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MuNi
Profile Joined July 2009
United States72 Posts
February 12 2017 06:09 GMT
#21
The idea that any match up is easiest to master is absurd. The best and most perfect elements of BW are that in which it is a game that is impossible to master. Also, everyone has their strengths. One could say Bisu "mastered" pvz and that his pvt leaves something to be desired compared to that of Stork or Reach. Every person has the ability to play their best under a myriad of circumstances, but to master a match up or BW in general is another story.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
February 12 2017 17:58 GMT
#22
On February 12 2017 15:09 MuNi wrote:
The idea that any match up is easiest to master is absurd. The best and most perfect elements of BW are that in which it is a game that is impossible to master. Also, everyone has their strengths. One could say Bisu "mastered" pvz and that his pvt leaves something to be desired compared to that of Stork or Reach. Every person has the ability to play their best under a myriad of circumstances, but to master a match up or BW in general is another story.

Anyone saying "Bisu's PvT leaves something to be desired compared to that of Stork or Reach" should do a reality check :D
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 13 2017 14:25 GMT
#23
On February 13 2017 02:58 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 15:09 MuNi wrote:
The idea that any match up is easiest to master is absurd. The best and most perfect elements of BW are that in which it is a game that is impossible to master. Also, everyone has their strengths. One could say Bisu "mastered" pvz and that his pvt leaves something to be desired compared to that of Stork or Reach. Every person has the ability to play their best under a myriad of circumstances, but to master a match up or BW in general is another story.

Anyone saying "Bisu's PvT leaves something to be desired compared to that of Stork or Reach" should do a reality check :D

I am a huge Bisu fan, and there is no doubt his PvT during his golden years was a lot worse than Storks. Bisu did absolutely demolish PvT in the last few years of proleague, but I remember vividly the frustration of watching him give away games/series in PvT during the 06-10 era. Thinking back its actually really weird that he wasnt better, his early/mid game PvT was phenomenal, but his late game was always "bad". So many games he was well ahead, before he did one of his classic suicide his entire army into a Terran wall into a loss. He was also always bad at playing carriers for some reason (something Stork excelled at). If Bisu had Storks lategame decision making and large army control he would have a lot more Starleagues to his name I believe.
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WhiteKnight.US
Profile Joined May 2014
Great Britain102 Posts
February 13 2017 20:56 GMT
#24
I posted this thread and Testie comes back to BW.
Poly_Optimize
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada156 Posts
February 14 2017 02:00 GMT
#25
On February 14 2017 05:56 WhiteKnight.US wrote:
I posted this thread and Testie comes back to BW.

Now you should post thread about Grrr, Mondragon, Draco and White-Ra, just to name a few
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10360 Posts
February 14 2017 03:09 GMT
#26
On February 14 2017 05:56 WhiteKnight.US wrote:
I posted this thread and Testie comes back to BW.

Now you should stop posting threads.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-18 08:27:28
February 18 2017 08:26 GMT
#27
On February 13 2017 23:25 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2017 02:58 Piste wrote:
On February 12 2017 15:09 MuNi wrote:
The idea that any match up is easiest to master is absurd. The best and most perfect elements of BW are that in which it is a game that is impossible to master. Also, everyone has their strengths. One could say Bisu "mastered" pvz and that his pvt leaves something to be desired compared to that of Stork or Reach. Every person has the ability to play their best under a myriad of circumstances, but to master a match up or BW in general is another story.

Anyone saying "Bisu's PvT leaves something to be desired compared to that of Stork or Reach" should do a reality check :D

I am a huge Bisu fan, and there is no doubt his PvT during his golden years was a lot worse than Storks. Bisu did absolutely demolish PvT in the last few years of proleague, but I remember vividly the frustration of watching him give away games/series in PvT during the 06-10 era. Thinking back its actually really weird that he wasnt better, his early/mid game PvT was phenomenal, but his late game was always "bad". So many games he was well ahead, before he did one of his classic suicide his entire army into a Terran wall into a loss. He was also always bad at playing carriers for some reason (something Stork excelled at). If Bisu had Storks lategame decision making and large army control he would have a lot more Starleagues to his name I believe.


From the 6 dragons Bisus PvT is one of the worst.
Best is one of the best vs terran, but he is rather appalling vs zerg.
If you would combine Bisus PvZ with Bests PvT and Storks buildorders then we would get a perfect toss.
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
February 18 2017 08:41 GMT
#28
Now let's stop living in the past ok? Broodwar is back.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1149 Posts
February 19 2017 08:57 GMT
#29
On February 18 2017 17:26 LastWish wrote:
From the 6 dragons Bisus PvT is one of the worst.
Best is one of the best vs terran, but he is rather appalling vs zerg.
If you would combine Bisus PvZ with Bests PvT and Storks buildorders then we would get a perfect toss.

If you combine Flash's TvZ with Flash's TvP and Flash's build orders we would get a perfect Terran
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
February 19 2017 09:26 GMT
#30
On February 19 2017 17:57 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2017 17:26 LastWish wrote:
From the 6 dragons Bisus PvT is one of the worst.
Best is one of the best vs terran, but he is rather appalling vs zerg.
If you would combine Bisus PvZ with Bests PvT and Storks buildorders then we would get a perfect toss.

If you combine Flash's TvZ with Flash's TvP and Flash's build orders we would get a perfect Terran


I see what you did there.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7012 Posts
February 19 2017 11:46 GMT
#31
On February 19 2017 18:26 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2017 17:57 iopq wrote:
On February 18 2017 17:26 LastWish wrote:
From the 6 dragons Bisus PvT is one of the worst.
Best is one of the best vs terran, but he is rather appalling vs zerg.
If you would combine Bisus PvZ with Bests PvT and Storks buildorders then we would get a perfect toss.

If you combine Flash's TvZ with Flash's TvP and Flash's build orders we would get a perfect Terran


I see what you did there.

the result is? + Show Spoiler +
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2358 Posts
February 22 2017 21:44 GMT
#32
is always funny to me how overrated american players are, except for Nony, Frozen and Idra at some point, all the others were crappy compared to Testie/Mondi/Draco
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28876 Posts
February 22 2017 22:22 GMT
#33
Frozen? Is that FroZ?
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EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1605 Posts
February 23 2017 14:09 GMT
#34
Assem, Rekrul, Day9 and Froz were all pretty damn good too.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10360 Posts
February 23 2017 14:53 GMT
#35
On February 23 2017 23:09 EndingLife wrote:
Assem, Rekrul, Day9 and Froz were all pretty damn good too.

What about Legionnaire
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1605 Posts
February 23 2017 20:14 GMT
#36
On February 23 2017 23:53 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 23:09 EndingLife wrote:
Assem, Rekrul, Day9 and Froz were all pretty damn good too.

What about Legionnaire

Leg was pretty good too. Thought he was talking about US players tho
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
February 25 2017 14:48 GMT
#37
I think Froz was one level above the others.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28876 Posts
February 25 2017 16:48 GMT
#38
Nony and Idra both had higher peak levels (both in terms of absolute and relative skill) than Froz. Froz might well have been one of the most naturally gifted players (of anyone), but he never dedicated his life to brood war in the way the aforementioned two players did.

Froz was something special though. Managed to trick lots of people, including top nonkoreans, into believing that he was actually Nada smurfing.
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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4113 Posts
March 09 2017 12:45 GMT
#39
On February 26 2017 01:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Froz was something special though. Managed to trick lots of people, including top nonkoreans, into believing that he was actually Nada smurfing.


hahaha, lolwut?!

Lots of stories of smurfs in the past, right Eri?
Drone is a way of living
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28876 Posts
March 09 2017 13:00 GMT
#40
I think it was me, froz, veg and Raszi, maybe someone else, who smurfed as a korean proteam during the WGTour period where a lot of top koreans actaully did play WGTour. I dunno if me, veg or raszi really tricked anyone, and we picked lesser known names anyway, but Froz pretended to be Nada, and he was like 33-0 with 350 apm in every game, and I remember reading posts from top foreigners at the time thinking he was the real one. I don't even know if it was ever debunked.

This was like 13-14 years ago so I don't remember everything, but from quick googling we must have pretended to be Toona SG. Froz pretended to be Nada and I pretended to be Salmosa, our collective team stats were something like 100-3 (we all stopped playing before reaching higher ranks where it became more difficult).
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