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[Q, spoiler] MSL jaedong vs hwasin game 3

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magusmind
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
50 Posts
June 28 2008 21:55 GMT
#1
In game 3, (Z)Jaedong cancels his 5th drone, which implies his 4-pool was a spur-of-the-moment thing. I thought at this level of game play, these players already have their builds prepared, timed, and practiced ahead of time.

Why build a drone then cancel it?
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
June 28 2008 21:57 GMT
#2
On June 29 2008 06:55 magusmind wrote:
In game 3, (Z)Jaedong cancels his 5th drone, which implies his 4-pool was a spur-of-the-moment thing. I thought at this level of game play, these players already have their builds prepared, timed, and practiced ahead of time.

Why build a drone then cancel it?


Why not?
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
June 28 2008 21:57 GMT
#3
they aren't robots. it was as you said, a spur-of-the-moment. they probably have tons of thoughts in their minds as they play, and since it was tied, he could afford to go risky one game.
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trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
June 28 2008 21:58 GMT
#4
At the beginning of the game he had a different plan in mind then he changed his strategy
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-28 23:14:19
June 28 2008 22:01 GMT
#5
no i heard in an interview from someone who did the same thing in a different 4 pool game (i think it was luxury?) that it is just a excitment thing for the fans. deleting your 1st drone egg doest impact or hurt the 4 pool at all but its like a signal to the crowd that "im gonna 4 pool"

*EDIT* it was chojja

also these guys have their split and hitting S,D down to muscle memory at this point and its probable he might have just done his robotic split opening then deleted his 1st drone to do the 4 pool that he practiced.

assuming that he really did it spur-of-the-moment which i think is unlikely, it was still a smart reaction to the way hwasin had played in the first games with his super greedy delayed barracks. things like that keep him honest and also break his confidence

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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
June 28 2008 22:08 GMT
#6
Lmao, imo if Hwasin just pulled most of his SCVS to block his ramp he coulda easily survived -_- even if he did lose many SCVs, a 4 pool gives you like 0 economy.
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allowicious
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States972 Posts
June 28 2008 22:12 GMT
#7
On June 29 2008 07:01 Atrioc wrote:
no i heard in an interview from someone who did the same thing in a different 4 pool game (i think it was luxury?) that it is just a excitment thing for the fans. deleting your 1st drone egg doest impact or hurt the 4 pool at all but its like a signal to the crowd that "im gonna 4 pool"

also these guys have their split and hitting S,D down to muscle memory at this point and its probable he might have just done his robotic split opening then deleted his 1st drone to do the 4 pool that he practiced.

assuming that he really did it spur-of-the-moment which i think is unlikely, it was still a smart reaction to the way hwasin had played in the first games with his super greedy delayed barracks. things like that keep him honest and also break his confidence



I think that's the most probable cause. It just becomes a habit of making that first worker whenever your nexus/cc/hatchery comes up on screen.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 28 2008 22:36 GMT
#8
chojja did it for the fans
Jaedong
Ryshi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada361 Posts
June 28 2008 22:37 GMT
#9
I agree with Atrioc. An additional possible reason is that he would play standard on other positions except this one where he would 4pool (minerals, distances, patterns, etc.). I think if he was going to 4pool for all positions, he wouldn't actually pressed sd first because there is a slight chance of messing up your split if a drone gets stuck, although progamer level may be unlikely.
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Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
June 28 2008 22:38 GMT
#10
my vote would be for involuntary muscle reaction

i absolutely 100% always build my first drone and then cancel if i'm 4pooling. i can't NOT do it. my hands are too used to it :[
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7827 Posts
June 28 2008 22:47 GMT
#11
It is just to surprise fans
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-28 23:59:19
June 28 2008 23:58 GMT
#12
I read somewhere that the part of your brain used for sc is memory based, not thought based. Meaning you respond based upon your memory, your sub conscious drives what you do, less thinking more doing. At least on the higher levels this is true. So, one can come up with two things:

1) Jaedong always intended to 4pool, but it was his brain misfiring a few signals and he accidentally added a fifth drone.
2) Jaedong was not focusing properly and decided to risk a 4 pool, to see if he could throw Hwasin off and crush him in the future. Kind of a mental battle.
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
June 29 2008 00:03 GMT
#13
jd is a baller.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 29 2008 00:08 GMT
#14
I always end up saying "ok I'm 4pooling this one kekeke", then I make the drone and end up 5pooling instead.

What a sad story
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LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
June 29 2008 01:57 GMT
#15
It was probably just out of habit. Zerg players always hit s+d then select their drone to go mine, selecting drones without building one goes against every other game.
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
June 29 2008 02:28 GMT
#16
Somebody suggested in the other thread that he did it to improve the timing of when the larva for his 4th pair of zerglings would arrive. Somebody want to test it out?
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
June 29 2008 02:29 GMT
#17
On June 29 2008 09:03 Raithed wrote:
jd is a baller.

illeszt
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States350 Posts
June 29 2008 02:32 GMT
#18
On June 29 2008 11:28 Polemarch wrote:
Somebody suggested in the other thread that he did it to improve the timing of when the larva for his 4th pair of zerglings would arrive. Somebody want to test it out?



Yea I read about this in the match thread, someone said they tested it out and it worked, but I'm still highly doubtful of it.
tracer
Profile Joined March 2008
Korea (South)693 Posts
June 29 2008 08:36 GMT
#19
On June 29 2008 11:32 illeszt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2008 11:28 Polemarch wrote:
Somebody suggested in the other thread that he did it to improve the timing of when the larva for his 4th pair of zerglings would arrive. Somebody want to test it out?



Yea I read about this in the match thread, someone said they tested it out and it worked, but I'm still highly doubtful of it.


Impossible. The third larva would pop out FAR before the spawning pool is ever finished, making it exactly the same as if you had never canceled the egg. Whether you cancel or not, you would still have 3 idle larva when the spawning pool is done. The fourth larva would come at the same time.
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
June 29 2008 08:43 GMT
#20
when u start a game u make a peon and send the peons to the minerals.
so i think that it was just like a reflex or something
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
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