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[WCG] 2009 Final: Days 4 and 5 - Page 40

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ssj114
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Afghanistan461 Posts
November 14 2009 07:07 GMT
#781
On November 14 2009 16:06 QibingZero wrote:
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On November 14 2009 16:05 ssj114 wrote:
No one cares about 3 consecutive WCG finals?


Finishing in the top 3 of WCG Korea is much more impressive than getting to the finals at WCG itself.


And to get into 3 consecutive WCG finals, Stork had to finish in top 3 of WCG Korea 3 consecutive times? Easy?
Sandboxie + SUA + DEP, Windows Firewall + NAT Router
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-14 07:08:50
November 14 2009 07:07 GMT
#782
On November 14 2009 16:05 Spt.Worked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:02 OneOther wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:01 Spt.Worked wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:00 Myxomatosis wrote:
fucking horrible games.



this is all I have been trying to point out before 10 kids freaked out on me. All I am trying to say is this WCG sucks because our foreigners cannot even give the koreans a game worth watching anymore. It is sad.

uh lol this is completely different from what you were originally arguing



No actually it is not. My first post said that this WCG sucks and that our new foreigners are not as good as the old foreigners.... I think I am being proven right considering we have 0 foreigners left and other than Advokate taking a game from JD the rest were just complete rapes. And until I see this Advokate game I am gonna assume JD was being cocky and got beat by a cheese rush.

I dont think the level of foreigners has gone down. Its just that korea got so far ahead. The reasons most of games are like this is because korea sent their absolute best. The reason in the old wcg foreigners showed better games is not because these old foreigners were better than the new ones it was the korean scene wasnt as developed so the gap between the two was a lot smaller.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
November 14 2009 07:07 GMT
#783
On November 14 2009 16:05 ssj114 wrote:
No one cares about 3 consecutive WCG finals?


I think people care more about 3 consecutive WCG final silver. (or I am wrong about that)
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
November 14 2009 07:07 GMT
#784
On November 14 2009 16:06 QibingZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:05 ssj114 wrote:
No one cares about 3 consecutive WCG finals?


Finishing in the top 3 of WCG Korea is much more impressive than getting to the finals at WCG itself.


Stork got 3 silvers at WCG Korea if I remember correctly =D

I love stork
Jaedong :3
pilot-
Profile Joined April 2008
Germany75 Posts
November 14 2009 07:07 GMT
#785
mad props to kolll for getting that far
RaiSad
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States325 Posts
November 14 2009 07:07 GMT
#786
On November 14 2009 16:06 QibingZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:05 ssj114 wrote:
No one cares about 3 consecutive WCG finals?


Finishing in the top 3 of WCG Korea is much more impressive than getting to the finals at WCG itself.


then only Stork have done it
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
November 14 2009 07:07 GMT
#787
On November 14 2009 15:57 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
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On November 14 2009 15:51 Spt.Worked wrote:
last thing I will post here since I can see all of you think the new school foreigners are so great.

if guys like Fisheye, Mondi, Blackman, Testie, Elky, Draco were in their youth and playing BW as much as the new foreigners at this time. They would be far far far better than what we are seeing from these foreigners at WCG. Back in the day the Foreigners were 1 maybe 2 steps behind the koreans. Today, the new crew of foreigners do not even belong to be in the same game as the koreans. Koll our last foreigner left looks like a D- iccup player vs Stork right now. That is what my point is, the old school players had more NATURAL skill bye all ~~~


Hmmm i recall boxer making blackman look like a complete newbie on lost temple at WCG.

Ok now this is where you dismiss this point and make another one.

Your an idiot, this is to the guy who thinks foreigners now are worse. Do you not realize how much the koreans play???? Since then there practice got ramped up to 10 hours at the least. Like your fucking kidding right? Do you have any idea, the royal raping new school koreans do to the old school crew? And natural talent is bs coming from a kid who has never spoken to a single good player in your life. Because they practiced the same amount as these new guys, mondragon spent ridiculous amounts of time perfecting his style. AND A HUGE FYI, new school kids just took games from pros, they do all the all the time, rets taken a game off of kal, white ra and g-5 beat boxer (which your old school kids could not do). Your lack of understanding of the scene serves as nothing but a laughing point for the rest of us.
Taek Bang
Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
November 14 2009 07:08 GMT
#788
foreigners scene was so much stronger back in the day... testie taking games off oov and midas.. almost beating the former in a bo3. legionnaire getting 3rd, androide 2nd. mondragon took a game off savior last year. we used to have foreigners who were actually good like testie, mondragon, androide, draco etc. i realize thatsome of these guys sytill play but they are not nearly as competitive as they once were .
ZlyKiss
Profile Joined April 2006
Poland697 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-14 07:09:03
November 14 2009 07:08 GMT
#789
On November 14 2009 16:06 ssj114 wrote:
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On November 14 2009 16:05 ZlyKiss wrote:
this is sad, not a single competitive game from foreigners this year


Jaedong lost a game to Advokate? Stork lost a game to PJ?


didnt see it, there was some controversy about results when i woke up
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
November 14 2009 07:08 GMT
#790
On November 14 2009 16:05 Spt.Worked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:02 OneOther wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:01 Spt.Worked wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:00 Myxomatosis wrote:
fucking horrible games.



this is all I have been trying to point out before 10 kids freaked out on me. All I am trying to say is this WCG sucks because our foreigners cannot even give the koreans a game worth watching anymore. It is sad.

uh lol this is completely different from what you were originally arguing



No actually it is not. My first post said that this WCG sucks and that our new foreigners are not as good as the old foreigners.... I think I am being proven right considering we have 0 foreigners left and other than Advokate taking a game from JD the rest were just complete rapes. And until I see this Advokate game I am gonna assume JD was being cocky and got beat by a cheese rush.

You can't seem to comprehend more than a single sentence at a time so I'll put this down for you to process for the next 10 minutes.
Koreans are better now than in the past by a large magnitude.
twitter: @terrancem
jiabung
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States720 Posts
November 14 2009 07:08 GMT
#791
scouts can't be used in a normal PvZ with protoss fe and normal spire timing by zerg. It takes longer to build and can't dodge scourge so it would probably die before scouting the z base or killing anything.

still amazing show of scout micro by stork. i actually think it could be effective on outsider if zerg only has slow hydras to defend the drones at that min only.
Spt.Worked
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada48 Posts
November 14 2009 07:09 GMT
#792
--- Nuked ---
EverydayStruggle
Profile Joined November 2009
United States77 Posts
November 14 2009 07:09 GMT
#793
Jaedong vs Bisu hype, STARTING NOW!

GOGOGOG!
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
pilot-
Profile Joined April 2008
Germany75 Posts
November 14 2009 07:09 GMT
#794
[/QUOTE]
I dont think the level of foreigners has gone down. Its just that korea got so far ahead. The reasons most of games are like this is because korea sent their absolute best. [/QUOTE]

THIS
ssj114
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Afghanistan461 Posts
November 14 2009 07:09 GMT
#795
Seriously guys, Stork is undisputedly the greatest WCG Starcraft player of all time. I guess you can argue that Boxer is still ahead, considering he has 2 gold medals. But Stork could have 2 golds and 1 silver if he wins the final tomorrow.
Sandboxie + SUA + DEP, Windows Firewall + NAT Router
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 14 2009 07:10 GMT
#796
On November 14 2009 16:08 Myxomatosis wrote:
foreigners scene was so much stronger back in the day... testie taking games off oov and midas.. almost beating the former in a bo3. legionnaire getting 3rd, androide 2nd. mondragon took a game off savior last year. we used to have foreigners who were actually good like testie, mondragon, androide, draco etc. i realize thatsome of these guys sytill play but they are not nearly as competitive as they once were .

....

foreigners got better
koreans got better by a much larger margin
therefore foreigners do worse now

i hope this makes sense

StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
November 14 2009 07:10 GMT
#797
On November 14 2009 16:07 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:05 Spt.Worked wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:02 OneOther wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:01 Spt.Worked wrote:
On November 14 2009 16:00 Myxomatosis wrote:
fucking horrible games.



this is all I have been trying to point out before 10 kids freaked out on me. All I am trying to say is this WCG sucks because our foreigners cannot even give the koreans a game worth watching anymore. It is sad.

uh lol this is completely different from what you were originally arguing



No actually it is not. My first post said that this WCG sucks and that our new foreigners are not as good as the old foreigners.... I think I am being proven right considering we have 0 foreigners left and other than Advokate taking a game from JD the rest were just complete rapes. And until I see this Advokate game I am gonna assume JD was being cocky and got beat by a cheese rush.

I dont think the level of foreigners has gone down. Its just that korea got so far ahead. The reasons most of games are like this is because korea sent their absolute best.


Even if Korea didn't send their best, I don't think the outcome would have been any different. I've never seen Stork open with 1 base probe suicide, 1 zeal harass into scout harass into mass goons sunken break. EVER. I've seen a few times with a mass goon timing break but Stork vs Koll was just abysmal.
PfiliTehDwarf
Profile Joined December 2006
Germany66 Posts
November 14 2009 07:10 GMT
#798
On November 14 2009 16:03 MuffinDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 16:01 Spt.Worked wrote:
this is all I have been trying to point out before 10 kids freaked out on me. All I am trying to say is this WCG sucks because our foreigners cannot even give the koreans a game worth watching anymore. It is sad.

Pj, a relatively new foreigner > all old foreigner


PJ has been playing SC for 9 years...
I hardly believe that you can call him a relatively new foreigner

its quite astounding though that he is able to play at that level for so long
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
November 14 2009 07:10 GMT
#799
On November 14 2009 16:05 ZlyKiss wrote:
this is sad, not a single competitive game from foreigners this year


What about Pj vs Bisu in the group stage? I thought it wasn't too bad. Also, both Stork and JD dropped a game in the quarters against Pj and Advokate, respectively. I did not watch them in livestream but I imagine if they took a game off each of their opponents, the game should have been competitive.
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ruffe
Profile Joined November 2009
China40 Posts
November 14 2009 07:10 GMT
#800
it seems koll did not cause trouble for stork as pj did.
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