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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:40 funKy_KroK wrote: I dont understand why Bisu didnt try the build he used against Jaedong. Fast zealots +1 push before the zerg get lurkers Rush distance. It's really that simple. HBR has a long rush distance, much longer than Destination (for rushing the Z's third) | ||
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Kreedit
Sweden373 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:38 ghostWriter wrote: Maybe Bisu should have considered this before he decided to get raped by Shine haha. You can't say that shine isn't talented after he trashed bisu's pvz. Well one thing we can say for sure is that he'l be out in the ro 16 unless he gets a crap easy group. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:39 Soulforged wrote: IMO sair/archon doesn't stop HT snipes, since it's basically muta suicides. Imagine having 4 HTs in army, with first being taken out by the surprise. If 2 more get killed due to basic muta micro, protoss is dead - one HT won't make it, since hydras also can dodge storms. Just a question though, what happened to sair/2reaver/speed zealot pushes? Are they getting rolled by hydra flanks now? Speed shuttle seems more resistant to muta snipes; at least it can surely get reavers in attack spot, and reavers are more tough - sair protection has better chance to work. Are you forgetting another zerg unit for which speed shuttle's NOT resistant to? Losing shuttle = GG. Also, Shine went fast lurkers. Suffice to say you're not killing any lurkers with speedlots/reaver/sairs. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
There's an answer somewhere, there always is, but Protoss is looking more and more disheveled by the day. I know a lot of people are saying Dark Archon, but that's still 2 dts worth, plus painful upgrades just to keep templars alive. I really think we just need newer maps. Why are we still using HBR after it contributed to the demolishing of protoss last OSL? | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:40 disciple wrote: yeah but the very thought that Shine "trashed" world's best PvZ is disturbing to say at least Well, like GTR said, this isn't the first time that Bisu has been eliminated early by some noob zerg that he should have advanced past. I think it has to do with his arrogance. He probably didn't prepare enough, thinking that it's just shine[kal] and that's how he ended up disappointing everyone. It's about time for zerg to have their heyday. Protoss and Terran have had way longer periods of dominance. I'm glad that the racial imbalance is beginning to change. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:45 ghostWriter wrote: Well, like GTR said, this isn't the first time that Bisu has been eliminated early by some noob zerg that he should have advanced past. I think it has to do with his arrogance. He probably didn't prepare enough, thinking that it's just shine[kal] and that's how he ended up disappointing everyone. It's about time for zerg to have their heyday. Protoss and Terran have had way longer periods of dominance. I'm glad that the racial imbalance is beginning to change. honestly...what? | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:45 ghostWriter wrote: It's about time for zerg to have their heyday. Protoss and Terran have had way longer periods of dominance. I'm glad that the racial imbalance is beginning to change. Have you forgotten about Savior and how impossible he made PvZ for about a year? You could make a case that Terran has had more "good seasons" than Zerg, but Protoss? No way. We've never seen a Protoss bonjwa and the only time Protoss ever approached dominance was one SC season last year (ClubDay MSL's). | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Bisu has a history of losing to terrible Zergs. Also, ín group picks he often picks an all-zerg group of mediocre Zergs for himself to make it easy, and then he usually fails in them. It's pretty easy to conclude he's quite arrogant and cocky. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:52 Shikyo wrote: Bisu has a history of losing to terrible Zergs. Also, ín group picks he often picks an all-zerg group of mediocre Zergs for himself to make it easy, and then he usually fails in them. It's pretty easy to conclude he's quite arrogant and cocky. … or he just feels most comfortable playing PvZ | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
Bisu I am disappoint. + Show Spoiler + not shocked though! | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:52 Shikyo wrote: Bisu has a history of losing to terrible Zergs. Also, ín group picks he often picks an all-zerg group of mediocre Zergs for himself to make it easy, and then he usually fails in them. It's pretty easy to conclude he's quite arrogant and cocky. that wasn't what i was whating. but i'll bite - what? he "often" this and "usually" that, how many ti.. no. whatever. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:52 TwoToneTerran wrote: Honestly I just want to see Terran do well this season. It's downright stroke inducing that ForGG is the most recent Terran champion. No, that won't do at all. Jaedong needs to keep winning OSL titles until Starcraft 2 comes out. Kespa, proteams, and the entire Starcraft fanbase refuse to have it any other way. + Show Spoiler + T_T On October 14 2009 21:54 Lachrymose wrote: that wasn't what i was whating. but i'll bite - what? he "often" this and "usually" that, how many ti.. no. whatever. It's best not to argue with Shikyo, you'll lose a lot of brain cells. Best to just smile and nod when he says that PvZ is easy for Protoss, Savior still has invincible ZvP, SKT is the worst team in proleague, Bisu is cocky, Fantasy is a lame cheesing Terran who is horrible at Starcraft, etc., etc. | ||
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:45 ghostWriter wrote: Well, like GTR said, this isn't the first time that Bisu has been eliminated early by some noob zerg that he should have advanced past. I think it has to do with his arrogance. He probably didn't prepare enough, thinking that it's just shine[kal] and that's how he ended up disappointing everyone. It's about time for zerg to have their heyday. Protoss and Terran have had way longer periods of dominance. I'm glad that the racial imbalance is beginning to change. seriously.. stfu. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:53 JWD wrote: … or he just feels most comfortable playing PvZ So he picks very easy all-zerg groups without helping his teammates with their groups, for example. And then he loses in them. Against mediocre players. But he can compete with the very best when he's playing well. So he takes his mediocre Zerg opponents lightly. So he's arrogant or cocky. That, or he's just a bad PvZ player. On October 14 2009 21:54 Lachrymose wrote: that wasn't what i was whating. but i'll bite - what? he "often" this and "usually" that, how many ti.. no. whatever. Oh, lost to by.hero, got owned by zerg group with yarnc and was it jaedong and someone else, got owned by zerg group with savior and zero. Jaedong wasn't mediocre I guess, I think it was the Blue Storm game. Losing to Savior and Zero was so bad though, considering how he picked them. Oh, and lost to Shine. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:54 Lachrymose wrote: that wasn't what i was whating. but i'll bite - what? he "often" this and "usually" that, how many ti.. no. whatever. I'm fairly sure he was knocked out of 3 MSLs so far to easy zerg groups? And this is his third OSL getting stomped out by an obviously underrated zerg. (the season he got kicked out by Fantasy in the semis is the same he lost to by.hero) That's six tournaments in the last four seasons or so. I think he actually has a worse record dropping out of tournaments to terrans, technically, but they're not usually upsets or they're at the very least good games (Mind when he was in form, Flash in Bacchus, Iris recently etc). | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
4/4 ![[image loading]](http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2315/wowliquibet.png) edit: i feel bad for protoss, but i'm sick of reading protoss players respond to any post that may be saying protoss isn't hard with sarcastic shit all the time. I.E Someone makes a post about SKT Zergs sucking and he says zerg isn't hard... wtf? | ||
GTR
51438 Posts
maaaaaaaaad and it's entertaining! | ||
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siv00
261 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:54 Lachrymose wrote: that wasn't what i was whating. but i'll bite - what? he "often" this and "usually" that, how many ti.. no. whatever. Like one time. | ||
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ATLAS-3.04
United States190 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:45 TwoToneTerran wrote: There's an answer somewhere, there always is, but Protoss is looking more and more disheveled by the day. Starcraft has been the backbone of the e-sports community for over a decade. Could there really be some hidden strategy or whatnot to save the Protoss after all this time? It certainly doesn't help that the Protoss is historically the least successful race. | ||
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