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hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
January 13 2013 08:05 GMT
#21
I have seen savior do this a lot.
One game I can think of is Savior vs Nada on Arkanoid or Arkanoid II in superfight.
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 11:12:35
January 13 2013 11:11 GMT
#22
On January 13 2013 01:18 fencer wrote:
Please supply a rep where this is done successfully at a decent level.


I'm B+. Is that good enough?

If it is, I'll just give you my next ZvT that goes to late game.

Edit: But I can't vouch for my opponent(s)
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
fencer
Profile Joined October 2011
122 Posts
January 13 2013 12:13 GMT
#23
Sure, please do.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
January 13 2013 13:30 GMT
#24
On January 13 2013 00:43 Gendi2545 wrote:
Sounds more dangerous than snakes on planes.

how could anybody miss this? LOL
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hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
January 13 2013 21:15 GMT
#25
Please supply a rep where this is done successfully at a decent level.

Hi please watch savior vs nada on arkanoid.
I am sure there are more examples.
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
January 14 2013 00:06 GMT
#26
It isn't useful at all. The only reason you would get drop late game ZvT at a decent level (higher than B+ /A-) is to drop defiler ling into a terrans main or as a response to a terran going mech. Crack ling defiler drops are very strong if the zerg has 4 bases behind him if you can temporarily shut down Terrans production or kill a significant amount of SCV's. But if you have the spare resources to do that you are probably playing from an advantage anyway.
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AFKing
Profile Joined January 2013
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 03:20:44
January 14 2013 03:20 GMT
#27
Couldn't you just get burrow, which is 100/100 cheaper, takes less overlord guessing, and can all be unburrowed instantly with 1 click?

I mean granted you have less mobility and they can still be sniped, but you can put overlords over the burrowed hole lol
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3454 Posts
January 14 2013 04:19 GMT
#28
On January 14 2013 12:20 AFKing wrote:
Couldn't you just get burrow, which is 100/100 cheaper, takes less overlord guessing, and can all be unburrowed instantly with 1 click?

I mean granted you have less mobility and they can still be sniped, but you can put overlords over the burrowed hole lol


But this is to prevent SV from irradiate your defilers. Burrow doesn't help, and how the hell can you charge the tank line when the defilers don't move lol.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3454 Posts
January 14 2013 04:39 GMT
#29
On January 14 2013 09:06 Piy wrote:
It isn't useful at all. The only reason you would get drop late game ZvT at a decent level (higher than B+ /A-) is to drop defiler ling into a terrans main or as a response to a terran going mech. Crack ling defiler drops are very strong if the zerg has 4 bases behind him if you can temporarily shut down Terrans production or kill a significant amount of SCV's. But if you have the spare resources to do that you are probably playing from an advantage anyway.


Once you get to late game ( which is about 50% of the time ) the zerg always want to get drop, because of the exact reasons that you stated above. Also it allows zergs to have a new attack path ( which sometimes is the only path. eg. T is taking his 4th on FS at the other main and has setup heavy artilery on high ground with wall-in ) and in late game 200/200 resource is not a whole lot. He did say that only use this trick at this stage of the game so saying "It's not useful at all" is pretty dumb.
AFKing
Profile Joined January 2013
128 Posts
January 14 2013 12:37 GMT
#30
On January 14 2013 13:19 vndestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 12:20 AFKing wrote:
Couldn't you just get burrow, which is 100/100 cheaper, takes less overlord guessing, and can all be unburrowed instantly with 1 click?

I mean granted you have less mobility and they can still be sniped, but you can put overlords over the burrowed hole lol


But this is to prevent SV from irradiate your defilers. Burrow doesn't help, and how the hell can you charge the tank line when the defilers don't move lol.


Burrowed defilers are harder to irradiate than unburrowed ones, since burrowed defilers look exactly like burrowed zerglings and are really hard to click >.<

Good point on tankline charging though
josemb40
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Peru611 Posts
January 14 2013 17:17 GMT
#31
i preffer burrowing them with some lings, the terran never clicks to check them
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ihufa
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark79 Posts
January 14 2013 18:36 GMT
#32
4 defilers in overlord, first one jumps out, plagues, consumes overlord (after other 3 are out) and plagues again!!
Then the 2nd defiler plagues, and consumes the first defiler!!! Then the 3rd does the same
8 plagues from 4 defilers and an overlord!!!!
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2006 Posts
January 24 2013 22:20 GMT
#33
I'd like to share a story of how a defiler in an overlord saved me from Terran death.

I was completely dominating the early/mid game, but right before my finishing move, Terran does the dreaded mech switch. (saving him from that moment and nearly winning him the game)

So I'm slowing his decent upon my main with whatever I have and I have 1 lone defiler left with just enough to swarm + run under it.

[image loading]

Suddenly I remember this thread and all the haters in here and I'm thinking, this is a chance to put a defiler in an overlord :D

Terran sees the defiler and places a mine, which nearly puts this whole effort in vain.

[image loading]

1 defiler dies as I unload 1 more!!!

[image loading]

And BOOM $$$ MONEY SHOT $$$

[image loading]

Defiler in overlord, saves lives.
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
February 03 2013 21:52 GMT
#34
Replay:

http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=52730

I suck, so beware. But at least it shows defilers in overlords.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5498 Posts
February 04 2013 07:27 GMT
#35
This is very useful if you have the APM to pull it off. I think this could also be useful in ZvP. Sometimes the Protoss will just move his entier army to snipe 1-2 overlords and that could be used to get of a money plague or two!
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 05:55:47
May 12 2013 05:47 GMT
#36
To all the naysayers: Killer just did this on stream vs SK Terran

One single defiler got past a massive cloud of vessels, protected inside the overlord, and then threw down a plague and a swarm on top of a bunch of marines. It was glorious.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
May 12 2013 11:43 GMT
#37
vod? i would love to see that.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
May 15 2013 17:41 GMT
#38
The only problem I could see is this requires the Zerg to be hyper aggressive. It you get engaged with Defilers in OVs you die.
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Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines655 Posts
May 15 2013 21:49 GMT
#39
how would you control this? would you put the overlord on separate command, like 0? or just have it with army? what about the defiler? does it need to be hotkeyed?
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 02:42:16
May 17 2013 00:59 GMT
#40
On May 16 2013 06:49 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
how would you control this? would you put the overlord on separate command, like 0? or just have it with army? what about the defiler? does it need to be hotkeyed?

Two hotkeys wireframe drop. Since its a spellcast you'd have to control click it to setup. You dont have to hot key the ov, but if you bring 2-3 overlords with your army, you need to remeber which one has the defilers.

Tried it the other day, I found that hotkeying the ov and defilers was better because you could easily get the defiler back inside. It did require a lot of wireframe clicking tho. Overall, I felt its not too viable as a staple, more of a gimmick trick, it was really hard to control all the defilers with the slow OV speeds and figuring out which ones had energy.
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