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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7474 Posts
October 28 2009 17:09 GMT
#441
The last time (before calm) that jaedong had a zvz downswing he was on the opposite end of the b.o game playing 9pool and overpool against 12pool/hat and 11pool/10gas and people said "He has too much faith in his micro" now he is losing on the other end of the game people are playing "He has weak micro". Right now every zerg is getting better and jaedong is trying to play the overall strongest build and that is costing him a few games.

I am glad he is on a downswing. Other zergs do deserve some credit for how much they've shrunken the gap that was comparable to oovs tvz, boxers tvz and julyzerg zvp. Good job 815 playing a 9pool against jaedong takes fucking HUUUUGE balls, HUUUUUGE.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
October 28 2009 17:19 GMT
#442
I don't understand what the problem is. ZvZ is nearly all micro. Micro to defend well. Micro to attack well. I guess it might be Jaedong having too much faith in his ability to create a opening in his opponents defensive line when he goes 9 pool. It is the same with Macro oriented builds where Jaedong is on the other end where he has to fight off opponent.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 28 2009 17:24 GMT
#443
I always liked it better when JD was super aggressive with his lings and would win before mutas came out, or win the second they came out. Now he just sits in his base and gives complete control to the opponent.
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
October 28 2009 17:32 GMT
#444
JD slump thread INC
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
October 28 2009 18:19 GMT
#445
On October 29 2009 02:19 TanGeng wrote:
I don't understand what the problem is. ZvZ is nearly all micro. Micro to defend well. Micro to attack well. I guess it might be Jaedong having too much faith in his ability to create a opening in his opponents defensive line when he goes 9 pool. It is the same with Macro oriented builds where Jaedong is on the other end where he has to fight off opponent.


Micro only goes so far when you have a bunch of drones verses 6 zerglings
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
October 28 2009 18:38 GMT
#446
.......> <;; jaedong slumping?
ahaha <3
cw)minsean(ru
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 28 2009 19:13 GMT
#447
Well, Flash is my favorite player, and KT is my favorite team, but it's still sad to see JD lose to 815 and Hwaseung failing overall.

No Flash vs JD Ace
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
October 28 2009 19:42 GMT
#448
I traded Hwaseung away for KTF the moment Killer went out in an ace match, and it wasn't a moment too soon. I couldn't make that trade today.
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
October 28 2009 20:11 GMT
#449
Dammit Jaedong is supposed to be Bonjwa.. you gotta win 4 OSLS then noone can deny you!

Instead he's getting buttfucked

Maybe its the OSL curse?
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DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
October 28 2009 20:25 GMT
#450
On October 29 2009 05:11 vRoOk wrote:
Dammit Jaedong is supposed to be Bonjwa.. you gotta win 4 OSLS then noone can deny you!

Instead he's getting buttfucked

Maybe its the OSL curse?

nah its the FA shit
cw)minsean(ru
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
October 28 2009 20:31 GMT
#451
On October 29 2009 01:30 koreasilver wrote:
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On October 29 2009 00:10 lone_hydra wrote:
Out of curiosity, why do you guys think that JD went for something as risky as 12 hatch on a 2 player map? Out of all the BO fails, 12 hatch vs. 9 pool is the only instant loss on a 2 player map. Any other BO, with good micro, it's more than possible to get back.

Is it because JD is lacking confidence in his muta and ling micro and is afraid to play a game without econ advantage?

Or is it because he's too cocky with his drone micro? Or is it because hes on a break and not really taking games seriously right now?


12hatch and 12pool expand, and overgas are really popular builds on HBR for ZvZ. I guess Jaedong probably thought that 815 would play kinda normal and Jaedong took the risk with the greediest build of the three. 815 guessed correctly that Jaedong would use one of those three builds and went for 9pool. Jaedong also has been using greedy builds a lot in ZvZ the past little while, so 815 probably was confident that Jaedong would use a greedy build this time too.


What do you mean he "guessed correctly" that Jaedong would use one of those three builds? Doesn't 9 pool lose to Overgas AND 12 Pool? He must have guessed/hoped/believed correctly that JD would 12 Hatch because otherwise he's behind....
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
October 28 2009 21:04 GMT
#452
On October 29 2009 05:31 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2009 01:30 koreasilver wrote:
On October 29 2009 00:10 lone_hydra wrote:
Out of curiosity, why do you guys think that JD went for something as risky as 12 hatch on a 2 player map? Out of all the BO fails, 12 hatch vs. 9 pool is the only instant loss on a 2 player map. Any other BO, with good micro, it's more than possible to get back.

Is it because JD is lacking confidence in his muta and ling micro and is afraid to play a game without econ advantage?

Or is it because he's too cocky with his drone micro? Or is it because hes on a break and not really taking games seriously right now?


12hatch and 12pool expand, and overgas are really popular builds on HBR for ZvZ. I guess Jaedong probably thought that 815 would play kinda normal and Jaedong took the risk with the greediest build of the three. 815 guessed correctly that Jaedong would use one of those three builds and went for 9pool. Jaedong also has been using greedy builds a lot in ZvZ the past little while, so 815 probably was confident that Jaedong would use a greedy build this time too.


What do you mean he "guessed correctly" that Jaedong would use one of those three builds? Doesn't 9 pool lose to Overgas AND 12 Pool? He must have guessed/hoped/believed correctly that JD would 12 Hatch because otherwise he's behind....

9pool lair isn't so bad vs overgas if you morph larva to scourge when spire pops and park them outside his hatching muta eggs or kill as many ovies as possible before his spire pops to at least slow him down. You'll also prob get to expand before the other zerg too. When you 9speed vs overgas, you kind of hope to have whored drones a bit too much and didn't save larva for lings which is pretty common with people who overgas. They are going to be relying on sunk Plus, on 2p maps, it's very possible to hide lings from scouting overlord and just destroy them then.

(http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/28868_Jaedong_vs_Kwanro)
Also, 9pool lair can run over 12pool expand builds if the zerg does not turtle correctly ie places a spore wrong or makes sunks too late.
( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/28869_Jaedong_vs_Kwanro
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/27025_Calm_vs_Jaedong)
And 9pool speed is amazing against 12pool expand builds and puts the person who 12pooled in hard position as he either has to pull drones or cancel nat hat. Then, the person who went speed first can just abuse timing where he has speed and other doesn't.
(See http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/27582_EffOrt_vs_FireFist
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/24072_EffOrt_vs_Jaedong
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/27030_Calm_vs_Jaedong)
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KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
October 28 2009 21:31 GMT
#453
On October 29 2009 05:25 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2009 05:11 vRoOk wrote:
Dammit Jaedong is supposed to be Bonjwa.. you gotta win 4 OSLS then noone can deny you!

Instead he's getting buttfucked

Maybe its the OSL curse?

nah its the FA shit

He's already won as much as savior did over a similar time scale, while doing infinitely better in the ever more important proleague than the maestro ever did, what do people demand?
Imo he could lose every game for the rest of his career from this point and still be top three most accomplished bw player ever.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
October 28 2009 23:24 GMT
#454
lol 3-0...
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