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[S]ickle
Profile Joined June 2017
20 Posts
July 07 2017 17:45 GMT
#41
What is the difference between a Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack

versus

The 4 Gate, 2 Archon Build (aka The Bible Build)?

Seems like the same build to me.
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
July 08 2017 00:35 GMT
#42
On July 08 2017 02:45 [S]ickle wrote:
What is the difference between a Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack

versus

The 4 Gate, 2 Archon Build (aka The Bible Build)?

Seems like the same build to me.

Why did you necro a 4 year old thread to ask an unrelated question that you already asked elsewhere? What is this "Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack" you talk about, i.e., where is the BO?
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10671 Posts
July 08 2017 01:34 GMT
#43
Well written guide and very informative, thanks for sharing.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
[S]ickle
Profile Joined June 2017
20 Posts
July 08 2017 02:06 GMT
#44
On July 08 2017 09:35 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 02:45 [S]ickle wrote:
What is the difference between a Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack

versus

The 4 Gate, 2 Archon Build (aka The Bible Build)?

Seems like the same build to me.

Why did you necro a 4 year old thread to ask an unrelated question that you already asked elsewhere? What is this "Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack" you talk about, i.e., where is the BO?



I asked it here first as it was a clarification regarding OP. The "Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack". After a bit I reasked in the simple questions thread.

There is a wiki article on it i suppose ("Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack"), but I am referring to the build referred to in OP. It's the 2nd case after +1 sair/speedlots. Supposedly the opponent of Savior uses it in the video (52:00 video start time) so the BO is whatever he does I suppose.

There seems to be a difference since OP recommends 6hatch hydra response to "Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack" but staying on 3 bases as 5hatch hydra vs 4gate/2archon.
Shalashaska_123
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States142 Posts
July 08 2017 07:35 GMT
#45
On July 08 2017 11:06 [S]ickle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 09:35 EsX_Raptor wrote:
On July 08 2017 02:45 [S]ickle wrote:
What is the difference between a Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack

versus

The 4 Gate, 2 Archon Build (aka The Bible Build)?

Seems like the same build to me.

Why did you necro a 4 year old thread to ask an unrelated question that you already asked elsewhere? What is this "Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack" you talk about, i.e., where is the BO?



I asked it here first as it was a clarification regarding OP. The "Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack". After a bit I reasked in the simple questions thread.

There is a wiki article on it i suppose ("Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack"), but I am referring to the build referred to in OP. It's the 2nd case after +1 sair/speedlots. Supposedly the opponent of Savior uses it in the video (52:00 video start time) so the BO is whatever he does I suppose.

There seems to be a difference since OP recommends 6hatch hydra response to "Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack" but staying on 3 bases as 5hatch hydra vs 4gate/2archon.


Hello, [S]ickle.

The 4 Gate/2 Archon build skips the Stargate completely and leads to a timing attack that thwarts 6 Hatchery play. That's why I recommended staying on 5 Hatcheries against it. If Protoss opens with a Stargate, there is no such timing attack, and you can go to up to 8 Hatcheries safely.

Shalashaska_123
[S]ickle
Profile Joined June 2017
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-08 11:58:05
July 08 2017 11:52 GMT
#46
On July 08 2017 16:35 Shalashaska_123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2017 11:06 [S]ickle wrote:
On July 08 2017 09:35 EsX_Raptor wrote:
On July 08 2017 02:45 [S]ickle wrote:
What is the difference between a Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack

versus

The 4 Gate, 2 Archon Build (aka The Bible Build)?

Seems like the same build to me.

Why did you necro a 4 year old thread to ask an unrelated question that you already asked elsewhere? What is this "Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack" you talk about, i.e., where is the BO?



I asked it here first as it was a clarification regarding OP. The "Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack". After a bit I reasked in the simple questions thread.

There is a wiki article on it i suppose ("Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack"), but I am referring to the build referred to in OP. It's the 2nd case after +1 sair/speedlots. Supposedly the opponent of Savior uses it in the video (52:00 video start time) so the BO is whatever he does I suppose.

There seems to be a difference since OP recommends 6hatch hydra response to "Stargate Opening Into +1 Speedlot/Archon Attack" but staying on 3 bases as 5hatch hydra vs 4gate/2archon.


Hello, [S]ickle.

The 4 Gate/2 Archon build skips the Stargate completely and leads to a timing attack that thwarts 6 Hatchery play. That's why I recommended staying on 5 Hatcheries against it. If Protoss opens with a Stargate, there is no such timing attack, and you can go to up to 8 Hatcheries safely.

Shalashaska_123



I see. Well certainly if stargate is skipped, archons come out faster. I was just confused because you refer to 4gate/2archon it as the "bible build" which typically assumes building one corsair to scout before the timing attack occurs. The presence of the stargate is consistent with the video example of the build as well as the wiki article. The bible build guide ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/84601-pvz-4-gate-2-archon ) also makes a stargate in the core build. I think wc3jjj's guide on 3spire into 5hydra also assumes stargate before citadel. If they only make one corsair vs no stargate, the timings are only delays a little bit right. 6hatch is potentially still vulnerable.
[S]ickle
Profile Joined June 2017
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-08 11:56:28
July 08 2017 11:56 GMT
#47
Petr1
Profile Joined August 2018
4 Posts
August 10 2018 08:40 GMT
#48
Can somebody reupload those fpvods since there are no more at twitch.
Petr1
Profile Joined August 2018
4 Posts
August 10 2018 10:57 GMT
#49
Is there similar zvt zvz guide?
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