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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/SilverskY/EVERSL2.jpg) October 30th @ 18:30 KST on OnGameNet Games: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/190.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/544.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/68.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/liquibet/players/noimage.jpg)  Hwasin vs Game 1 Winner![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/DoctorHelvetica/predictions.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/DoctorHelvetica/resulddddts.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/DoctorHelvetica/recomfffffmended.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/DoctorHelvetica/howtawatchcc.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/DoctorHelvetica/voeorer.jpg) Poll: Who will win the first game? (Vote): Luxury (Vote): Guemchi Poll: Who will advance? (Vote): Luxury (Vote): Guemchi (Vote): Hwasin Poll: Who are you rooting for? (Vote): Luxury (Vote): Guemchi (Vote): Hwasin | ||
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hku
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DoctorHelvetica
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Vasoline73
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Roffles
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Presony-Boy
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i really hope hwasin wont cheese or play mech (assuming luxury beats guemchi), i wanna see bio. | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
Never gave up on him, he'll be back : ) | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
They're easy to make so I think I'll do them for all my LR threads now  | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
Won't be at home, stream will be unmanaged once again. If stream dies, well good luck  | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
On October 30 2009 17:53 Presony-Boy wrote: Red Sniper fighting! i really hope hwasin wont cheese or play mech (assuming luxury beats guemchi), i wanna see bio. No he will cheese. Don't worry about it. I expect proxy 8rax into mech both games. Maybe just flat out BBS with all in SCVs. If Hwasin plays a macro game against Lux I will be very surprised. I am being somewhat sarcastic btw guys  . I don't really hate Hwasin that much | ||
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Holgerius
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
On October 30 2009 18:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do you guys like my little bars? They're easy to make so I think I'll do them for all my LR threads now I like! These LR threads just keep on getting more professional looking. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Streams up. | ||
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Black Gun
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JohnColtrane
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nayumi
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Doso
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Maps Z>P. Luxury (Z) > Guemchi (P). So according to OSL logic, Guemchi will advance \o/ | ||
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deth
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ATLAS-3.04
United States190 Posts
On October 30 2009 18:17 Roffles wrote: http://tv.zeroboy.net/roffles - I guess I'll stream this. Might have to leave an hour in, but we'll see. Perfect stream. Thanks! | ||
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chongu
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On October 30 2009 18:29 dethrawr wrote: please, hwasin win FOR THE LOVE OF GOD so we dont get more zvz finals ;_; Well said | ||
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HaXXspetten
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Infenwe
Denmark170 Posts
Rooting for Hwasin! Not that I don't like Luxury, but as others have said... WTB more diverse top 16. | ||
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
And Hwasin always qualifies for Starleagues, so you'd better LB for him! | ||
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Vasoline73
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HaXXspetten
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lux at 1:30 guemchi at 4:30 | ||
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Roffles
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HaXXspetten
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or was it 7? did'nt really see | ||
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Holgerius
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On October 30 2009 18:38 Uraeus wrote: His MnM micro is next to none, especially vs lurkers. Flash begs to differ. | ||
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Womwomwom
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Lux attacks Guemchi's base but the hydralisks melt to storms. Dark templars in his base killing lots of shit and he can't do anything because he has no units. | ||
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Itachii
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HaXXspetten
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Guess not... damn | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On October 30 2009 18:51 Itachii wrote: Is this the same Luxury from PL? The Luxury in PL never played ZvPs in PL or ever proved himself in the mu this season/ the one before it. + he just lost recently to Bisu 0-2, the only thing Luxury was good at ZvP was making a shitload of hydra and winning in the midgame | ||
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motbob
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lose guemchi lose | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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On October 30 2009 18:52 samachking wrote: The Luxury in PL never played ZvPs in PL or ever proved himself in the mu this season/ the one before it. + he just lost recently to Bisu 0-2, the only thing Luxury was good at ZvP was making a shitload of hydra and winning in the midgame I don't think he was even good at that, it was pretty much some kind of all of early attack every game. The ones where it got to early midgame was just that the previous attack didn't kill the opponent but dealt enough damage to cripple them anyway. | ||
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Itachii
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On October 30 2009 18:52 samachking wrote: The Luxury in PL never played ZvPs in PL or ever proved himself in the mu this season/ the one before it. + he just lost recently to Bisu 0-2, the only thing Luxury was good at ZvP was making a shitload of hydra and winning in the midgame I meant his overall play rather than his ZvP.. you just don't usually play that badly when you are 5-1 in PL. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On October 30 2009 18:55 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I don't think he was even good at that, it was pretty much some kind of all of early attack every game. The ones where it got to early midgame was just that the previous attack didn't kill the opponent but dealt enough damage to cripple them anyway. Touché... BTW: game 2 starting, Lux at 8 Guemchi at 4 | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
And hey guys Lux beat Bisu on Collo in that ace match without cheese. He can pull it out pretty well. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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On October 30 2009 18:57 Itachii wrote: I meant his overall play rather than his ZvP.. you just don't usually play that badly when you are 5-1 in PL. His ZvP has pretty much always been this bad. Even he knows it, which is why he pretty much never attempts to go for a long game in zvp. | ||
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Urth
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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I don't know why P's playing lux don't just lay a fuckton of canons every game, it's not like he's going to beat you once his all in fails. | ||
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Womwomwom
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On October 30 2009 18:57 Itachii wrote: I meant his overall play rather than his ZvP.. you just don't usually play that badly when you are 5-1 in PL. Just because he can do well against Zergs and Terrans.does not mean he can do well against Protoss. A few progamers seem to turn really retarded when the play certain races: you can really see this with Hyuk against Terran and the Firebathero against Protoss. And someone types ppp. | ||
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SilverskY
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Chen
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Edit, NVM. can anyone translate what is wrong? | ||
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nayumi
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myzael
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EDIT: Well, there are many ways to interpret | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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On October 30 2009 19:03 SilverskY wrote: I wonder what Lux is thinking about at this time. probably just reminding himself how many drones required for a 2 hatch hydra all in :p | ||
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Itachii
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On October 30 2009 19:03 SilverskY wrote: I wonder what Lux is thinking about at this time. his game? | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
They are replacing his monitor now. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
On October 30 2009 19:01 Womwomwom wrote: Just because he can do well against Zergs and Terrans.does not mean he can do well against Protoss. A few progamers seem to turn really retarded when the play certain races: you can really see this with Hyuk against Terran and the Firebathero against Protoss. And someone types ppp. Luxury is not THAT bad at ZvP. Comparing it to FBH v Protoss??? -_-;;;;;;;. He's almost 60% in the MU | ||
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nayumi
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+ Show Spoiler + not | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On October 30 2009 19:05 Itachii wrote: Guemchi with no monitor, thats called being true bonjwa. Against Lux's vP? Guemchi can deal with it for sure. | ||
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myzael
Poland605 Posts
On October 30 2009 19:05 Itachii wrote: Guemchi with no monitor, thats called being true bonjwa. Reminds me of Tasteless live translation: "I can own these noobs 8vs1 without monitor" | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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SilverSkyLark
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On October 30 2009 19:06 Garnet wrote: Why not LCD? more color display issues | ||
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ThePhan2m
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On October 30 2009 19:06 Garnet wrote: Why not LCD? they have reaction time delay, couple of milli seconds, still enough to matter i think | ||
GTR
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On October 30 2009 19:07 myzael wrote: Reminds me of Tasteless live translation: "I can own these noobs 8vs1 without monitor" "you can't even have 9 people in one game" | ||
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SilverSkyLark
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On October 30 2009 19:07 myzael wrote: Reminds me of Tasteless live translation: "I can own these noobs 8vs1 without monitor" "..and we can't even play 9 players on one game, that's how good I am." | ||
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Roffles
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
You are mixing up Lux and Yarnc. Yarnc is the one who couldnt beat  Jaehoon or Snow.  Luxury has very respectable ZvP, Just look at his WCG game 1 vs Bisu | ||
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HaXXspetten
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On October 30 2009 19:07 shinsah wrote: luxury should just drop him and take the win =) Damn straight! Can lux unpause the game ? If so he could just destroy all of guemchi's buildings | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On October 30 2009 19:09 myzael wrote: Is it ironic, or you just don't remember the quote? I wrote 8vs1 on purpose. lol it's you who doesn't remember, haha. Tasteless said that part too..go check it.:D | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2009 19:08 Roffles wrote: Why isn't my stream in the OP yet? Just wondering... because I am busy commentating sorry, I'll add it. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
On October 30 2009 19:06 Garnet wrote: Why not LSD? Too much BUHTTERFLIESS!!!!!! Yeah I might´ve misread. | ||
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shinsah
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Chen
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lokiM
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On October 30 2009 19:01 samachking wrote: OO, how the heck does lux plan on securing that faraway base. you really dont know anything about zvp | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
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On October 30 2009 19:14 Chen wrote: Translation plz? what is that women saying? DQ? No, there was something wrong with the monitor because they replaced it. | ||
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myzael
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Black Gun
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HaXXspetten
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lux at 4 guemchi at 8 reverse of last time | ||
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ThePhan2m
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On October 30 2009 19:16 Liquid_Turbo wrote: I don't even get how LAN'd computers can disconnect. by unplugging the cable? | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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On October 30 2009 19:09 Chen wrote: You are mixing up Lux and Yarnc. Yarnc is the one who couldnt beat Jaehoon or Snow. Luxury has very respectable ZvP, Just look at his WCG game 1 vs Bisu The game where he went allinish lings followed by mutas that caught bisu offguard, and then still lost the game. Or the one where he got totally dismantled trying to play straight up? | ||
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lokiM
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On October 30 2009 19:16 Liquid_Turbo wrote: I don't even get how LAN'd computers can disconnect. was probably something to do with the computer/monitor not the LAN connection | ||
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Vasoline73
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On October 30 2009 19:17 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: The game where he went allinish lings followed by mutas that caught bisu offguard, and then still lost the game. Or the one where he got totally dismantled trying to play straight up? Maybe this one in an important PL playoff ace match! http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/9720_Bisu_vs_Luxury/vod Looks straight up to me :D | ||
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Womwomwom
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On October 30 2009 19:04 Vasoline73 wrote: Luxury is not THAT bad at ZvP. Comparing it to FBH v Protoss??? -_-;;;;;;;. He's almost 60% in the MU I was simply making a statement that a player's overall good quality of play doesn't mean he won't perform particularly badly in another matchup - Firebathero was actually pretty darn good at TvZ preslump and still is pretty solid at TvT yet for some reason is horrid at TvP and Hyuk is ripping top protoss and zerg players apart this season but seems to still have trouble against terrans. He might not be bad at ZvP but he hasn't really convinced me that he can really reliably play a long game against protoss as just about all of his games against the better protoss players, such as Stork, are extremely short. | ||
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HaXXspetten
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and guemchi ggs | ||
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Urth
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On October 30 2009 19:24 Fish_Baguettes wrote: That hidden expo really helped for Luxury that game what?? lol | ||
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samachking
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Standard lux hydra break, he did this a million times vs everyone the season he won the MSL. Storm was extremely late here though :/ | ||
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myzael
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On October 30 2009 19:24 Fish_Baguettes wrote: That hidden expo really helped for Luxury that game How come was it hidden? | ||
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Itachii
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On October 30 2009 19:25 nayumi wrote: lol typical ZvP these days ... i didnt see any mutas sniping hts and making p vulnerable to this crap loads of hydras, did you? | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:25 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: and now that the hydra bust has been done, i'm betting muta ling bust this game. no this is how it works 5pool Early Hydra nat bust 3hatling or 2hat hydra | ||
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Lux at: 9 Guemchi at: 3 | ||
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Guemchi builds a pylon delaying Lux's natural expansion. | ||
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Chen
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On October 30 2009 19:26 Itachii wrote: i didnt see any mutas sniping hts and making p vulnerable to this crap loads of hydras, did you? How about Hydras sniping HTs making the P vulnerable to the crap load of hydras that were still there? I'm thinking theme is that hydras>>>>>>>>>P without storm | ||
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Fish_Baguettes
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Was the expo at 12 discovered by Guemchi? I thought he never found it | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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On October 30 2009 19:26 samachking wrote: no this is how it works 5pool Early Hydra nat bust 3hatling or 2hat hydra I'm hoping luxury will want some variety. He may only do all ins, but luckily there are enough Zerg allins and semi allins to keep it unpredictable vs P :D | ||
MrHoon
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Kim's Curse doesn't only work in starcraft, but also when we have drinks times like that we really wish the curse never existed lololol | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:29 Chen wrote: How about Hydras sniping HTs making the P vulnerable to the crap load of hydras that were still there? I'm thinking theme is that hydras>>>>>>>>>P without storm Guemchi should have morphed archon, guess he thought that he could hold hydras with pure cannons till storm was ready I wouldn't call that typical ZvP these days | ||
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Urth
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On October 30 2009 19:29 Fish_Baguettes wrote: Was the expo at 12 discovered by Guemchi? I thought he never found it 3 base is standard vs FE, he doesn't have to see it to know it's there | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:29 Chen wrote: How about Hydras sniping HTs making the P vulnerable to the crap load of hydras that were still there? I'm thinking theme is that hydras>>>>>>>>>P without storm Protoss can counter mass hydras + mutalisk by going corsair/reaver. | ||
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GinNtoniC
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could have at least morphed those two DTs. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
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So DTs become imba... | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:36 ProbeSaturation wrote: why does everyone fail with DA's not everyone, but lux saw him too soon and had time to prepare properly | ||
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MrHoon
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WTF LUX | ||
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Black Gun
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but still lux has a huge army while guemchi does not.. | ||
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MrHoon
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god what a lol-worthy game | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
On October 30 2009 19:39 Uraeus wrote: Lol. What's the opposite of storm dodging? Storm chasing? | ||
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pR0gR4m3R
Spain1446 Posts
On October 30 2009 19:39 Uraeus wrote: Lol. What's the opposite of storm dodging? Luxury´s mutas micro?? xDDD | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:39 Uraeus wrote: Lol. What's the opposite of storm dodging? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormchasing duh! edit: doh beaten to it | ||
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hmm | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:37 Infenwe wrote: LOLFAIL! He just maelstromed his own zeals On October 30 2009 19:37 MrHoon wrote: DARK ARCHON FAILLLLL On October 30 2009 19:38 SilverskY wrote: Failstrom. And here comes the Muta show. On October 30 2009 19:38 Jackal03 wrote: AWESOME storm, killed all the mutas! On October 30 2009 19:38 MrHoon wrote: LOL LUXURY FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WTF LUX On October 30 2009 19:39 MrHoon wrote: lux still has this game haha god what a lol-worthy game lol | ||
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and no templars | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:41 Itachii wrote: lol Pretty much sums up this game LOL. | ||
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NOOOOOOO LUXURY | ||
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he got his 3rd secured now and lux should mine out earlier than him. | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:43 MrHoon wrote: NOOOOOO LUX NOOOO DONT OVEREXTEND Aha, but then he would have to play a long game, and even he knows he doesn't want to try that vs p | ||
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WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY | ||
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imho guemchi is ahead now. | ||
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HURRRYYYYY | ||
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But i guess losing crap loads of hydras while p is teching and having eco advantage from unprotected 3rd is better. | ||
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impresive play by guemchi | ||
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Time to test that TvP again! | ||
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 Machine-10, I give this Zerg Machine. | ||
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this day blows | ||
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Dude, that's so cruel! :p edit: to Machine that is ^^ | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:48 IH4t3z3rg wrote: Well done Guemchi! I am starting to like u man!!! | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:49 Liquid_Turbo wrote: Thought Guemchi was going to lose soo many times. Miraculously held that 3rd Nexus.. He didn't even try to snipe it, its not miracle, its stupidity of the zerg. | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:49 Liquid_Turbo wrote: Thought Guemchi was going to lose soo many times. Miraculously held that 3rd Nexus.. it was no miracle, it was pure stupidity by lux. sniping that pylong would have been so easy, and then guemchi would have run out of fuel very soon. | ||
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HAHAHA! I'll have to show this to him when he gets back. =p | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:50 iLoveKT wrote: I still dont get why this guy won an MSL. The protoss was as clueless as him in the matchup. | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:50 MrHoon wrote: Hwasin you better damn win | ||
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Nice try with adding a DA to the 2 archon push | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:51 Camlito wrote: The protoss was as clueless as him in the matchup. So true. | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:47 Womwomwom wrote: Oh wow Lux loses on HBR in a straight up game... Lol it was pretty much lux stumbling from one attempt to end the game immediately into another. All assisted by guemchi's terrible opening. | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:50 iLoveKT wrote: I still dont get why this guy won an MSL. dont underestimate the power of mass hydra/hydra breaks ZvP + all in backstabs ZvT + sick ass muta micro in ZvP/T. His ZvZ was the real deal too, dont forget he also won a WCG with the same stuff | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:51 dnosrc wrote: Guemchi deserved that! Nice try with adding a DA to the 2 archon push guemchi deserved to lose, but luxury just wanted to fail so badly | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:50 MrHoon wrote: Hwasin you better damn win | ||
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T_T | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:49 Liquid_Turbo wrote: Thought Guemchi was going to lose soo many times. Miraculously held that 3rd Nexus.. Lux was pretty much 1a2a3aing his hydralisks. The 3rd Nexus held because he forgot what target fire means. When I compared Lux to FBH it was obviously an exaggeration since very few players can be worse than FBH in that matchup but you could kind of tell he doesn't really know how to templar snipe or storm dodge. Dude was losing mutalisks are hydralisks to storm like every second. | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:52 samachking wrote: dont underestimate the power of mass hydra/hydra breaks ZvP + all in backstabs ZvT + sick ass muta micro in ZvP/T. His ZvZ was the real deal too, dont forget he also won a WCG with the same stuff Lux's ZvT and ZvZ was the real deal. His ZvP... Well... Eh, his ZvP sucked since 2007 Cmon guys, atleast Lux is so much more likable than Fake Yellow | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:50 iLoveKT wrote: I still dont get why this guy won an MSL. oh yeah, you're a true fan of KT | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:54 MrHoon wrote: Lux's ZvT and ZvZ was the real deal. His ZvP... Well... Eh, his ZvP sucked since 2007 Cmon guys, atleast Lux is so much more likable than Fake Yellow His 08 ZvP was pretty darn good, lets not forget that he was the one who started this mass hydra into Muta snipe into GG trend, it might have not been pretty, but he was pretty good at it and had sick ass macro, I still remember him destroying Bisu in the 2008 Playoffs semis Ace match yeah his ZvT was the real deal, I now remember that rape series vs Flash. what was on my head was the series vs Leta when I wrote the post | ||
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will we see the underdog win this one too? | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:53 Womwomwom wrote: Lux was pretty much 1a2a3aing his hydralisks. The 3rd Nexus held because he forgot what target fire means. When I compared Lux to FBH it was obviously an exaggeration since very few players can be worse than FBH in that matchup but you could kind of tell he doesn't really know how to templar snipe or storm dodge. Dude was losing mutalisks are hydralisks to storm like every second. oh come on...he was dodging storms pretty well with his hydras, more towards the end, maybe he could have done a little better but it wasnt as bad as u make it seem. the only thing (but i guess its huge) is losing 11 mutas to 1 storm...but its understandable, he went back to macro and left his mutas for 2 seconds.. | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:55 samachking wrote: His 08 ZvP was pretty darn good, lets not forget that he was the one who started this mass hydra into Muta snipe into GG trend, it might have not been pretty, but he was pretty good at it and had sick ass macro, I still remember him destroying Bisu in the 2008 Playoffs semis Ace match Actually, the player who started the muta snipe trend was Yarnc =/ Close though! | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:55 samachking wrote: His 08 ZvP was pretty darn good, lets not forget that he was the one who started this mass hydra into Muta snipe into GG trend, it might have not been pretty, but he was pretty good at it and had sick ass macro, I still remember him destroying Bisu in the 2008 Playoffs semis Ace match lol it's kinda ironic for Lux to be using Hydras so much because Lux and yarnc used to criticize Silver for abusing Hydralisks in every single game and getting to finals in a gay way. | ||
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Luxury was a bought player, like alot of KT. | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:57 Camlito wrote: Luxury was a bought player, like alot of KT. But he won the MSL after he was bought | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:50 iLoveKT wrote: I still dont get why this guy won an MSL. His ZvZ and ZvT are or were top tier. And His ZvP while terrible skillwise, is effective. Z v P all ins are effective like no all ins in any other matchup They don't take an immense amount of skill(progamerwise) and can work as a safety net. So the worst a zerg can do vs a protoss is to turn the game into a gamble by going all in. | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:56 Jackal03 wrote: TvP is hwasin worst match-up, and i guess he was practicing his TvZ, since lux was the favorite will we see the underdog win this one too? There will be alot of Angry STX and KT fans today if Guemchi wins | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:57 Plexa wrote: Actually, the player who started the muta snipe trend was Yarnc =/ Close though! I dont recall any games early 08/late 07 where Yarnc actually used mass hydra into muta snipe to win, can you link me please to some of these games? | ||
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True.. he coulda won it at hite though (the protoss practice partners at the time for both teams weren't.. spectacular lol) | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:55 samachking wrote: His 08 ZvP was pretty darn good, lets not forget that he was the one who started this mass hydra into Muta snipe into GG trend, it might have not been pretty, but he was pretty good at it and had sick ass macro, I still remember him destroying Bisu in the 2008 Playoffs semis Ace match Huh? Luxury started the whole rush-every-game ZvP that's focused on ending the game before the 4th hatch(and usually even lair) went up. The guy is the polar opposite of the 3-base 5-hatch play that's currently dominating ZvP. | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:57 Camlito wrote: Luxury was a bought player, like alot of KT. yeah so? he's still in KT, and he's been there for a while now. KT wouldn't be doing so hot without him, and lots of ppl are talkn crap just now that he loses against a player that was well prepared. i dont quite get it | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:59 UGC4 wrote: yeah so? he's still in KT, and he's been there for a while now. KT wouldn't be doing so hot without him, and lots of ppl are talkn crap just now that he loses against a player that was well prepared. i dont quite get it Since he joined KT, he won an MSL pretty shortly after, then slumped horribly for ages, not helping KT at all, now he's finally back to playing at least somewhat like he used to, but he can still lose to guemchi if he wants. | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:00 SilverskY wrote: The commentators are saying that the storm that Guemchi used to kill Lux's mutas killed 11 mutas with one storm... Holy shit. no silversky! bad! *fly spray* | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:57 UGC4 wrote: oh come on...he was dodging storms pretty well with his hydras, more towards the end, maybe he could have done a little better but it wasnt as bad as u make it seem. the only thing (but i guess its huge) is losing 11 mutas to 1 storm...but its understandable, he went back to macro and left his mutas for 2 seconds.. Taking 70 damage on all your hydras before getting them out of the storm isnt good dodging. It might look ok since not alot of them died but the few times he did dodge his units were so weak they died in one or two hits to zlots. | ||
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GAH GAH, GET AWAY FROM ME! | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:00 SilverskY wrote: The commentators are saying that the storm that Guemchi used to kill Lux's mutas killed 11 mutas with one storm... Holy shit. and u know whats the funniest part? + Show Spoiler + he didnt even need the DA with maelstorm. LOL | ||
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On October 30 2009 19:59 samachking wrote: Muta snipe is way more recent that early 08 =/ it's only become common place since the advent of destinationI dont recall any games early 08/late 07 where Yarnc actually used mass hydra into muta snipe to win, can you link me please to some of these games? | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:03 GinNtoniC wrote: There's actually quite the crowd there today. Granted, it's friday. Exam Period is over! Thats why we haven't been seeing a large crowd for a while | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:02 UGC4 wrote: and u know whats the funniest part? + Show Spoiler + he didnt even need the DA with maelstorm. LOL The maelstorm locked like 4 lings and one zealot. T_T | ||
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Hwasin at 11:30 Guemchi at 4:30 | ||
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chojja 2.0 | ||
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I'll bet Hwasin loses first set. | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:02 Plexa wrote: Muta snipe is way more recent that early 08 =/ it's only become common place since the advent of destination yeah, even ret wrote in his blog, that he discovered muta switch with HT snipe only after Bisu vs JD on desti | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:02 Plexa wrote: Muta snipe is way more recent that early 08 =/ it's only become common place since the advent of destination Im thinking about the popularization days of Othello/Colo where JD + Lux used mass hydras with muta snipe, do you remember the JD vs Bisu game on Othello | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:05 MrHoon wrote: man i really really wanted to see some epic TvZ by Hwasin and Luxury Maybe Luxury would've lost 11 Mutas to one irradiate. LAWL~ | ||
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Hwasin at 11 o clock. Guemchi at 5 o clock. Map: Eye of the storm. Both players start out normal. Hwasin with a barracks --> marine --> factory build Guemchi with the 1gate gas --> core but with an early zealot out to harass. | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:05 SilverskY wrote: Maybe Luxury would've lost 11 Mutas to one irradiate. LAWL~ hehehe | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:05 SilverskY wrote: Maybe Luxury would've lost 11 Mutas to one irradiate. LAWL~ ![[image loading]](http://i36.tinypic.com/15fk74z.jpg) | ||
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A good sim city at his entrance nullifies any attempt to harass with that first zealot. 4 marines in play. now 5. Can he make the timing push with cross positions? Guemchi almost sneaks a probe inside but it's stopped just before it can get inside for a good look. Guemchi now at 2 gates and goon range underway. Hwasin is moving forward - WHILE GUEMCHI PLANTS HIS NAT NEX. | ||
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Hwasin's moving out with 3 tanks, 5-6 marines and vultures rallied. Will have to attack up ramp though. This is it, here comes micro contest. | ||
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GG already. Nice Hwasin. | ||
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Pulls a lot of probes, but gets overrun. Focuses fire on vultures and mines, while tanks kill him cold. Not even a contest, Guemchi is completely run over! Good timing and strategical move by Hwasin! GG - 1-0 | ||
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LibertyTerran
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On October 30 2009 20:10 iLoveKT wrote: wow hwasin, all the games I have seen of him lately have been cheese... -.- Why is that cheese? It's just a freakin straight up 2Fac timing attack. | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:10 iLoveKT wrote: wow hwasin, all the games I have seen of him lately have been cheese... -.- lol | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:11 Roffles wrote: Hwasin didnt even micro in that 2 fact. That BAMF basically just attack moved and Guemchi rolled over and gave up. The only micro was setting mines. =O | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:10 LibertyTerran wrote: Why is that cheese? It's just a freakin straight up 2Fac timing attack. Iris all in super strong 2fac attack, it is a all in according to Idra, if that attack fails you are light years behind | ||
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UGC4
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On October 30 2009 20:10 iLoveKT wrote: wow hwasin, all the games I have seen of him lately have been cheese... -.- yeah. cuz he BBS'd right? | ||
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MrHoon
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that would be perfect trio for me in OSL RO16 | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:10 iLoveKT wrote: wow hwasin, all the games I have seen of him lately have been cheese... -.- Cheese------------------------------------------------------------2Fact They are that far away from one another. | ||
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On October 30 2009 20:12 samachking wrote: Iris all in super strong 2fac attack, it is a all in according to Idra, if that attack fails you are light years behind Trusting idra now? Its so obviously NOT cheese | ||
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United Kingdom324 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:12 nataziel wrote: 2 Fac is sex. Not cheese in the slightest agree! | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
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United States12796 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:11 ZooG wrote: well executed by Hwasin! Guemchi smelled something fishy tho... it wasnt a drop Yeah I think he pulled dragoon from that ramp to walk closer, i thought he was thinking Hwasin was going to atk from another route... it was a bad move as he gets pincered rightaway T_T not that he could've tell. He should've send some probe scouts :/ | ||
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LibertyTerran
Vietnam711 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:12 samachking wrote: Iris all in super strong 2fac attack, it is a all in according to Idra, if that attack fails you are light years behind Who's Idra? | ||
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Vietnam9021 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:13 lavion wrote: all-in =/= cheese Cheese basically means you should gg if you fail imo it's all-in that you should gg if you fail, not cheese. | ||
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Sweden2945 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:12 samachking wrote: Iris all in super strong 2fac attack, it is a all in according to Idra, if that attack fails you are light years behind If you can stop the protoss expansion, but then lose your push, then you're still pretty even aren't you? If a BBS fails, you have no tech to fall back on - you're completely dead. 2fac is an aggresive, risky play - but cheese? No, it doesn't even nearly qualify. That's like saying 2hatch muta is cheese, just because it relies on halting the terran economy to be successful. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:13 lavion wrote: all-in =/= cheese Cheese basically means you should gg if you fail and an all-in means something else...? I don't understand how 2 fac is so different from cheese... it is significantly less effective if it is expected. The higher variance a build is with respect to decisions made with no scouting knowledge, the cheeser it is. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:15 SilverskY wrote: God if this thread turns into another cheese vs. all-in thread. I'm going to uppercut someone. do it! That'd be beautiful! | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:15 SilverskY wrote: God if this thread turns into another cheese vs. all-in thread. I'm going to uppercut someone. Shoruken? | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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Womwomwom
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
LOL I was going to write shoryuken. But I was thinking not everyone will see the sheer cleverness of said statement. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:16 iLoveKT wrote: Well maybe I define all-in as cheese. well you guys get the point, I hate cheese/all-ins. thats maybe why I love flash. 14cc, he either gets owned at the beggining or wins later! i say cheese | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:12 nayumi wrote: Cheese-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------2Fact They are that far away from one another. fixed | ||
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:16 Holgerius wrote: What the fuck is wrong with some people? So everything that isn't 1 Fac FE is cheese? Come on... So everything that isn't BBS isn't cheese? | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:16 iLoveKT wrote: Well maybe I define all-in as cheese. well you guys get the point, I hate cheese/all-ins. thats maybe why I love flash. yea because he can turtle good... oh god it had to be done.. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Map: El Niño (god I hate that name) Guemchi at 12 o' clock Hwasin at 4 o' clock. Pylon at 8. Depot at 9. Barracks at 11. Everything standard so far. And the commentators are still talking about Guemchi maeling his own zealots in the last game vs Luxury edit: Guemchi going for fast nex. Looks like a 14 nex by timing. Could be earlier even. Hwasin has walled off at his ramp and has 1 scv on gas. Looks completely standard. Ballsy by Guemchi to go for early nex after last game, but seems he chose the right moment. Hwasin sees the fast and starts his own CC asap. | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:17 Itachii wrote: 14cc, he either gets owned at the beggining or wins later! i say cheese yeah but he has done it once in his last 9000 games... | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:17 SilverskY wrote: LOL I was going to write shoryuken. But I was thinking not everyone will see the sheer cleverness of said statement. High Five! | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:16 iLoveKT wrote: Well maybe I define all-in as cheese. well you guys get the point, I hate cheese/all-ins. thats maybe why I love flash. I love Flash too, but he was a bit of a cheeser as well when he was new to the sceen. If you haven't seen it, check out Flash vs Bisu on Monty Hall. One of the best rushes ever. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:18 Womwomwom wrote: Seems like Guemchi went for the Nexus before the Gateway...risky stuff. lol, where have you lived last months, 12nex is new standard | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:18 HaXXspetten wrote: I love Flash too, but he was a bit of a cheeser as well when he was new to the sceen. If you haven't seen it, check out Flash vs Bisu on Monty Hall. One of the best rushes ever. Is that where he goes proxy refinery-->relay chain to mine out the minerals? I saw a highlight of that game if i'm getting it right. was that the best part of it or did Bisu kinda just die when Flash broke in? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10704 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:10 LibertyTerran wrote: Why is that cheese? It's just a freakin straight up 2Fac timing attack. Haven't you noticed the trend? If Protoss loses to 5 Hatch Hydra with Temp Snipe it's Imba. If Protoss loses to a Hydrabreak it's Imba/Cheese. If Protoss loses to a Zerg who's doing a 3 year old build it's Imbalanced. If Protoss loses against Terra in under 18 Minutes it's cheese. If Protoss loses against Terran in an over 18 Minute game it's imba 3/3 Mech. If Protoss wins the Terran or Zerg failed. | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:20 Velr wrote: Haven't you noticed the trend? If Protoss loses to 5 Hatch Hydra with Temp Snipe it's Imba. If Protoss loses to a Hydrabreak it's Imba/Cheese. If Protoss loses to a Zerg who's doing a 3 year old build it's Imbalanced. If Protoss loses against Terra in under 18 Minutes it's cheese. If Protoss loses against Terran in an over 18 Minute game it's imba 3/3 Mech. If Protoss wins the Terran or Zerg failed. you forgot If Protoss loses map imbal | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
2 gates up for guemchi, core spinning. Everything is looking calm as ever. Siege finishes for Hwasin just as Guemchi tries to put on some pressure --> FAIL! | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On October 30 2009 SkelA wrote: guemchi ftw we need more protoss! True, but there's one problem: Guemchi may be a protoss, but he is not a pro-toss... | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:19 johanes wrote: lol, where have you lived last months, 12nex is new standard On October 30 2009 20:18 nayumi wrote: Guemchi 12 nexus aka the wine build ... | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Hwasin trying a long term macro game? I'm impressed! | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:21 HaXXspetten wrote: True, but there's one problem: Guemchi may be a protoss, but he is not a pro-toss... this..hahaha | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
I'm guessing 2 zealots have been loaded inside. Starport coming from Hwasin! Can he get a wraith out in time? | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On October 30 2009 Chen wrote: Is that where he goes proxy refinery-->relay chain to mine out the minerals? I saw a highlight of that game if i'm getting it right. was that the best part of it or did Bisu kinda just die when Flash broke in? Kind of, but it's amazing nonetheless. Check it out for yourself. (Only around 4 minutes in-game and there's Klazart to boot) | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Startport is jsut done and is blinking. Is the wraith coming out in time (nice sense by Hwasin btw to feel the reaver or did he scan it? I don't know, didn't see, but Hwasin knows!) Shuttle/reaver lands at Hwasin's 3rd CC being built. Hwasin is gonna have to cancel that CC but the wraith is chasing the shuttle ... AND TAKES IT DOWN. Lonely little reaver is sitting pretty with 2 zealots as guard. Guemchi is moving to take it out and does it without losing a single tank. Nice one! | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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Infenwe
Denmark170 Posts
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
New shuttle is out for Guemchi and his citadel is done. Templar archives coming. No stargate though and still on 2 bases. What's his game plan? | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
so sad =( | ||
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bias-
United States410 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:25 SilverskY wrote: Here HwaSin, have a shuttle and a reaver. seriously. why even go for the building command center w/ the zealots afterwards. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
That's what happens LRing in windowed mode. Hwasin elevates units to behind Guemchi's 3rd minline. Guemchi shuttling troops over to intercept in time and does so well. Hwasin repelled! | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Stargate is done and arbiter tribunal is just finishing. Hwasin has a good map presence and his 3rd has been up for a while now. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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nataziel
Australia1455 Posts
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
a good 5-6 probes go down | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Looks like a huge failmove and it turns out to be just that! Floating buildings, planted buildings, mines turrets and a pack of 9-10 sieged tanks make that break attempt a joke. Guemchi pulls back without too heavy losses though. Hwasin catches about 10 probes maynarding to the hidden base and kills them all! Meanwhile he dropship-unloads 2 tanks to the 8 o clock base with vultures coming in for support. Guemchi has cannons there, but they're killed quickly and the lone shuttle coming in from Guemchi wont be able to do shit. That base is gonna fall. DT is out from a gate at 8 o clock but is quickly scanned. First arbiter out though while Guemchi is starting another 4th | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Here comes a really big push at the same time as he unloads a tank into Guemchi's main for some minline probe sniping. Hwasin's push is now sitting pretty not far outside Guemchi's nat and I don't see Guemchi breaking that shit in a million years. High templars out though, can he make something with it? Hwasin now leapfrogging into Guemchi's nat. There's no way Guemchi is gonna break that. A line of zealots are coming in and he recalls behind Hwasin's lines but loses the arbiter straight away. The recalled force is chipping away at depots and scvs, but Hwasin just pulls a pocket of units back and clears up. In the meantime, good macro from Guemchi has created a force strong enough to knock the main push back. Hwasin has a lot of units though and Guemchi realizes he's fucked. He GG's. 2-0 Hwasin | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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Fish_Baguettes
Australia589 Posts
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myzael
Poland605 Posts
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
i got a feeling fantasy is gonna have tears of joy playing this map with his dropship play | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
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Presony-Boy
Israel812 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:34 lavion wrote: that was good play by hwasin i got a feeling fantasy is gonna have tears of joy playing this map with his dropship play Yeah, this map is very obviously inspired by Outsider aka Fantasy-land | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:35 GinNtoniC wrote: Yeah, this map is very obviously inspired by Outsider aka Fantasy-land I think outsider looks cooler. Its black and theres lava =O Theres 3 obnoxious rings on this one... | ||
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Bifur
Russian Federation1208 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:35 RamenStyle wrote: If he adds this new TvP to his old TvZ and maybe improves just a little bit his TvT, Hwasin is looking good. Amen, I almost feel bad about Bisu being out for the sole purpose of giving Hwasin a chance at revenge. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
 Here's for another meaningless participation of Hwasin in the OSL | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:36 disciple wrote: Here's for another meaningless participation by Hwasin in the OSL Most probably! | ||
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10704 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:36 GinNtoniC wrote: Amen, I almost feel bad about Bisu being out for the sole purpose of giving Hwasin a chance at revenge. Yeah.... And if Guemchi gets better at PvT and a little better at PvZ and a little better at PvP he might would be really good... -.- | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
3 Terran 3 Toss I never thought in my life I would see a such an odd race makeup | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:36 disciple wrote: Here's for another meaningless participation of Hwasin in the OSL lets hope he entertains us by how bad he is, his last showing in the ro16 was the most ugly BW I have ever seen, the 2fac vs Bisu was lol + the circus show with zero | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
The commentator just said Hwasin was practicing TvP with Stork! No wonder he raped | ||
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viewer
Canada662 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
fixed by now. Still I wouldnt recommend the El Nino game either, but you know it | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:42 538 wrote: Hwasin vs Guemchi on Heartbreak Ridge as recommended game in OP??? (I'm not even sure which game you wanted to recommend instead:-p) fixed by now. Still I wouldnt recommend the El Nino game either, but you know it That was a solid game. Hwasin played some good TvP there, showing higher form then I've seen from his in that matchup yet. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:36 disciple wrote: Here's for another meaningless participation of Hwasin in the OSL how can u guys be so mean to hwasin : ( hes a consisten starleaguer i mean he doesnt win anything but still he doesnt suck big balls or anytign | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On October 30 2009 21:17 alffla wrote: and he has a sweet tvz too he'll help the Legend of Fall. | ||
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
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tedster
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
Luxury: the only Zerg we can still count on to lose ZvP | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On October 30 2009 23:34 JWD wrote: aaaaaand Hwasin lucks his way into yet another OSL Ro16 Luxury: the only Zerg we can still count on to lose ZvP He has a brother too. | ||
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MooCow
1434 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
Btw, game 2 of Hwasin vs Guemchi is on now, http://tv.zeroboy.net/konadora | ||
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KristianJS
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
seriously lux just cheese every ZvP.. its the only way you can win. and lol at Hwasin 2-0ing guemchi. lets hope stork or movie gets hwasin in their group so we can have a classic hwasin fail. | ||
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
THIS OSL IS HIS | ||
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uglymoose89
United States671 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On October 31 2009 00:41 KristianJS wrote: Wow, thanks for spoiling the first half in the Recommended Games list! | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On October 30 2009 23:34 JWD wrote: aaaaaand Hwasin lucks his way into yet another OSL Ro16 Luxury: the only Zerg we can still count on to lose ZvP time to bring out the hwasin bucket once again | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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Cadical
United States469 Posts
http://www.speedyshare.com/547859181.html | ||
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
disappointed in Luxury! | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 31 2009 06:24 okum wrote: How did Luxury manage to lose on HBR? Did he forget to build hydras and a-move? He didn't manage to break GuemChi's natural at a critical time, lost 11 mutas to one storm, and he failed to take out the 3rd because he didn't target attack. Then he ran out of steam and GuemChi rolled him. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On October 31 2009 06:24 okum wrote: How did Luxury manage to lose on HBR? Did he forget to build hydras and a-move? Actually that's exactly what he was doing. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
g-chizzle wont even win the MSL | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
Yeah, but it wasn't the same kind as your normal hydra a-move. Luxury went for a timing attack before he had full drone saturation and 3rd gas(required for easy quick muta switches) and failed to break into guemchi's base. Luxury's propensity for rushes failed him this series. If he just sat back and waited for his proper 3 base full hydra/muta pump, he'd have taken game 3 easily. | ||
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bias-
United States410 Posts
On October 30 2009 17:43 Vasoline73 wrote: Luxury no question. I hate you Hwasin! Ahem. Also, Hwasin 'been beasting lately. Geumchi probably isnt' feeling so hot. Getting ousted out of both leagues nearly simultaneously is always rough. | ||
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koreasilver
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On October 30 2009 20:02 Plexa wrote: Muta snipe is way more recent that early 08 =/ it's only become common place since the advent of destination The first time I really remember a player doing it absolutely purposefully was that awesome Jaedong vs Bisu series where Jaedong raped Bisu on Othello with his "off tempo" mutalisks that he made specifically to snipe his hydras. Ever since that game I saw Jaedong building mutalisks to snipe templars in his ZvPs. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On November 05 2009 20:54 RamenStyle wrote: I don't think Hwasin has what it takes to take a title, but if he peaks again, I think he could make it to the semis. Yes More like + Show Spoiler + Ro16 | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Whoever is in his MSL group he is going to qualify for the Ro16. | ||
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