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Flash's ZvT 3hatch build

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Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines535 Posts
July 19 2022 18:58 GMT
#1


I've seen flash do this 3h build and though in the game he lost because half his lings were out of position to defend the MM stim timing, it seems to solve all of 3h's modern weaknesses; 1/1/1 and +1 5rax. Basically flash does a 3hatch build with the third hatch at a new main, similar to ZvP openings but taking a new main instead of a new nat.

1/1/1 is countered since he gets hydra den at 4:30, which means hydras will be on time do defend first wraith. From there, IMO 3 base zerg easily out-ecos 1/1/1.

+1 5 rax is countered because you will have 2 lurks on the ramp of your third base 2 minutes before +1 5 rax stim/range power spikes kicks in. The strength of +1 5 rax comes from +1 MM with stim+range taking over around 7:00, making it incredibly hard to safely get a 3rd gas base up and running. But in this build, flash solves it by taking the 3rd gas early.

Might be vulnerable to timings like 1rax fast acad stim timing, or standard 2 rax stim timing, but the third base gives you extra income that you should be able to afford more defense than usual. Don't know why I haven't seen more top level zergs try to develop the build, it seems to me like it has meta-defining potential.
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Aeternum
Profile Joined July 2015
Latvia35 Posts
July 19 2022 20:27 GMT
#2
This made me recall Calm playing 3h zvt quite a bit a while back and this game in ASL 7 vs Last
youtu.be

I suspect just like in zvp not having the spire makes u quite weak vs drops, + due to the early game pressure from terran its quite easy to overmake lings and/or not have enough sunkens vs 1st bio moveout, so to 3h or not is prob a very map specific decision.

Also seeing how top level zergs have been using variations of 2.5 h and controlling the midgame with tons of muta+ling, it seems that muta+ling is just more stable= u can use the same composition to surround moveouts/ threaten counters/ catch drops e.t.c
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jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica72 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-22 14:20:45
July 22 2022 13:57 GMT
#3
On July 20 2022 03:58 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
Don't know why I haven't seen more top level zergs try to develop the build, it seems to me like it has meta-defining potential.



That's because soma happened changing the meta more than once already.. other z's follow.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-23 05:06:09
July 23 2022 05:01 GMT
#4
Most likely Flash's preference for hydras over mutas is due to not having perfect muta micro. And maybe also his amusing take on PvZ (that epic stream where he was next to Bisu getting hydra-busted over and over again, and Flash quips "hydra good unit").

That said, Flash did show some good muta micro as random in the ASL. I recall him taking ZvZ games off Larva or even Soma? And his reaver control in PvP really astounded the pros (there's yet another epic compilation video of pros going WTF watching Flash's reaver one-shotting a row of probes).

Would be cool if Flash off-races more after returning from military. He has shown a deeper game sense that transcends races. Given time and passion, he would be able to unlock timings and builds in all matchups never quite explored before. Simply a joy to have Flash back on the scene!

P.S. Also, maybe this particular build fits in more naturally with his Terran style of turtling with turrets. I can imagine Flash thinking that hydras are super imba because they can function both as defence against drops and main attacking force.
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Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines535 Posts
July 23 2022 22:28 GMT
#5
It's a shame we never got a full ZvT game of Flash using this build, to see where he takes this opening... Unless anyone has a link to more videos of Flash's Zerg using this build?
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica72 Posts
July 24 2022 01:56 GMT
#6
Zergs do 2 and 2.5 hatch now for reasons.
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