EPT[OSL] EVER 2009 Round of 36 Group A/B - Page 38
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Weryeery
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:19 SkytoM wrote: PvZ Balance? Out of this world. Bisu didn't even play bad. Well, although ZvP seems quite imbalanced these days, I've got to say that the last game Shine played really, really well. Also, Bisu got too many goons I think. Shine played very well though, and this build is quite good and new as well... I think it's becoming the standard these days. Maybe Protoss are trying to play against it like the play against the normal straight Hydra build and it just doesn't work as well. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:30 snapcrackle wrote: nice chart... but its not denial... bisu is number 1 elo... when he loses everyone is quick to go OMG zerg is imba... but dude he's number 1 in ELO... i dont think balance is an issue now Is he still? Regardless, that ELO has not been coming from his vZ lately, but rather his vT and vP. Thanks for playing though. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
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sauc
Canada26 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:30 Kot wrote: wonder if someone will get injured again so bisu can get back in someone should go beat up backho | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:27 4Servy wrote: With z heavy osl, jeadong gona take a 4th. Mb the terrans can get something done. They just want to keep giving Jaedong OSL titles so they're trying to make it easier for zergs to plow through the other two races. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:22 alffla wrote: what could he have done to save the HTs =.= What could he have done to save his corsairs? If he had more corsairs muta would be less of a problem. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:26 snapcrackle wrote: protoss is not getting stomped by zerg ...its so common to say that but they aren't ZvP record is 61-35 in MST and 58-37 in OSL prelims, both over 60%. Also 8-2 so far in Proleague and I'm not holding my breath for that ratio to change significantly. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:30 snapcrackle wrote: nice chart... but its not denial... bisu is number 1 elo... when he loses everyone is quick to go OMG zerg is imba... but dude he's number 1 in ELO... i dont think balance is an issue now I think Flash just passed Bisu for #1 ELO…? (not that one player's ELO is indicative of an entire race's performance vs. Zerg anyway) | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17435 Posts
Sair/Reaver/Zealot could be viable if only protoss managed to keep enough sairs alive. Dweb is a must in this case. I am a broken man now  | ||
GTR
51497 Posts
bisu back to offline qualifiers lol he is probably going to end up in a never ending loop like savior. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:26 SkelA wrote: Think Bisu needed like 5 sairs with his army and shine could snipe like 1 ht max or DA but its kinda risky and noone has gotten the timing right till now they key i think is to not be like Much in his Arena MSL match against Jaedong when he rushed DA's, but to time it with zerg's spire which usually comes after the five hatches + hydra den and upgrades. basically, since zerg is suiciding their mutas to kill templars, toss needs to counter by spending just a ltitle time/money and get Maelstrom | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
First Game was very close too. Here Bisu had too many archons in early game so his HTs/Storm were too late. Watch the second game, here Bisu did no mistakes and raped Shine easily. PvZ might be very hard nowadays but it's not THAT imbalanced like you all are claiming now. | ||
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:32 GTR wrote: you know this means bisu back to offline qualifiers lol he is probably going to end up in a never ending loop like savior. nooooooooooooo GTR don't say it Bisu for MSL champ | ||
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sauc
Canada26 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:33 SkyTheUnknown wrote: Bisu @ HBR did a risky build with massive Zealot/Goons and no Archon/Sair against Muta-Snipe. This was his downfall. First Game was very close too. Here Bisu had too many archons in early game so his HTs/Storm were too late. Watch the second game, here Bisu did no mistakes and raped Shine easily. PvZ might be very hard nowadays but it's not THAT imbalanced like you all are claiming now. bisu did no mistake but shine suicided alot of his units into a completely meaningless drop | ||
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:31 illu wrote: What could he have done to save his corsairs? If he had more corsairs muta would be less of a problem. ok, so the guy with the best corsair control in the game, ever, who routinely does what no other protoss can do with them just needs to stop being so bad with his corsairs? i think what you meant to say is 'he needs to build more corsairs', but that is a completely different kettle of fish and comes with its own problems. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On October 14 2009 21:31 Shikyo wrote: Well, although ZvP seems quite imbalanced these days, I've got to say that the last game Shine played really, really well. Also, Bisu got too many goons I think. Shine played very well though, and this build is quite good and new as well... I think it's becoming the standard these days. Maybe Protoss are trying to play against it like the play against the normal straight Hydra build and it just doesn't work as well. whats the normal straight hydra build? this 3 hatch lair -> spire + den +2 hatches hydra pressure switch to muta HT sniping has been like every PvZ game i've watched for the last i dont know how long lol ~_~ | ||
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ATLAS-3.04
United States190 Posts
AND I AM ANGRY! So much for Starcraft being a perfectly balanced game... /fanboi rage Congrats to Shine, though. He deserves. I just hope he isn't a fluke. | ||
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