• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:13
CEST 22:13
KST 05:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou7Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four0BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET6Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)80
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" DreamHack Open 2013 revealed The New Patch Killed Mech! Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 INu's Battles #13 - ByuN vs Zoun Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $1,200 WardiTV October (Oct 21st-31st)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers
Brood War
General
The Lose More Card Is there anyway to get a private coach? BW General Discussion BSL Season 21 OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24
Tourneys
300$ 3D!Community Brood War Super Cup #4 [ASL20] Semifinal B Azhi's Colosseum - Anonymous Tournament [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Current Meta Roaring Currents ASL final [I] TvZ Strategies and Builds [I] TvP Strategies and Build
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Series you have seen recently... Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
The Heroism of Pepe the Fro…
Peanutsc
Rocket League: Traits, Abili…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1387 users

Brood War Strategy Central

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Normal
Isto
Profile Joined September 2020
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-04 08:30:34
October 04 2020 07:55 GMT
#1
I have been getting this feeling that few people grasp this game as deeply as i do, and i want to give people opportunity to gain advantage of my wisdom regarding this game.

I will say that there probably are not any problems regarding this game that i cannot find a solution for you. So ask me anything relating to starcraft strategy, unit compositions or what to do in some situation and i probably have a solution for you.

So post here or use private message.

User was banned for this post.
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-04 08:56:33
October 04 2020 08:19 GMT
#2
Sounds kinda narcissistic. Pretty sure i know more than you :D

Edit: Please share the deep knowledge publically so we all can have use of it. A wise man would serve the people not the individual.

Edit2: I'll edit this post so you dont feel its spammy in your thread as you requested in your last post.

Mind telling what specific areas of knowledge you possess of StarCraft that you have a feeling others on TL dont?

Its difficult to ask a question when there is this thread https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/220903-simple-questions-simple-answers that could answer it in similar fashion. Having two QnA threads (confusing), this would have to be very specific on what areas of StarCraft to address.

Is it pure numbers? Insight into game files?

-.-
Isto
Profile Joined September 2020
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-04 09:46:51
October 04 2020 08:31 GMT
#3
I will answer to this thread on posts and as private message on them.

If that is so, you can of course help me on this, giving alternative solutions on any possible problems that people might post in here but if things get too hectic, i will post my solution on this thread as well as on private message to the person who asked help on their problem.

I would rather want to keep this thread on topic, but i will give you a solution to a problem in your post. You go to other persons thread saying that the person sounds narcissist and then tell that you are better.

--

More likely nobody will ask anything. I meant if there are going to be lots of unrelated posts.

Maybe this is more like i thrive to give a simple answer for complicated questions.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-04 20:07:33
October 04 2020 20:06 GMT
#4
Can you give me one good build vs every race as P that wouldn't be map dependent? (I mean no islands ofc)

Also, still for P, what would be the things to look for when you scout? What timings/buildings are you looking for, is there something that triggers you to attack for example etc (well mostly pvt pvz for this obviously)

Thanks

Edit: 2v2 (not iron curtain) zp vs zt/zz/tp builds/tips?
Horang2 fan
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada421 Posts
October 04 2020 23:11 GMT
#5
how do i mineral boost SCVs? what mineral patches can be boosted on current ladder maps?
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
TL+ Member
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10682 Posts
October 04 2020 23:56 GMT
#6
On October 05 2020 08:11 tankgirl wrote:
how do i mineral boost SCVs? what mineral patches can be boosted on current ladder maps?

???
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada421 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-05 00:54:35
October 05 2020 00:14 GMT
#7
On October 05 2020 08:56 TelecoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2020 08:11 tankgirl wrote:
how do i mineral boost SCVs? what mineral patches can be boosted on current ladder maps?

???

https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/530231-mineral-boosting
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
TL+ Member
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10218 Posts
October 05 2020 06:02 GMT
#8
Terran has a floating building and one wraith. I have one drone, one defiler, a hatchery, a spire, extractor, and various overlords and a few zerglings with some minerals in the bank but no gas. How do I win?
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
Isto
Profile Joined September 2020
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-05 08:45:00
October 05 2020 06:17 GMT
#9
WGT-Baal i might have answer for that later. I have to think about it.

For rest i do not want to have an answer.

-

The scouting and attacking is obvious. Always attack as a protoss, if you notice something you cannot fare pull back but never hold your units in your main more than you have to. If the opponent does not rush and you do not have to defend do it so yourself.

That one build is probably race dependent, pretty standard stuff.

Against zerg corsairs, later upgrade disruption web and move to reaver storm.

Against terran dragoons with range at first, later move to hallucination (do not research storm) templars / stasis and lots of gateway units. If for some reason the opponent goes bio do not still research storm, but produce reavers instead as you already need an observer. If the game drags on, then research storm and against bio you need no hallucination so no templars until then. The right way to use hallucination + stasis is first to do hallucinations of archons and / or zealots and then use stasis to divide the army when attacking with hallucinations and only then with main army. The halucinations are sent with two to three waves within short time period, then the main army is sent in one wave. Use all your energy, then morph to archons and produce more. This is an efficient way to break siege positions against terran mech play. Why people do not use this strategy i do not know, but this is something like 20 years old style and is maybe forgotten. This style was used in Starcraft FIN-1 before launch of Brood War. Same goes for disruption web too, used in a right way is almost as dominant as swarm and were common in Starcraft FIN-1 after launch of Brood War. It is also possible these strategies were never used outside Starcraft FIN-1. In my opinion, both of these strategies are usable even now and are the most efficient, so do these every time. If you want, you can mix some carriers against terran but is not necessary. To win terran (mech) you only need 4 units, Zealot (speed), Dargoon (range), Templar (hallucination + archon), Arbiter (stasis). Even observer is not necessary but will be good. Terran will most likely also use 4 units, Vulture (Mines + Speed), Tank (Siege Mode), Goliath (Range) and Science Vessel (EMP). Watch out for Science Vessel the most as it can really ruin you, prioritize targeting them over anything else. Efficient way to use templars is wait for 200 energy, do 4 hallucinations and go to archon. Two templars (100/300) produces 8 hallucinated archons and 1 archon. When sending hallucinations always mix in with zealots as archons do not trigger or drag mines. Send all archons in the first wave. Use split and surrounding if possible.

Against other protoss dragoon + reaver. Remember observer or cannon (Dark Templar). There is not much going on here except you can lose to DT or Zealot rush and the one who succeeds with Reaver usually wins. Same goes for pvz, not much to say except remember web as you have corsairs already. Web is especially good against lurkers and static defence but can even be spammed on top of hydras in similar way than storm but against hydras always prioritize storm.

If you want to practice something specific practice reaver + shuttle and dragoon micro (pulling the injured ones back and focus fire).


Still, i will think about this more. If i have some vision of one build against all races i will post it here as this is a good and interesting question. This will probably resolve around gateway units and reavers.

I will also think about 2v2 builds. For this, i have limited experience.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2040 Posts
October 05 2020 07:45 GMT
#10
The hero we didn't know that we needed but were blessed with anyways. You have my vote for the 1st strategist of the foreign scene.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
October 05 2020 08:12 GMT
#11
What is your mmr?
Isto
Profile Joined September 2020
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-05 09:05:31
October 05 2020 08:38 GMT
#12
Well thank you.

I do not play. I used to and like observing more. Nowdays only observe and back in the days i played Use Map Settings more.

I am not that good player myself. I was "good" before replays and won mostly with strategic approach but after replays people got better at macro and the micro oriented players started to reign. You really cannot do anything in this game against players who are better at mechanics, they can win doing only one unit and you still have no change. Strategy matters the most when both players have similar skill.

I could give you prefect strategy but if you cannot execute it correctly or are bad with mechanics it wont help.

The approach i have given you is the most efficient regardless do you appreciate it or not.

I was also quite correct for this thread having a lot of unrelated posts. You are flaming this on purpose from anyone else who might want to accoplish something through this.

This is probably what people call trolling, trying to drag others to mud with them.

The MMR message was also foreseen, it is a must that when people talk about strategy someone must say that. The follow up is that you challenge and if you beat the other or use violence you can prove your point. It is that primitive, but it always happens.

Brood War i am not use of, but at least in Starcraft 2 no matter what the race is, the race is overpowered. It always changes according to the race that wins.

kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2040 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-05 10:36:51
October 05 2020 10:33 GMT
#13
Well I think you have to be at least little bit realistic with your strategies.

From my view mass reaver is the strongest strategy in every match up because reavers have absurdly strong attack, yet it is not possible to control or play with more than 4 reavers as you cannot micro / control them correctly.

Same is with some of your advices, theorycrafting is one thing, real games is another thing.

Also you oversimplify concepts that are deeply reasearched and tested making the game look like it's about making unit A that wins unit B.. (while in reality any unit can beat any unit depending on amount, position and specific moment in the game..)
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Isto
Profile Joined September 2020
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-05 11:12:59
October 05 2020 10:40 GMT
#14
Those strategies are from real games.

There might be some replays but not available at the moment.

They really do work and really are most efficient, and totally realistic.

You do not have enough experience on this matter to say those things.

Still, the dragging to mud continues. Nothing is gained from this but me dragging myself to mud when continuing to discuss with those kind of things.

The strategies are given, behold and try to use them or not.

Other questions are accepted and i will come back to some topics in the first question later if i can feel that i come up with an answer that amounts to anything. I will only give answers i am sure of and those things i wrote before i am sure because of my own gaming experience and successful use of those strategies. The success in real games is the reason i wrote those things.

If there will be 2v2 staregies, they will be hypothetical. I do not have experience that allows me to say anything on that subject. The same goes for a possibility of "the one build" in brood war, which i think might be more of the case in starcraft 2.

I am seriously starting to dislike most of the people in this forum. The motivation to help you is diminishing. It is quite possible that some of the strategies that indeed seem hidden to the public will not be given because of how you people act. Lots of people with Bad Manners.

You say glhf in your game and come here acting like shit and drag others down.

Then you say gg and go ruin things for everyone. So "Good Luck and Have Fun" "Good Game" and then go give shit to people.

I will ask for moderators a permission to delete posts in this thread. We need some kind of shit filter here. Are people really feeling that bad ?

Why is people doing this in internet, do you go to the public in so called "real life" and give shit to random people you see on the street ? Probably not.

Or maybe you are being given shit in the real life and you feel good coming here to give me shit. Stop it. I mean it.

Post only appropriate posts in this thread and go give shit to your parents or something.


Actually i just made a decision, you people piss me off so much that i will not give you any more of this.

This thread is closed and the given strategies will be the last.

I will also not explain thing any further, you will have to find any answers regarding this on your own.

So you succeeded on your shit. Your shit storm strategy was successful, it could only be more successful that i delete those posts.

So go ahead searching finnish underground strategies from time before replays. Good luck with that.

Ask me Terran strategies, there wont be any. Ask me ZERG strategies there are not any.


Actually im done with this forum, this will be my last post here as you people affect negatively on my psyche and that is more important than writing in here in a motivation to help other people.

People here are so bad mannered and give too much shit.

So no more posts.


I will now change my password so that i do not myself anymore have it so everything i have wrote will stay as it is and there will never be more letters than this.



MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
October 05 2020 12:00 GMT
#15
@Isto - This was about what i was expecting from you. You get any contradiction to your knowledge and then you give up trying to ban yourself from TL. Its silly.
-.-
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
October 05 2020 13:31 GMT
#16
I wonder what ever happened to eggy. That guy was working so hard for so long.
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
October 05 2020 16:00 GMT
#17
that almost lasted a full three hours
im kind of disappointed
so much stuff i would've put into the nomak guides

: (
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-05 19:07:39
October 05 2020 19:02 GMT
#18
well I tried ^^

edit: can we archive this thread though I mean it s pure gold
Horang2 fan
radley
Profile Joined August 2008
Poland582 Posts
October 05 2020 23:58 GMT
#19
"Terran will most likely also use 4 units, Vulture (Mines + Speed), Tank (Siege Mode), Goliath (Range) and Science Vessel (EMP)". That dude had no clue about real terran strategies. Terran needs only vultures.
TL+ Member
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2040 Posts
October 06 2020 07:58 GMT
#20
On October 06 2020 08:58 radley wrote:
"Terran will most likely also use 4 units, Vulture (Mines + Speed), Tank (Siege Mode), Goliath (Range) and Science Vessel (EMP)". That dude had no clue about real terran strategies. Terran needs only vultures.


I mean where is GHOST?!
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1201 Posts
October 06 2020 22:15 GMT
#21
if only this was a blog post. He wouldn't have been banned
Flash should fear Sacsri
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10218 Posts
October 06 2020 22:16 GMT
#22
On October 07 2020 07:15 art_of_turtle wrote:
if only this was a blog post. He wouldn't have been banned

no, his post history seems very suspect. probs would've been banned anyways me thinks.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
October 07 2020 16:28 GMT
#23
I, for one, will miss Isto's creation of new threads. It was quite surprising to me, when I searched the user, the amount of threads he was responsible for creating. The quality is all over the place and some of the assertions quite mind-boggling (for a person who claims to not actually play). Hopefully he's able to learn some humility from his experience at TL.

"He who knows best knows how little he knows." - Thomas Jefferson

The US Navy SEALs' insignia features an eagle with a head lowered because "humility is the true measure of a warrior's strength." - UDT (SEAL) Museum plaque explaining their insignia.
twitch.tv/duttroach
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
October 09 2020 12:54 GMT
#24
He should come back and fight for his beliefs! Isto come back! Not a joke.
-.-
[AS]Rattus
Profile Joined March 2017
427 Posts
October 11 2020 08:58 GMT
#25
is WaterserpentM still around?
Amazonic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden239 Posts
October 30 2020 18:34 GMT
#26
This has to be the most incredible thread I've read on TL. Loved every second of it.
"Amazing how something so simple as a fat person and gravity can be so amusing. Classic!"
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 48m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Clem_sc2 744
mouzHeroMarine 607
UpATreeSC 116
JuggernautJason42
Railgan 32
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 17579
Shuttle 416
EffOrt 409
Mini 222
Dewaltoss 99
Aegong 29
scan(afreeca) 21
NaDa 12
Dota 2
Gorgc4962
monkeys_forever24
Counter-Strike
fl0m1244
pashabiceps535
byalli335
Stewie2K270
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu434
Other Games
Grubby2659
FrodaN1396
ScreaM819
B2W.Neo660
ToD155
KnowMe131
Skadoodle131
C9.Mang0112
Pyrionflax111
ArmadaUGS93
Trikslyr71
QueenE42
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL334
Other Games
BasetradeTV51
StarCraft 2
angryscii 38
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 13
• Reevou 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota246
League of Legends
• TFBlade960
Other Games
• imaqtpie1229
• Shiphtur180
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
3h 48m
Replay Cast
13h 48m
OSC
19h 48m
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1d 2h
The PondCast
1d 13h
OSC
1d 15h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Online Event
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Soma
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.