Fantasy was daring enough and microed correctly he could probably have taken those lurkers, which had little zergling support. Also the fact Calm had no mutalisks meant that Fantasy could just enter macro mode and completely skip turrets thus saving tons of minerals for tanks, marines, and more barracks.

Fantasy's game, overall, probably required less unit control than Flash's game as there was simply little requirement to as Fantasy played solidly, Calm had no units, was behind the whole game, and made a really, really awful decision which resulted in around 1k minerals lost. Flash's game was even worse, but at least it was laughable because of how quickly Kwanro lost; the Fantasy vs. Calm game was simply a massive disappointment because a good player like Calm completely didn't deliver the goods while Fantasy obviously brought his A game with him.

Seriously people, only the Hwasin vs. Zero game could be considered good to watch and that is not because of Hwasin's overall play but because of Zero's amazing plagues and his comeback. All the other games showed bad play overall by the loser, though Pusan's cheese was kind of cute.

ROFL. since when does a sunk break require unit control? did you watch the game at all? A-move the marines at the 1 colony and keep 1 firebat behind the M&M to protect against ling backstab. that level of control should be child's play for any B level ICCUP terran.
Yeah Fantasy had a huge advantage but he still had to deal with swarm and lurkers, which requires something other than A-move.


Flash microed pretty well. He definitely didn't just a-move lol. if he a-moved he could have been taken out with a ling surround

watch uh Lomo vs Jaedong on Katrina for an example of a sunken break a-move that failed to a ling surround

flash danced his marines flawlessly to maximize the hp of his original force, perhaps a B terran could do that, but it was still unit control
RIP Aaliyah
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 25 2009 20:40 GMT
#946
Why does this (indirect) "Flash vs Fantasy" discussion always have to occur. Both players are insanely awesome, both raped their opponent tonight and they're both friends.
Minimal effort.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 25 2009 20:59 GMT
#947
ROFL CALM LOST
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
November 25 2009 21:02 GMT
#948
get it together calm D:
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
November 25 2009 21:09 GMT
#949
On November 26 2009 05:40 Uligor wrote:
Why does this (indirect) "Flash vs Fantasy" discussion always have to occur. Both players are insanely awesome, both raped their opponent tonight and they're both friends.

Yes. Let's all step back, have a cookie, and point and laugh at Jaedong's hatchery instead.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 25 2009 21:19 GMT
#950
its threads like these that make me hate reading LRs. Half of you need to stop trolling the thread with the useless progamer bashing. That shit was funny 2 years ago when a few people did it. Now everyone has a comment. It fucks up the entire thread reading "omg noob zerg!!1111"! for 2 pages straight.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
November 25 2009 21:29 GMT
#951
On November 26 2009 06:19 Ace wrote:
its threads like these that make me hate reading LRs. Half of you need to stop trolling the thread with the useless progamer bashing. That shit was funny 2 years ago when a few people did it. Now everyone has a comment. It fucks up the entire thread reading "omg noob zerg!!1111"! for 2 pages straight.


its people like you that make me lol

like anyone is gonna listen to you.
Breaking Bad
Cadical *
Profile Joined September 2005
United States469 Posts
November 25 2009 21:37 GMT
#952
Korean torrent file
http://www.speedyshare.com/files/19479018/_091125_EVERStarleague2009_R16.torrent
IMBA
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 25 2009 21:41 GMT
#953
I fail to see the 2 pages filled with ''omg noob zerg!!1111'' (haven't actually checked though). Of course people will express their dissatisfaction when a player is performing light years below their actual skill level. It's frustrating to watch. I feel that Clam robbed us of a highly anticipated clash between two top players by playing like an ass and he deserves a lot of criticism. Just saying ''Zomg Clam retard'' isn't a very good way of contributing of course, but I don't think a lot of people did that.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
November 25 2009 21:47 GMT
#954
On November 26 2009 05:40 Uligor wrote:
Why does this (indirect) "Flash vs Fantasy" discussion always have to occur. Both players are insanely awesome, both raped their opponent tonight and they're both friends.
You only say that because you know Flash is a better player than Fantasy. Of course you don't want a discussion you can never win. >.>

let the war continue!
honey_badger
Profile Joined October 2009
Djibouti46 Posts
November 25 2009 21:49 GMT
#955
Those were some crazy hydralisks Jaedong was controlling...
김명운 Queen Zerg
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
November 25 2009 22:10 GMT
#956
On November 26 2009 06:47 yhnmk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2009 05:40 Uligor wrote:
Why does this (indirect) "Flash vs Fantasy" discussion always have to occur. Both players are insanely awesome, both raped their opponent tonight and they're both friends.
You only say that because you know Flash is a better player than Fantasy. Of course you don't want a discussion you can never win. >.>

let the war continue!


Flash is a better player than everyone, though.
Remember Violet.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 25 2009 22:19 GMT
#957
On November 26 2009 07:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2009 06:47 yhnmk wrote:
On November 26 2009 05:40 Uligor wrote:
Why does this (indirect) "Flash vs Fantasy" discussion always have to occur. Both players are insanely awesome, both raped their opponent tonight and they're both friends.
You only say that because you know Flash is a better player than Fantasy. Of course you don't want a discussion you can never win. >.>

let the war continue!


Flash is a better player than everyone, though.

Jaedong with the Golden Mouse begs to differ.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
November 25 2009 22:26 GMT
#958
On November 26 2009 07:19 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2009 07:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On November 26 2009 06:47 yhnmk wrote:
On November 26 2009 05:40 Uligor wrote:
Why does this (indirect) "Flash vs Fantasy" discussion always have to occur. Both players are insanely awesome, both raped their opponent tonight and they're both friends.
You only say that because you know Flash is a better player than Fantasy. Of course you don't want a discussion you can never win. >.>

let the war continue!


Flash is a better player than everyone, though.

Jaedong with the Golden Mouse begs to differ.


How many OSLs had JD won when he was 17?
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 22:30:06
November 25 2009 22:29 GMT
#959
On November 26 2009 07:26 Orbifold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2009 07:19 Holgerius wrote:
On November 26 2009 07:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On November 26 2009 06:47 yhnmk wrote:
On November 26 2009 05:40 Uligor wrote:
Why does this (indirect) "Flash vs Fantasy" discussion always have to occur. Both players are insanely awesome, both raped their opponent tonight and they're both friends.
You only say that because you know Flash is a better player than Fantasy. Of course you don't want a discussion you can never win. >.>

let the war continue!


Flash is a better player than everyone, though.

Jaedong with the Golden Mouse begs to differ.


How many OSLs had JD won when he was 17?
You mean 16. Flash is still 16.

Edit: Im a moron, no hes not. Even more stupid cause I was born a day before Flash and KNEW that. I'll run away now hehe
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4755 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 22:33:42
November 25 2009 22:32 GMT
#960
On November 26 2009 07:26 Orbifold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2009 07:19 Holgerius wrote:
On November 26 2009 07:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On November 26 2009 06:47 yhnmk wrote:
On November 26 2009 05:40 Uligor wrote:
Why does this (indirect) "Flash vs Fantasy" discussion always have to occur. Both players are insanely awesome, both raped their opponent tonight and they're both friends.
You only say that because you know Flash is a better player than Fantasy. Of course you don't want a discussion you can never win. >.>

let the war continue!


Flash is a better player than everyone, though.

Jaedong with the Golden Mouse begs to differ.


How many OSLs had JD won when he was 17?


How long has it been since Flash won a StarLeague?
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
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