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goldrush, we are talking about FFAs now. Players don't "pressure you like they should" in FFA, because they might have other things to worry about. The concepts of 1v1 do not apply to FFA. It's okay to not read long threads, but at least say so in your post...
In the little mini-report of the FFA game that I described, perhaps the guy with the air army didn't have upgrades. I didn't check. Or perhaps it was because of the Guardians that he had - to fight other players, no doubt - which were obviously useless against my scouts, thus making his anti air army smaller? I'm not sure.
Actually, Drone, at my level of skill I have more trouble beating a balanced Terran with Zeals + Scouts. Tanks + Gols + Mines + Turrets are a beast, or even just massed Gols. I've never had problems with Zerg....perhaps they just forget to upgrade.
Also, Empyrean, I thought that Ensnare only lowered movement speed, not attack rate?
One last thing, Ack1027, I would like it if you would just discuss the strategy at hand, rather than insulting the other person repeatedly. It only makes you look rude and less intelligent, whether your reasoning is correct or not. ;(
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United States7873 Posts
Usually I'd agree, however, you don't know yourself the effects of zerg spells [ as this thread has proven ensnare/spores ] therefore you should learn more before about them before posting hypothetical questions.
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I'm not even going to read this. I hope this is like the zealots vs carriers joke... because if its not a joke.... you might as well give your bw cd to the needy because im sure they cna learn to play a bit better then you
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So Ensnare does lower attack rate? It doesn't say so at the battle.net guide, but it could be inaccurate...I didn't think that it did. Also, I did know that Devourers lowered armor and attack speed, but I also thought they lowered damage by 1(which is why I thought the spores effected Corsairs more than Scouts).
Also, I was basing my information off of the game that I described, not numbers. I've actually played several FFAs with Scouts, and have never lost them to other air units (meaning, that I have always won any air battle when I had the Scouts). Am I just way ahead in upgrades or what?
And Ack, I come here and ask questions, even about my own views sometimes (that's the best way to learn). It seems to me that you come here to prove other people wrong and laugh at them and say they have newbish minds, etc.
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United States7873 Posts
On December 28 2004 21:35 wakiki wrote:
And Ack, I come here and ask questions, even about my own views sometimes (that's the best way to learn). It seems to me that you come here to prove other people wrong and laugh at them and say they have newbish minds, etc.
If I did that I wouldn't be here as long as I have. Ask around, I help out as much as I can, but when someone makes threads/questions about some of the most basic fundamentals of bw, I have a hard time not laughing at them. Anyway, asking questions is fine but you're not really asking a question here. You are stating that Scout/Zeal is good and not asking if it would be good in any circumstance. Yeah, you came in and said Scout/Zeal owns ffa. Not many people really care about ffa, it's for fun, just like this strat. TeamLiquid strategy is where you learn to better yourself, if you came here to become better at FFA's, I'm quite sure there are millions of other strats our members can come up with that is better than Scout/Zeal.
I'm not going to lower my standards/expectations of TeamLiquid members just because you are relatively new.
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wakiki, u do have a newbish mind...
And if someone sees one guy expoing as much as you said, they would be beaten down cause no one likes a mass expander, not in ffa anyways? And I have played many FFAs on LANs with skilled friends, they dont look like the games you describe...
I'm pretty sure scout/zeal sucks dick in ffa too, tho I have never tried it and never will.
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Norway28916 Posts
devourers do affect sairs more than scouts, because the sairs are more affected by the slower attack rate than scouts are.
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On December 28 2004 13:26 evanthebouncy wrote:Sair>Scout cost wise.. k thx 36 sair vs 36 scout = sair won, got more question? beside, air stack means they are weak against: storm/archon/devour/corsair/plague/ even Dswarmed hydras will beat scouts... scout=underdog. 
This is not to mention that corsairs have better range. Thus even more scout ownage in greater numbers. Unless the corsairs were behind in upgrades. 
And since sairs are cheaper it should be more like 50 sairs vs 36 scouts.
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