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1350 MMR Terran USWest: Cheesed 6 games in a row - Page 2

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Terrifyer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States338 Posts
April 06 2020 03:24 GMT
#21
On April 05 2020 09:33 oshibori_probe wrote:
Reminds me of the D ranks on iccup way back when. There was this initial hazing where you would get rushed by Peruvians until you got to C-.

Good luck to you OP.


Peru pumped out some top foreign players...but i would love to just see peruvians play against eachother in general...the games must be so fun/funny. I hate being this stereotypical but i always scout cross spawns whenever i play vs someone from peru lol.
eat shit and die
srj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada134 Posts
April 06 2020 05:24 GMT
#22
On April 05 2020 09:33 oshibori_probe wrote:
Reminds me of the D ranks on iccup way back when. There was this initial hazing where you would get rushed by Peruvians until you got to C-.

Good luck to you OP.


This is exactly my experience getting back into BW. If wins are what you're after it's a frustrating experience, and I can see why other people in E/F resort to cheese for wins. But if you're looking to improve, pick a safe opening for each matchup, keep executing it, and eventually your mechanics and execution will improve and you'll rise above the cheese.
sadego
Profile Joined September 2019
10 Posts
April 08 2020 01:06 GMT
#23
Until you get above 2000 MMR you'll play very few games against players who don't either use cheesy builds or cheesy micro tactics.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1399 Posts
April 08 2020 02:18 GMT
#24
^ BS
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-08 05:01:20
April 08 2020 05:00 GMT
#25
I am surprised that lots of people helped with in depth comments, instead of just telling him to be less greedy (which would be solid advice of course).
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
April 08 2020 10:19 GMT
#26
How is this cheese? I mean is a terran opening 2 barracks of 2 factory now cheese? Is a macro fest a requirement for BW these days?

There's nothing cheese about 1 base openers in my opinion. I mean obviously the pros show that they are not really that great these days, but especially at lower lvls this should no be considered cheese imo. The game was played for years just like this.

Cheese is something like 4/5/6 pool or double proxy 9 gate or other all ins that are really do or die. These just sound like pretty common builds that are pretty solid against a poorly executed fast exp.
its me
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 08 2020 20:47 GMT
#27
Don't know if you are still around OP, or if you have seen this already but the first few minutes of the video here talks about scouting when 1rax FE in TvP. Flash instantly changes to bunker fac FE if he sees the P scout coming early which should help you in holding P cheese.

https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/558492-flash-and-nada-on-starcraft-hotkeys-ect
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3126 Posts
April 09 2020 00:33 GMT
#28
On April 09 2020 05:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Don't know if you are still around OP, or if you have seen this already but the first few minutes of the video here talks about scouting when 1rax FE in TvP. Flash instantly changes to bunker fac FE if he sees the P scout coming early which should help you in holding P cheese.

https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/558492-flash-and-nada-on-starcraft-hotkeys-ect


That doesnt sound right, can you timestamp it?
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1399 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-09 02:09:58
April 09 2020 02:09 GMT
#29
On April 09 2020 09:33 puppykiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2020 05:47 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Don't know if you are still around OP, or if you have seen this already but the first few minutes of the video here talks about scouting when 1rax FE in TvP. Flash instantly changes to bunker fac FE if he sees the P scout coming early which should help you in holding P cheese.

https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/558492-flash-and-nada-on-starcraft-hotkeys-ect


That doesnt sound right, can you timestamp it?


Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-09 06:00:45
April 09 2020 05:55 GMT
#30
This is the bad part of this game. Because it is very old, if you have just entered online gaming, you must endure a year suffering to start paying somewhat decent. And in any case, top-tier non-Korean tournament prize pool is about $10k, and top-tier tournament including Korean ASL is $50k. Adding to that, a year is nearly not enough for a newcomer to qualify for ASL, even playing 14/6.

For this reason it is highly likely a newcomer will try himself somewhere else.

But a solid advice will be: "watch reps, write down peon-based timings, try to repeat".
On a higher skill, synchronize peon timing with a clock timing, to ensure you do everything in time.
patyrykin.net
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2142 Posts
April 09 2020 18:50 GMT
#31
Getting down production mechanics to a good level can get you really far. Constant worker production, constant army production and never supply blocking yourself. Then you can start doing all this while scouting. And then develop from here.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States879 Posts
April 09 2020 19:53 GMT
#32
On April 05 2020 04:06 Jealous wrote:
> Pick a greedy build.
> Surprised that you get rushed.

Lol. Aggro > Greedy > Safe/Standard > Aggro. It's a strategy game.

Not quite. If you do it perfectly, you can hold any all-in.

Which is of course for someone rated 1350 I suggest to practice their fake double build behind a wall-in. Because you won't micro vs. zealot pressure well, you won't read all the all-ins well, etc. so better do your own pressure and find out what the opponent is doing while setting up mines

that is not to say that rax FE is actually very easy to break, it isn't - you have the ability to repair with 16 SCVs, you know, the workers with 60 HP that also attack faster than other workers if they need to
Models
Profile Joined March 2019
Canada88 Posts
April 10 2020 02:38 GMT
#33
On April 05 2020 00:01 ImTerribleAtBW wrote:
I honestly want to quit this game. I play Terran and I've literally been 1-base allin-ed 6 consecutive games. I use 1-rax expand in every match-up, here's what I faced:

-3 gate goon allin
-2 gates forward at their wallin, zealots
-1 base reaver drop, scouted it last on 4 player map
-mass speedlings behind sunken, couldn't scout it, no drones made past 9
-2 hatch muta multiple games

What am I supposed to do? I can't even make a tank or a mine in ANY of these games. I'm getting cheesed out before I can do anything. It's honestly infuriating and depressing that I can't get anything resembling a non-allin stomp.



why are you expanding at all if this is the case? 1 base more fun anyway and it sounds like u ain't having fun
this guy was SO BAD that you could not predict what he was going to do
JustTooJuicy
Profile Joined June 2018
36 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-10 02:39:27
April 10 2020 02:38 GMT
#34
Yo ImTerribleAtBW, I'm a new player myself and keep getting cheesed lol! Lets play some games together and we'll promise not to cheese each other
CadenZie
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)545 Posts
April 10 2020 02:39 GMT
#35
dont trust the juice
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